LabattBlue Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) Come the offseason, cap only allows for one to be signed and assumes they will cost roughly the same $$$. Who do you want AJE or Floyd? Edited November 28, 2023 by LabattBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Floyd I like what AJE has turned into but Floyd has been an every game player. AJE turns up every 2 or 3. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Floyd will be one of the hottest names in FA. This is apples to organges. Maybe Von will do the right thing and retire so we can keep both. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Floyd. Yes, he’s older and not home grown, but he’s simply the better player. AJE has impressed me with pulling his career from the ashes, but he may be the beneficiary of an otherwise strong line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) AJE. I love Floyd, and really want to keep both, but he's too old to give big money if I have to choose just one. Learn our lesson from Von. 3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Floyd will be one of the hottest names in FA. This is apples to organges. Maybe Von will do the right thing and retire so we can keep both. This would screw us SO HARD on the cap. All of his dead money hits if he retires. The Bills would beg him to stay active and just not show up. It would save us like $9M. Edited November 28, 2023 by DrDawkinstein 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 AJE Love Floyd but he's getting older and as durable as he's been, the older a body gets the more susceptible to injury not becomes. I also think on the open market Floyd would get a much higher contract and would return a decent comp pick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KDIGGZ Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: This would screw us SO HARD on the cap. All of his dead money hits if he retires. The Bills would beg him to stay active and just not show up. It would save us like $15M. I don't understand how the cap works. I would have thought the guy walks away on his own then we don't have that hit but guess not. I was thinking too bad Beane can't make Von Assistant to the GM so he walks away but I guess that doesn't solve the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Floyd has a big void amount for next year that can be spread out if they resign him. Plus he is the better player. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I think they are both gunna get paid some big dollars elsewhere next year… Floyd came here to chase a ring on a “team friendly” deal… hasn’t exactly worked out … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: I don't understand how the cap works. I would have thought the guy walks away on his own then we don't have that hit but guess not. I was thinking too bad Beane can't make Von Assistant to the GM so he walks away but I guess that doesn't solve the problem I thought the same exact thing and was just schooled to the cap facts on this last week. I thought a retirement wipes out any dead money since the player is walking away. But nope, it counts the same as a cut or trade and escalates everything to an immediate dead cap hit. We would need Von to sign a completely new deal, retire on that, and then hire him as Asst to the Regional Manager. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Floyd will be one of the hottest names in FA. He had 9 sacks and 59 tackles for a team with few pass rushing opportunities last year and had to settle for less than $10M on a 1 year deal($7M to play with Bills)........but you think he will be one of the hottest names in FA going into his age 32 season? Seems doubtful. He might get a 1-2 year deal averaging $10M or so but he's not going to be in the category of one of "the hottest names". That is going to be reserved for deals worth $80M or more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: This looks oddly like what I'd expect my stat sheet to look like if I were a pro football defensive end. Ok, maybe not the solo tackle... But I could definitely get in on one assist. 😅 Edited November 28, 2023 by Yobogoya! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Floyd will be one of the hottest names in FA. This is apples to organges. Maybe Von will do the right thing and retire so we can keep both. That would not help us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 AJE can probably get done. We can give him a 3-4 year deal and play cap games with his contract. Floyd would likely be a 2 year deal, without that wiggle room .. and, unless he loves it here and is willing to take a discount, has likely played his way to a big pay day we can’t afford. We also need to get younger on defense and paying big money to Floyd for a 2 year deal isn’t helping that. Coming off injury, DaQuan Jones may be affordable. Re-sign him and AJE. Bring back Shaq for cheap. Von, Rousseau, AJE, Shaq, Jonathan Oliver, Jones Draft a WR early and then load up on DT’s and DB’s as we take a machete to the Secondary outside Douglas & Benford. Might not be popular, but letting Hyde walk, cutting Po, Tre & Johnson frees up about 18-19M, I believe. Add in 4M from cutting Harty and we’re close to what we need to get under the cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I thought the same exact thing and was just schooled to the cap facts on this last week. I thought a retirement wipes out any dead money since the player is walking away. But nope, it counts the same as a cut or trade and escalates everything to an immediate dead cap hit. We would need Von to sign a completely new deal, retire on that, and then hire him as Asst to the Regional Manager. Yep, it would screw us real bad if he retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, SCBills said: AJE can probably get done. We can give him a 3-4 year deal and play cap games with his contract. Floyd would likely be a 2 year deal, without that wiggle room .. and, unless he loves it here and is willing to take a discount, has likely played his way to a big pay day we can’t afford. We also need to get younger on defense and paying big money to Floyd for a 2 year deal isn’t helping that. Coming off injury, DaQuan Jones may be affordable. Re-sign him and AJE. Bring back Shaq for cheap. Von, Rousseau, AJE, Shaq, Jonathan Oliver, Jones Draft a WR early and then load up on DT’s and DB’s as we take a machete to the Secondary outside Douglas & Benford. Might not be popular, but letting Hyde walk, cutting Po, Tre & Johnson frees up about 18-19M, I believe. Add in 4M from cutting Harty and we’re close to what we need to get under the cap. Agreed on 99.9% of this except for your mention of cutting Johnson. It would save us close to $8M, but I'd rather see us re-work his deal and give him another extension as opposed to cutting him outright. Another 3 year extension and he finishes his career as a Bill. Throw Morse in there instead, that gets us that $8.5M back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: He had 9 sacks and 59 tackles for a team with few pass rushing opportunities last year and had to settle for less than $10M on a 1 year deal($7M to play with Bills)........but you think he will be one of the hottest names in FA going into his age 32 season? Seems doubtful. He might get a 1-2 year deal averaging $10M or so but he's not going to be in the category of one of "the hottest names". That is going to be reserved for deals worth $80M or more. How many consistent double digits sacks guys will be available? My guess is 3 years 40-45 mil for Floyd Edited November 28, 2023 by KDIGGZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: This looks oddly like what I'd expect my stat sheet to look like if I were a pro football defensive end. Ok, maybe not the solo tackle... But I could definitely get in on one assist. 😅 Now do the math (or wait until end of year). How much is he paid per tackle? (calculate in per-half-tackle, I guess) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: How many consistent double digits sacks guys will be available? My guess is 3 years 45-50 mil for Floyd Brian Burns will be the biggest name out there. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/defensive-end// 24 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: How is this relevant to this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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