Mikie2times Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: Why do these comments always bring out the crazies that want to compare every little tiny minute detail of the comparisoneés games. One day, probably in like 4 years of not winning the Super Bowl, you’ll see. Allen, for whatever reason…. is drowning in bad beats. There’s no way he’s accepting them in a vacuum. Rivers’s teams suffered stupid loses. Allen’s teams suffer stupid loses. That’s the extent of that comparison. Not arm strength and foot speed. As a chronic Allen negative poster ( I have been very hard on the guy but I rock his shirt every Sunday and he was amazing today ). I think we just depend on him too much. He will have a big turnover a lot of games and that’s part of this, certainly not all of it. I mean with that he’s the only reason we are in these situations. Incredibly gutsy performance today by Josh. Proud to have him as our QB and this issue certainly isn’t just him. It could have some relationship to how we use him and how we are built sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Very interesting point. We’re stocked with potential winners with great intangibles. Other teams just have outright winners. I’ve said this for years and gotten eye rolls. Joe Burrow won in Highschool and in college. Josh Allen hasn’t won at any level. These things matter. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 49 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Most of these losses . ( Tampa Bay and 13 seconds aside) … the Bills have had a two score lead and couldn’t hold on … So what's the theme here. Since 2019 our 4th quarter defense is absolutely embarrassing. Our HC is defensive. We've drafted 60% defense. Connect the F-ing dots. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 As I say this, you see the Chargers. How they’re playing tonight. Is that on Herbert or is it what the Chargers are asking Herbert to do? Then how they only throw and allow teams a limitless clock to come back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: As a chronic Allen negative poster ( I have been very hard on the guy but I rock his shirt every Sunday and he was amazing today ). I think we just depend on him too much. He will have a big turnover a lot of games and that’s part of this, certainly not all of it. I mean with that he’s the only reason we are in these situations. Incredibly gutsy performance today by Josh. Proud to have him as our QB and this issue certainly isn’t just him. It could have some relationship to how we use him and how we are built sure. There have been too many posters who have criticized Josh but defend McDermott with their life. Maybe after this season common sense will win out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 McDermott is 1-5 in OT with a lone win in 2017 his rookie head coach season. What is his record in 3 points or less games? What is his record in 1 score or less games? He's not it. It's why we are where we are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, Low Positive said: I’ve said this for years and gotten eye rolls. Joe Burrow won in Highschool and in college. Josh Allen hasn’t won at any level. These things matter. You lost me on Allen. It’s those around him that are the problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, Low Positive said: I’ve said this for years and gotten eye rolls. Joe Burrow won in Highschool and in college. Josh Allen hasn’t won at any level. These things matter. Lmfao Joe Burrow hasn't won ***** 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Mikie2times said: You heard the announcers discussing how the Eagles "just know how to win". We have seen teams like the Chargers most recently that are the complete opposite. We are now 7-14 in game decided by 7 points or less since 2021. Against good teams we will be in a lot of these games. Hell, nobody even sniffed a Super Bowl unless that record was flip flopped. A lot of people here blame McD and yes, he owns a lot of this, but it seems like how it happens runs deeper than just one area. Is it the sometimes untimely turnovers? Is it the defensive scheme itself? Then addition the poor clock management overlaid on top of it. I get it, winners just win. But what is it in our recipe that doesn't make us "winners"? At a bit of a loss as I'm sure many of you're. Here are just some of the games that we have either blown or nearly blown in very improbable fashion. We have won some close games as well, but as the record shows, few and far between. Houston Playoff Wild Card 2019 Bills are outscored 22-3 to finish the game and lose in OT Indianapolis Playoff Wild Card 2020 Bills are outscored 14-3 in the final twelve minutes. Colts fizzle out on the final drive. Bills hold on. New England Week 8, 2020 Cam Newton fumbles on the Bills 19 yard line with 37 seconds left preserving the win Arizona Week 10, 2020 Hail Murray Tennessee Week 6, 2021 Bills are outscored 17-7 to end the game. Bills stopped on 4th and 1 at Tennessee 3 yard line. Tampa Bay Week 14 2021 Bills come roaring back with a chance to win on the last drive, instead it goes to OT. Bills lose in OT Kansas City Divisions Championship 2021 13 seconds Minnesota Week 19 2022 Epic implosion fresh on our minds NY Jets Week 1 2023 Jets outscore Bills 16-3 in the 4th quarter and OT, Bills lose NY Giants Week 6 2023 Bills avert complete disaster with a likely no call on the final play Denver Week 10 2023 Bills do everything to gift wrap the game, fold at the end. Philadelphia Week 12 2023 You just saw it All these losses come down to discipline and details. This is what separates great coaches from the rest of the pack. McDermott does an awful lot that I've liked, such as embracing analytics and fostering a strong bond within the locker room, but his tenure has run its course. He's at his ceiling and is far too responsible for how often the team has come up small in big moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: Lmfao Joe Burrow hasn't won ***** Joe Burrow won a National Championship. He also took a perennial loser to the Ohio state championship game. This is a thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Low Positive said: Joe Burrow won a National Championship. He also took a perennial loser to the Ohio state championship game. This is a thing. Are you serious w this lol What did his peewee team do 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Are you serious w this lol What did his peewee team do All night tonight Romo was talking about “championship pedigree.” Winning is a learned trait. I’ve said for years that we lose these close games because our guys are not winners. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Low Positive said: All night tonight Romo was talking about “championship pedigree.” Winning is a learned trait. I’ve said for years that we lose these close games because our guys are not winners. I don't believe anything from HS or college makes a difference in the pros at all 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 50 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: I’m getting cozy with the comfort that Allen is just Phillip Rivers. Try it, it makes more sense. His turnovers is a MAJOR problem. Sure, throw three picks when it’s a shootout and the Bills can win the game 38-35. But yeah, that never happens either huh. Another 4th guarded INT on the wrong side of the 50 in a close game. Philly turned it into 7, easily. Allen is a dimwit. Is that you deflecting blame again Sean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Low Positive said: All night tonight Romo was talking about “championship pedigree.” Winning is a learned trait. I’ve said for years that we lose these close games because our guys are not winners. I think winning at all levels allows you to be more calm in clutch moments. How couldn’t it? Just as that behavior is reinforced so is the opposite. Just like Bills fans constantly feel doom coming. How can’t that have creeped into this team at least a little? How can’t the offense feel pressure with how the defense has closed games? If an element to learning how to win exists I think it’s rooted in this but certainly a very complicated subject to how players arrive at these places. When it starts. How does it turn around. Etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Romo always came up small though. He knows only the other side of winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 38 minutes ago, Low Positive said: I’ve said this for years and gotten eye rolls. Joe Burrow won in Highschool and in college. Josh Allen hasn’t won at any level. These things matter. That’s so overrated. so Josh didn’t “win” at arrowhead when he had the game winning drive only for his head coach to piss away 13 seconds while never touching the ball again? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Lmfao Joe Burrow hasn't won ***** He couldn't even make the plane for his Christmas vacation... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 54 minutes ago, Low Positive said: I’ve said this for years and gotten eye rolls. Joe Burrow won in Highschool and in college. Josh Allen hasn’t won at any level. These things matter. What level has our praised coaching won at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Knowing how to win is just a cliche being trotted out by NFL announcers with air time to fill. Pretty much meaningless. The bottom line is this : Most NFL games are close. The Bills lose them because their HC is consistently too conservative in crunch time. It’s not about him knowing how to win- it’s about him being too afraid to try. So he makes choices that he thinks won’t lose in the moment. The problem is, it eventually gives the opponent a better chance to defeat you. In the close ones, they usually do. His record speaks for itself. The most accurate post ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Kaenon said: Answer me this... What is McDermott's head coaching record in OT? 1-6 I blame the refs on 4 losses. 2019 @ Houston (fair catch game) 2021 @ Tampa (where do I start) 2023 @ NYJets (no tripping call) 2023 @ Philly (game won on fumble) What an unlucky bastard! I guess coin toss in KC 2021 is also unlucky. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 SnowBowl vs. Indy his one win. Wrap brain around this: "The Bills are the 40th team since 1970 merger to have 500 yards, 10 third down conversions, and a positive turnover margin in a game. They are the first team to lose in that scenario. Teams were 39-0 entering today." What more do you want? Players and coach to walk on water? The game was won by the Bills on the catch/fumble. Given the metrics, the loss by Bills points to external forces that altered the game. It makes me sick the League is this badly broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 0-6 in OT through the Allen era. That's not normal. The terrible record in 1 score games is also not normal. McDermott & coaching is clearly the issue there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: 0-6 in OT through the Allen era. That's not normal. The terrible record in 1 score games is also not normal. McDermott & coaching is clearly the issue there. Maybe it's Allen? The only one he won was the SnowBowl on the Shady run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Mcclappy and Beane era Bunch of bums that messed up with the golden goose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 mentally weak team with a defense that plays scared at end of games. Eagles easily moved down the field in OT. 13 second game ruined this team. Can't close out games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, nucci said: mentally weak team with a defense that plays scared at end of games. Eagles easily moved down the field in OT. 13 second game ruined this team. Can't close out games 13 seconds ruined McDermott, or exposed what he'll always be. I'm baffled at this staffs continued approach of playing not to lose. They have no killer instinct. The OT record and history of coming up small in one score games has to be topic of concern moving forward if you're the owner right? If we've been seeing it for years, they can't continue to bury their head in the sand. This team peaked 3 years ago, a change in philosophy is needed to save the teams window with Allen. I've never seen a team in one season be so close to having one of the top records, or one of the worst, based on less than 10 plays. With the Bills mostly being on the negative side. This team constantly finds new ways to come up small, ironically in similar fashion year to year, week to week. We all know what problem is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 11 hours ago, Drew21PA said: McDermott is a loser He does the same thing, he schemes the same way, and he doesn’t change anything at the end of games another words he doesn’t want to learn. The other coaches, the owner, someone has to do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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