Lenigmusx Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) I’m sitting home with COVID😩 I think it was brought on by Monday night’s debacle. Anyway, I’ve been bingeing all 22’s and game footage of the last 3 years. In watching that tape I realized that Dorsey has stopped using one of Josh’s greatest strengths, the deep middle crossing pattern. Cole Beasley use to provide such a great underneath security blanket that I think it allowed some of these routes and route trees to develop differently. Much like Brett Favre, Josh can throw a seam route better than almost anyone in the history of the game. How many seam TD’s or even seam routes have we seen this year? None. Why, I think we don’t have anyone one good enough or designated to be the slot outlet in that Beasley role. Until physically taken away by coverage schemes that abused him because of his small stature Beasley was like the Bills Steve Curr the clutch shooter you could go to when Diggs (The Bills Jordan) wasn’t open. KC physically took that away in the two playoff games (Gabe Stepped up though in the 13 seconds game). When Daboll left Dorsey abandon that concept. Could that player could be Harty or Kincaid? McKenzie couldn’t handle it he lacked the discipline to mirror Josh. You need a special player with Basketball like instincts in the slot. Someone who mirrors the QB from the slot. Josh needs this player. I would argue Kelce Swift is this player for Mahomes as “Me Gronk Me catch ball” was this player for Brady. It elevates his entire game and opens up the field. If coupled with under the center Play Action and running game this offense could be indefensible. Josh is different though at the QB position Mahomes and Brady are point guard QB’s. Josh is more like Scotty Pippen a small forward who distributes… The offense is different when it runs through someone with a unique skill set like his. He will refuse the 5-7 yard gimme initially. However when you have a player in the Beasley role it allows him to come back to it after he exhausts the chunk play option. This safety net mitigates risk and promotes both offensive rhythm and sustained drives. This is the difference between Daboll and Dorsey in a nut shell. Josh’s thinks he’s an 11 personnel run and shoot QB. He can be for short periods but he needs his Steve Curr to sustain points when Jordan’s (Diggs is covered) shot is off. If this was coupled with the under center PA run/pass concepts we flashed out of 12 earlier this year this offense could be unstoppable. This year the RPO option route trees where the entire world knows the 3 options require super human QB skills that are not sustainable. A couple great examples of the Daboll concept games are Rams v Bills 2020 wk 3 and KC v Bills 2021. Perhaps the 2021 KC game gave Spags the film to realize he had to physically shutdown Beasley. If Joe Brady really does a deep dive I think he can add the deep mid crossers and slot mirror concept back without flipping the playbook or terminology. Another point- I think Gabe stepping up in the 13 seconds game created a false sense that the slot mirror concept was unnecessary. I think Dorsey and Allen thought they could just open things up…apparently that is not the case. I just don’t understand why they have been so stubborn and I think this above all else is why Diggs is pissed. He is super smart and knows so he is like Jordan before the triangle worked… but his clock for a championship is ticking. I would be pissed too if I knew there was an easy button but no one acknowledged it… (*****Post Now Ribbed for more pleasure…)😂 Edited November 16, 2023 by Lenigmusx 2 3 2 2 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 I miss the days of paragraphs 4 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted November 16, 2023 Author Share Posted November 16, 2023 Dude.. I’m struggling with COVID… read the concepts… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 I think you have a fever, likely septic and going to die Close your eyes and put your phone down 1 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaDigital Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 they make this button called "enter" what it does, is put a space between lines, so your reader doesnt want to gouge his eyes out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Josh is not built to be a Pippen. If he can’t be a Jordan, we’re effed. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted November 16, 2023 Author Share Posted November 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Prospector said: I miss the days of paragraphs 2 minutes ago, DJB said: I think you have a fever, likely septic and going to die Close your eyes and put your phone down The concepts people.. I reformatted for the English teachers on the thread…. The snarkyness is really unnecessary and not comical though. 2 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Josh is not built to be a Pippen. If he can’t be a Jordan, we’re effed. Diggs is Jordan… We are not effed. Pippen was a big man distributor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Someone make it stop....please make it stop! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Lenigmusx said: The concepts people.. I reformatted for the English teachers on the thread…. The snarkyness is really unnecessary and not comical though. Diggs is Jordan… We are not effed. Pippen was a big man distributor Diggs is not Michael Jordan - 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 this thread is causing me chest pains. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Lenigmusx said: Diggs is Jordan… We are not effed. Pippen was a big man distributor If we want to get really technical, you can’t really compare a sport where there are 5 guys out there that play offense and defense, versus a sport where there are a different 11 on offense, defense and special teams. With that said, if Diggs is our Jordan, we are also effed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, teef said: this thread is causing me chest pains. That's the 40 sitting on your chest. Stop drinking at work, you lush. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Lenigmusx said: The concepts people.. I reformatted for the English teachers on the thread…. The snarkyness is really unnecessary and not comical though. Diggs is Jordan… We are not effed. Pippen was a big man distributor It needs a second pass for sure, maybe hire an editor at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Do you really want me to drink this early in the morning?!?! OH WAIT!!! I have coffee and Bailey's Irish Cream!!! Carry on. As you were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, teef said: this thread is causing me chest pains. This thread gave me COVID. OP: Your concepts are TOTALLY valid and well worth discussing. You know who would LOVE this conversation? Sal Capaccio. You should absolutely positively give him a buzz on his show and bring this up. Edited November 16, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliBills Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Oh look, another dissatisfied fan. thank you for your input and opinion. Means the world to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) Does this mean Mahomes is Jordan with the Bulls and Allen is Ewing with the Knicks. Edited November 16, 2023 by Gregg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Josh is Mary Poppins? And Michael Scott did what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Lenigmusx said: The concepts people.. I reformatted for the English teachers on the thread…. The snarkyness is really unnecessary and not comical though. No, it is necessary because I just tried to read it and it hurt my brain, and that's AFTER you supposedly reformatted it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, Lenigmusx said: That player could be Harty… I always thought Kincaid would eventually fill this roll we have been missing since Beasley. Which brings us back to Dorsey being fired and part of the reason is because the Dorsey's offense has not replaced/utilized that roll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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