Snappysnackcakes Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 I wholeheartedly agree that Sean needs to be replaced and the second blitz in a row, at the end of the game, seals it for me. This was a legitimately terrible defensive play call. Period. Sean is the DC. End of story. He, unlike previous seasons, has no one to blame. It’s on him and he was outsmarted by a very talented coach and very experienced QB. This is a microcosm of Sean’s time as HC. I wish to be succinct, so that’s it. 4 1 2 2 10 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 If we get a second sack is it a terrible call? 5 1 1 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 They picked us apart all night underneath I agree with the call. Better than watching that soft zone coverage where they pick up 8 yards a play. Taron just didn’t get his head around… Simple as that. 1 1 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: If we get a second sack is it a terrible call? Yes, just with a positive result. 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GustheDog33 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 That blitz has killed them all year. Unbelievable that he is still calling it in crucial moments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Payton and Wilson were ready for it on the second attempt. A second sack at that point was highly unlikely. In the context of the moment it was a terrible call. 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 Jeez. Dude. It was a terrible and redundant call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Dick_Cheney said: Yes, just with a positive result. What makes it a terrible call? 1 minute ago, Snappysnackcakes said: Jeez. Dude. It was a terrible and redundant call. Why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: If we get a second sack is it a terrible call? If Taron doesn't interfere with Jeudy is it a bad call? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Without our starting corners, our Dline doesn't look dominant like they looked they would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Lmfao at the people who are mad at the defense…. So many other reasons to want McD gone if you like that take but the defense is the low hanging fruit. Do better! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: Without our starting corners, our Dline doesn't look dominant like they looked they would be. Don't forget Hyde wasn't out there either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 Just now, HoofHearted said: What makes it a terrible call? How about the results? Dude, really? Is this McDermott? Was trying to be succinct, but this staff has the franchise on a collision course to immediate mediocrity. Daboll at the end of the Giants/Bills game? Sean’s created a toxic culture and it was on full display after the whistle blew. Had they squirreled out a W last night, which one of us would still, with confidence, profess that all is right in the world? Lest you not forget, Any Reid fired Sean in Philly, too. I’m flawed, you’re flawed, and, clearly Sean’s taken this QB and team as far as he can. So stop trolling with the nonsense, rhetorical questions, please. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If Taron doesn't interfere with Jeudy is it a bad call? Gotta ask @Snappysnackcakes 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, HoofHearted said: Gotta ask @Snappysnackcakes 🤷♂️ Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Snappysnackcakes said: How about the results? Dude, really? Is this McDermott? Was trying to be succinct, but this staff has the franchise on a collision course to immediate mediocrity. Daboll at the end of the Giants/Bills game? Sean’s created a toxic culture and it was on full display after the whistle blew. Had they squirreled out a W last night, which one of us would still, with confidence, profess that all is right in the world? Lest you not forget, Any Reid fired Sean in Philly, too. I’m flawed, you’re flawed, and, clearly Sean’s taken this QB and team as far as he can. So stop trolling with the nonsense, rhetorical questions, please. They aren’t rhetorical. I genuinely wanted an answer, and the answer I got was basically “hindsight is 20/20”. Just because the outcome wasn’t what we wanted doesn't make it a bad call. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, HoofHearted said: They aren’t rhetorical. I genuinely wanted an answer, and the answer I got was basically “hindsight is 20/20”. Just because the outcome wasn’t what we wanted doesn't make it a bad call. “Fire Frazier for sitting in soft zones. We need to blitz more.” ”Not like that!!!!” 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 21 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said: I wholeheartedly agree that Sean needs to be replaced and the second blitz in a row, at the end of the game, seals it for me. This was a legitimately terrible defensive play call. Period. Sean is the DC. End of story. He, unlike previous seasons, has no one to blame. It’s on him and he was outsmarted by a very talented coach and very experienced QB. This is a microcosm of Sean’s time as HC. I wish to be succinct, so that’s it. Anyone complaining about the defense as if it was the reason why we lost must just be watching different games than me because all 5 of our losses are 100% of the shoulders of the offense. This one play is so minor compared to the 6 week s*** show that has been this pathetic offense and why Dorsey was the first to go. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: “Fire Frazier for sitting in soft zones. We need to blitz more.” ”Not like that!!!!” This place man. I tell you what lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 Just now, HoofHearted said: They aren’t rhetorical. I genuinely wanted an answer, and the answer I got was basically “hindsight is 20/20”. Just because the outcome wasn’t what we wanted doesn't make it a bad call. This ain’t a video game. It’s called strategy, muscle memory, tendencies, familiarity, and, most importantly- EXPERIENCE! Sean was outsmarted by a cagey vet and one of the best HC’s of our generation. If you cannot see this as, at minimum, a possibility, I can’t help you. In short, we gave them a mulligan and ate a big dic* at the end of the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: Payton and Wilson were ready for it on the second attempt. A second sack at that point was highly unlikely. In the context of the moment it was a terrible call. When they lined up for the second attempt I was sure the Bills were just showing the look and we're about to back out of it. They didn't and Wilson was prepared. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said: This ain’t a video game. It’s called strategy, muscle memory, tendencies, familiarity, and, most importantly- EXPERIENCE! Sean was outsmarted by a cagey vet and one of the best HC’s of our generation. If you cannot see this as, at minimum, a possibility, I can’t help you. In short, we gave them a mulligan and ate a big dic* at the end of the game. Other than the result you still haven’t explained why it was a bad call. If you’re going to make such a bold statement then back it up! How was McDermott outsmarted? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Except for that play with the sack, rushing 4 vs 6+ seemed to have the same result: chasing after Russ and missing him. Over and over. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: Other than the result you still haven’t explained why it was a bad call. If you’re going to make such a bold statement then back it up! How was McDermott outsmarted? People think it was a bad call because it wasn't executed to perfection If we smoked Russell Wilson nobody would be complaining 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: When they lined up for the second attempt I was sure the Bills were just showing the look and we're about to back out of it. They didn't and Wilson was prepared. And he threw an incompletion, guess he got lucky Taron made a bone headed play or was that all part of the wiseness or Russell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 28 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: Payton and Wilson were ready for it on the second attempt. A second sack at that point was highly unlikely. In the context of the moment it was a terrible call. This. McD thinks he’s so smart but actually it’s a strained reach that backfired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 15 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: They aren’t rhetorical. I genuinely wanted an answer, and the answer I got was basically “hindsight is 20/20”. Just because the outcome wasn’t what we wanted doesn't make it a bad call. I'm curious if calling back to back all out blitzes normally results in giving up a big gain on the 2nd play. My guess is that it would, but i have no data to back that up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: Other than the result you still haven’t explained why it was a bad call. If you’re going to make such a bold statement then back it up! How was McDermott outsmarted? Blitz really hadn’t been working the whole game. And even when they weren’t blitzing they were rushing too deep and Russ was resetting or scrambling. The pressure concepts were not well schemed or executed last night. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: And he threw an incompletion, guess he got lucky Taron made a bone headed play or was that all part of the wiseness or Russell? He got rid of the ball fast. Threw a moonshot that was most likely INTENDED to draw the DPI. Hellz I've seen Brady do that dozens of times. So, yes being that was the design of the play it was a good call and good execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 I hated the call, but I’ll also admit that the defense balled out in that game. At least until the final drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I'm curious if calling back to back all out blitzes normally results in giving up a big gain on the 2nd play. My guess is that it would, but i have no data to back that up It's all specific on down and distance... Calling two heavy blitzes on back to back second and third and short analytically isn't smart In a clear passing situation with a long down and distance... Analytically it's not a bad call Johnson couldn't play his technique which is on him It was literally a prayer of a football, and Johnson panicked and couldn't locate the ball Edited November 15, 2023 by Buffalo716 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said: He got rid of the ball fast. Threw a moonshot that was most likely INTENDED to draw the DPI. Hellz I've seen Brady do that dozens of times. So, yes being that was the design of the play it was a good call and good execution. Even so, if the Bills don't have 12 men in the field the Broncos lose but I guess that was part of their plan? Please they got some fortunate things happen at the end to get them that win. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Blitz really hadn’t been working the whole game. And even when they weren’t blitzing they were rushing too deep and Russ was resetting or scrambling. The pressure concepts were not well schemed or executed last night. We didn’t really blitz a ton in the game. It was a lot of 4 man rushes with poor lane integrity. However the way I see it you had two options. Pressure and hope to get home again or rush four and sit back and play coverage. They were out of field goal range so they had to run some type of drop back concept and they did, 3 verts. Taron got beat at the collision point playing catch man and Russ under threw the crap out of the ball because of the pressure. It happens, but that doesn’t make it a bad call. 15 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I'm curious if calling back to back all out blitzes normally results in giving up a big gain on the 2nd play. My guess is that it would, but i have no data to back that up Couldn’t tell you, but I do know that usually when you don’t give a quarterback a lot of time to make a decision good things usually happen. This time it didn’t. That’s football. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 33 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: They aren’t rhetorical. I genuinely wanted an answer, and the answer I got was basically “hindsight is 20/20”. Just because the outcome wasn’t what we wanted doesn't make it a bad call. Yes it IS a bad defensive call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Just now, Snappysnackcakes said: Yes it IS a bad defensive call. Tell me why. What schematically or situationally made it a bad call? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said: They picked us apart all night underneath I agree with the call. Better than watching that soft zone coverage where they pick up 8 yards a play. Taron just didn’t get his head around… Simple as that. but they knew on a zero blitz that a lob against man coverage in our battered secondary was a high percentage play. Single coverage on an island and they have good WRs. the calculus between the two plays changed drastically but we played them identically. even an underneath completion turns into a long kick to either end the game with a miss or get the ball back with time and timeouts to get a fg Edited November 15, 2023 by NoSaint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 This ain’t a video game. It’s called strategy, muscle memory, tendencies, familiarity, and, most importantly- EXPERIENCE! Sean was outsmarted by a cagey vet and one of the best HC’s of our generation. If you cannot see this as, at minimum, a possibility, I can’t help you. In short, we gave them a mulligan and ate a big dic* at the end ofthe game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 @SnappysnackcakesSo you can’t… got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: People think it was a bad call because it wasn't executed to perfection If we smoked Russell Wilson nobody would be complaining Wilson no longer had to fear the turnover the same being out of fg range. It allowed him to throw a lob that he couldn’t the play prior. It’s chess vs checkers. a sack was bad but not the end of the world the play prior so eating the blitz instead of game planning a PI was a shift between the two presnap even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: We didn’t really blitz a ton in the game. It was a lot of 4 man rushes with poor lane integrity. However the way I see it you had two options. Pressure and hope to get home again or rush four and sit back and play coverage. They were out of field goal range so they had to run some type of drop back concept and they did, 3 verts. Taron got beat at the collision point playing catch man and Russ under threw the crap out of the ball because of the pressure. It happens, but that doesn’t make it a bad call. Couldn’t tell you, but I do know that usually when you don’t give a quarterback a lot of time to make a decision good things usually happen. This time it didn’t. That’s football. Don’t have a huge issue with the call but generally speaking the blitz yesterday wasn’t working. They weren’t getting home and weren’t covering tight behind it. In hindsight it likely wouldn’t have mattered bc they weren’t rushing to the proper depth in their non-blitz situations anyhow. Edited November 15, 2023 by Coach Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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