HOUSE Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 If you are an NFL fan long enough there is no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 14 hours ago, Drew21PA said: Hold a second here i get you I don’t like to blame officials but hear me out so let’s say the teams aren’t in on it but refs are given a script to follow and have to impede influence to win the game as the nfl says. non call blatant pi? pi in key game changing moment? I’ve seen it you have and that’s where I think this is possible You and I aren't that much different, I simply don't believe the NFL is dumb enough to fix a game prior to the game. I definitely could be convinced a crew was doing it for money or some other reason, but the NFL is not going to fix a game when they can simply say " hey look out for Dawkins and the way he wraps the right arm". Not fixing game but certainly influencing. My last point is that people have confirmation bias, so if they expect to see Tommy Boy complete a pass they will look harder to figure out why making poor calls more likely, especially when the officials are not able to keep up physically forget about mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I don't know if I believe that "the game is fixed" in the sense that the NFL says "we want Team Bird to win the game over Team Turd" or the like. I think that the word is out at times to "protect the stars of the game" leading to star QB like Mahomes getting the benefit of the doubt on roughing calls. I also think there may be a mandate to "keep it interesting" by giving the underdog the benefit of the doubt early in the game. I also think individual refs have personal biases that interfere with their judgement. As the saying goes "let a man get a reputation for rising early, and he may sleep 'til noon without changing it". MVS is a 50% catch rate guy. If he were CeeDee Lamb or Tyreek Hill with a >70% catch rate, maybe he gets the call. I also think betting can influence things - I don't think refs are allowed to bet, but what stops their buddy Fred from betting on their behalf and quietly sharing the loot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 44 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: You and I aren't that much different, I simply don't believe the NFL is dumb enough to fix a game prior to the game. I definitely could be convinced a crew was doing it for money or some other reason, but the NFL is not going to fix a game when they can simply say " hey look out for Dawkins and the way he wraps the right arm". Not fixing game but certainly influencing. My last point is that people have confirmation bias, so if they expect to see Tommy Boy complete a pass they will look harder to figure out why making poor calls more likely, especially when the officials are not able to keep up physically forget about mentally. I don’t think it’s as specific as a video game - I do think there is merit to the refs knowing the spread and knowing the rules - like blackjack per se - favor the house. the nfl has been caught - they won a court case against jets fans stating this is entertainment A we entertained it’s not a sport that was enough to really make me dig lots of money and they know who will make it for them bride you say well Allen is marketable and the bills would make them billions youre right bir that’s where there is a gray area becuase despite losing this season - buffalo made them billion and we aren’t going anywhere. Essentially they know what’s going to make them billions Just now, Drew21PA said: I don’t think it’s as specific as a video game - I do think there is merit to the refs knowing the spread and knowing the rules - like blackjack per se - favor the house. the nfl has been caught - they won a court case against jets fans stating this is entertainment A we entertained it’s not a sport that was enough to really make me dig lots of money and they know who will make it for them bride you say well Allen is marketable and the bills would make them billions youre right bir that’s where there is a gray area becuase despite losing this season - buffalo made them billion and we aren’t going anywhere. Essentially they know what’s going to make them billions Same with Dallas not winning championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 The league is not so much “fixed” as it is heavily controlled…, 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 People that believe in conspiracies have never worked in management at large companies. Those that have understand how ridiculous the notion is. Never associate that with malice that can be explained by incompetence. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I have to believe that with so many players, coaches, medical staff, and refs involved that there has to be some sort of fix on every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Don Otreply said: The league is not so much “fixed” as it is heavily controlled…, Those men in black that came out during the Texans playoff game. Man, that was creepy. Where was the local media chasing that story??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I don't think the league is overtly "fixed". The reason is there would be far too much to lose (literally the entire league would go down the drain) and far too little to gain (the league wouldn't make that much more money if they got the matchups they most desired). The incentives just aren't there for the league to be fixed. Now do I think that referees do have personal bias and that can influence games? Of course, but do I think there are top down orders from the league office to instruct referees to make favorable calls for one team? No, it just is far too much to lose and far too little to gain for that level of conspiracy to make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 The horrendous officiating will make this a never ending question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 What I think people are missing in the “league wouldn’t be that stupid” crowd is that this was not a case of a clean league suddenly becoming crooked. This is a case of an originally crooked league becoming less overtly crooked over time. Read Interference by Dan Moldea. You’ll understand how deep gambling and organized crime runs in the NFL from the absolute highest levels (commissioners and owners). These are not far fetched conspiracies but well documented. They are just “kept out of sight”. Most of your favorite players from the 70s and 80s have been involved in gambling/fixing scandals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: People that believe in conspiracies have never worked in management at large companies. Those that have understand how ridiculous the notion is. Never associate that with malice that can be explained by incompetence. Spoken like a true politician who is trying to cover up their never ending corrupt BS. There is room for incompetence and a lack of integrity in everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Small market subliminal bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: People that believe in conspiracies have never worked in management at large companies. Those that have understand how ridiculous the notion is. Never associate that with malice that can be explained by incompetence. For most of my life I lived believing this general idea that for the most part people mean well. I still believe this in common people, but not when big money is involved. I don't buy into conspiracies at large but I do believe people are greedy and have agendas. The world is full of examples but without getting into any of that and respecting this as a football conversation, I don't believe that the NFL is fixed. However, with Vegas now in bed with the NFL, I just can't see how there isn't a little something happening here and there to sway in specific directions. It happened in the NBA why is it far fetched to believe it could happen in the NFL? I wish I had more faith in people I just don't. Edited December 4, 2023 by Goin Breakdown 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 2:10 PM, Orlando Tim said: I am assuming this is meant as a joke- the DB assumed Diggs was heading for the sideline and when Diggs didn't he was caught out of position. Bad play not On 12/3/2023 at 2:10 PM, Orlando Tim said: I am assuming this is meant as a joke- the DB assumed Diggs was heading for the sideline and when Diggs didn't he was caught out of position. Bad play not scripted Idk what he was thinking to quote Aikmans commentary live. Assumed Diggs was headed for sideline while he was in the air I guess. Why beat him to the angle idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 I don't care if it is pretend. I'll still watch. He does find some interesting ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 2:10 PM, Orlando Tim said: I am assuming this is meant as a joke- the DB assumed Diggs was heading for the sideline and when Diggs didn't he was caught out of position. Bad play not scripted How bout Strahan. Lol. Is he an actor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said: I don't care if it is pretend. I'll still watch. He does find some interesting ones. Lol preseason game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: Lol preseason game So that's good reason to avoid contact? I love preseason. Bummer it's only 3 weeks now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said: So that's good reason to avoid contact? I love preseason. Bummer it's only 3 weeks now. Yes what is the scenario of that play maybe he didn’t want to blow up the guy and risk injury to both of them probably made a business decision the only time I saw a tackle like that was the vikes saints game where he whiffed on diggs which was sketchy but a preseason clip is laughable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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