Yobogoya! Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 So historically under McD/Frazier the pass rush has been... anemic. Between 2017 and 2022 our sack totals finished as: 27 (yikes!), 36, 44, 38, 42, 40 We now sit currently at 39, good for second in the league behind only the Ravens, with still six games to go. Individually, Leonard Floyd has been a phenom. One of my fave off-season moves of the McBeane regime, he's sitting with 9.5 on the season after last night's sack banquet. Fun fact: no Bills player has recorded 10 or more sacks since this regime took over. Closest was Jordan Philips in 2018 who finished with, coincidentally, 9.5 Of all the criticisms McD might face lately, there's no doubt he has definitely elevated the pass rush since taking over coordinator duties from Frazier. Might we finally have a double-digit sack artist under this regime? No matter how you slice it, the defense is getting to the QB better than they have in over half a decade. It's great to see! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Yep. Von Miller has been a damn beast 1 2 1 18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Sure would have liked to see a sack or two on the last drives of Mac Jones and Russell Wilson.... But yes, they have been much more aggressive this year. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Yep. Von Miller has been a damn beast To think we'd be second in the league in sacks through week 11 while Von has been a complete ghost in the stat column all year. Crazy. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: So historically under McD/Frazier the pass rush has been... anemic. Between 2017 and 2022 our sack totals finished as: 27 (yikes!), 36, 44, 38, 42, 40 We now sit currently at 39, good for second in the league behind only the Ravens, with still six games to go. Individually, Leonard Floyd has been a phenom. One of my fave off-season moves of the McBeane regime, he's sitting with 9.5 on the season after last night's sack banquet. Fun fact: no Bills player has recorded 10 or more sacks since this regime took over. Closest was Jordan Philips in 2018 who finished with, coincidentally, 9.5 Of all the criticisms McD might face lately, there's no doubt he has definitely elevated the pass rush since taking over coordinator duties from Frazier. Might we finally have a double-digit sack artist under this regime? No matter how you slice it, the defense is getting to the QB better than they have in over half a decade. It's great to see! I'm fascinated - averaging 40 sacks per year for the previous 5 seasons is "anemic"??? IIRC we have also trended near the top of the league in pressures and/or pass rush win rate as well McDermott's defenses certainly have had their share of challenges, especially in big spots. But I wouldn't necessarily characterize getting sacks as one of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 With injuries piling up in the secondary this pass rush is going to have to be perfect the next 2 weeks and going forward. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: I'm fascinated - averaging 40 sacks per year for the previous 5 seasons is "anemic"??? IIRC we have also trended near the top of the league in pressures and/or pass rush win rate as well McDermott's defenses certainly have had their share of challenges, especially in big spots. But I wouldn't necessarily characterize getting sacks as one of them 40 sacks last year put us at 15th in the league. Maybe "mediocre" then is a better word. Situationally, it felt like when we needed it, it was nowhere to be found. 13 minutes ago, RJ (not THAT RJ) said: Sure would have liked to see a sack or two on the last drives of Mac Jones and Russell Wilson.... But yes, they have been much more aggressive this year. Maybe it's still a work in progress, then. 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 21 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: So historically under McD/Frazier the pass rush has been... anemic. Between 2017 and 2022 our sack totals finished as: 27 (yikes!), 36, 44, 38, 42, 40 We now sit currently at 39, good for second in the league behind only the Ravens, with still six games to go. Individually, Leonard Floyd has been a phenom. One of my fave off-season moves of the McBeane regime, he's sitting with 9.5 on the season after last night's sack banquet. Fun fact: no Bills player has recorded 10 or more sacks since this regime took over. Closest was Jordan Philips in 2018 who finished with, coincidentally, 9.5 Of all the criticisms McD might face lately, there's no doubt he has definitely elevated the pass rush since taking over coordinator duties from Frazier. Might we finally have a double-digit sack artist under this regime? No matter how you slice it, the defense is getting to the QB better than they have in over half a decade. It's great to see! Just as an fyi, McDermott's 2013 Panthers D had 60 sacks: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2013.htm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: I'm fascinated - averaging 40 sacks per year for the previous 5 seasons is "anemic"??? Please don’t allow facts to interfere with our fun……. 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 The DLine makes me think that maybe — just maybe — this Bills team could have a little 2011 New York Giants magic in them. And hey, Linval Joseph was on that team. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Is Rousseau playing injured or what? He should getting sacks too but he’s not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 37 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: So historically under McD/Frazier the pass rush has been... anemic. Between 2017 and 2022 our sack totals finished as: 27 (yikes!), 36, 44, 38, 42, 40 We now sit currently at 39, good for second in the league behind only the Ravens, with still six games to go. Individually, Leonard Floyd has been a phenom. One of my fave off-season moves of the McBeane regime, he's sitting with 9.5 on the season after last night's sack banquet. Fun fact: no Bills player has recorded 10 or more sacks since this regime took over. Closest was Jordan Philips in 2018 who finished with, coincidentally, 9.5 Of all the criticisms McD might face lately, there's no doubt he has definitely elevated the pass rush since taking over coordinator duties from Frazier. Might we finally have a double-digit sack artist under this regime? No matter how you slice it, the defense is getting to the QB better than they have in over half a decade. It's great to see! I would trade all of Floyd's sacks yesterday for him getting off the field in the Broncos game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Please don’t allow facts to interfere with our fun……. McD/Frazier's Bills have never finished top ten in sacks as a team and never produced a single double digit sack player to this point. Again, "mediocre" is probably a better word there. Anecdotally, they disappointed in key situations, like in several playoff exits. The #1 and #2 teams in the NFL in sacks last year were the Chiefs and the Eagles. I'm encouraged by the change I'm seeing this year 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 All this and nothing from Von Miller. Pretty amazing. Leonard Floyd one of Beanes greatest FA signings ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Von Miller figures out how to turn again and things will be even better. 🤞 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillenger4 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Yes, if Von can get it together... LOOOK OUT! His speed off the line is getting better. He just needs to make the cut towards the QB. His power is there too. C'mon Von, bang the gong! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Getting a reasonable replacement for Daquan in there has helped. The drop off was significant between the Dolphins and Bengals game, hopefully not enough to keep a dangerous team out of the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Kinda misleading. 20 sacks have come in 3 games (two jests, 1 Washington). That means we have 19 in 8. Still solid but definitely inflated by those outlier games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Kinda misleading. 20 sacks have come in 3 games (two jests, 1 Washington). That means we have 19 in 8. Still solid but definitely inflated by those outlier games. I'm sure plenty of teams get more sacks against bad teams that's just how seasons go, point is they're still getting pressure and a few in other games. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Kinda misleading. 20 sacks have come in 3 games (two jests, 1 Washington). That means we have 19 in 8. Still solid but definitely inflated by those outlier games. Every team with high sack totals for the entire history of the league has had their numbers inflated by outlier games. Lotta teams never have any outlier games, which isn't where you want to be. 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Just now, Warcodered said: I'm sure plenty of teams get more sacks against bad teams that's just how seasons go, point is they're still getting pressure and a few in other games. Oh for sure but I can remember in some big spots/ games, the pass rusher disappears. I still believe 100% Frazier was scapegoat but with all the injuries this defense has had, I place little blame on their feet. They have held up as well at they can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 A less blurry version than the ones I saw last night. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Every team with high sack totals for the entire history of the league has had their numbers inflated by outlier games. Lotta teams never have any outlier games, which isn't where you want to be. I think with all these stats, I would love to see a consistency ranking/ opposition type metric. Floyd has been amazing and Oliver has been really good. The rest of the guys have their moments but then disappear too often in big spots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Terrell Bernard is a good blitzer as well. What an extremely pleasant surprise 43 has been. He will be a Captain next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Kinda misleading. 20 sacks have come in 3 games (two jests, 1 Washington). That means we have 19 in 8. Still solid but definitely inflated by those outlier games. Are you trying to piss us off? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Are you trying to piss us off? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 McDermott has never had a guy with 10 sacks with the Bills. Floyd is sitting at 9.5...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Oh for sure but I can remember in some big spots/ games, the pass rusher disappears. I still believe 100% Frazier was scapegoat but with all the injuries this defense has had, I place little blame on their feet. They have held up as well at they can. I get what you mean. Even with the injuries, I feel like whatever game-plan allowed Mac Jones post a 126 qb rating and lead a game-winning drive is... well, not good. Be very interesting to see how McD plays Hurts and Mahomes over the next few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: A less blurry version than the ones I saw last night. I really liked the roping demo....especially when the jests were doing their little thing while losing badly..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talleywhacker Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Feasting on 2 bad teams and 1 decent team. 21 in 3 games. 9 Vs Washington and 6 vs Jets. Also had 5 vs Jags who are credible. 19 sacks in other 8 games is pretty pedestrian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 If they can just put it all together this last month and a half sheesh no stopping them look out I’d they continue on offense against the eagles - who doesn’t really have a HUGE advantage much anywhere other than the wideouts I think we can scheme for could be a shoot out but hang on to your hats folks I mean they beat the eagles and chiefs? Holy smokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: Yep. Von Miller has been a damn beast You just have to find something to beatch about, don’t you? Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: Yep. Von Miller has been a damn beast It is really encouraging that Buffalo has accomplished its sack production without Von Miller contributing. I don't know that he can't be effective at some point. I think sometimes we as fans undervalue the negative effect that injuries can have on player production even after players return to the playing field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Off topic- but unworthy of its own thread. Joey Bosa was placed on IR with a sprained foot. Eligible to return vs us, meanwhile 3 of the 4 games he’s definitely out will be played against playoff contenders, Ravens, Broncos and Raiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Yobogoya! said: So historically under McD/Frazier the pass rush has been... anemic. Between 2017 and 2022 our sack totals finished as: 27 (yikes!), 36, 44, 38, 42, 40 We now sit currently at 39, good for second in the league behind only the Ravens, with still six games to go. Individually, Leonard Floyd has been a phenom. One of my fave off-season moves of the McBeane regime, he's sitting with 9.5 on the season after last night's sack banquet. Fun fact: no Bills player has recorded 10 or more sacks since this regime took over. Closest was Jordan Philips in 2018 who finished with, coincidentally, 9.5 Of all the criticisms McD might face lately, there's no doubt he has definitely elevated the pass rush since taking over coordinator duties from Frazier. Might we finally have a double-digit sack artist under this regime? No matter how you slice it, the defense is getting to the QB better than they have in over half a decade. It's great to see! Considering Miller has provided zero production that is a very impressive sack total 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Bad Things said: You just have to find something to beatch about, don’t you? Meh. Not bitching. It's a little thing called sarcasm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don't think that guy knows how to spell.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 7 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: Please don’t allow facts to interfere with our fun……. Don’t be fooled , 40 is mid… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 16 hours ago, bmur66 said: Is Rousseau playing injured or what? He should getting sacks too but he’s not. I would like to know this too I think you have to be real thoughtful about how much you play Von. At some point he may be best off inactive. He is no where near where he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 18 hours ago, wppete said: All this and nothing from Von Miller. Pretty amazing. Leonard Floyd one of Beanes greatest FA signings ever. Cue Rasul Douglas..... "hold my beer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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