Doc Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: It wasn’t. But that doesn’t matter for people looking to push agendas. Then what precipitated the attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: We do. I believe the best place to start is attaching lots of strings to money we send to Israel. Like puppets...They have no self control without it and little decency. But kidnapping or killing civilians is bad and counterproductive. See Russia/Ukraine. btw, anti semitism isn't cool either. What I said wasnt antisemitism. Just the truth. Americans only see one side to the story. Neither side is right. The whole thing is sad, and will not end well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Then what precipitated the attack? Please explain to me how Iran not having the $6 billion means that they were able to do this attack because they had the $6 billion even though they don’t have it. I am pointing out that the specific claim that the $6 billion from the deal funded this attack is wrong because Iran has none of that money and none of that money has been spent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Just now, ChiGoose said: Please explain to me how Iran not having the $6 billion means that they were able to do this attack because they had the $6 billion even though they don’t have it. I am pointing out that the specific claim that the $6 billion from the deal funded this attack is wrong because Iran has none of that money and none of that money has been spent. What do you mean they don't have it? You don't think that Iran has $6B? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Doc said: Then what precipitated the attack? are you that uninformed? this year we were on a cruise ship in port in Jerusalem then Haifa. Never made it to either. An Israeli sub accompanied us out of both ports. Ya think the Palestinians have submarines? Edited October 7, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: are you that uninformed? this year we were on a cruise ship in port in Jerusalem then Haifa. Never made it to either. An Israeli sub accompanied us out of both ports. Ya think the Palestinians have submarines? Say what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Say what? submarines =US support (uge amounts) a few rockets and slingshots = no US support were pulling the wrong strings.... Edited October 7, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, Doc said: What do you mean they don't have it? You don't think that Iran has $6B? They don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: submarines =US support (uge amounts) a few rockets and slingshots = no US support were pulling the wrong strings.... Maybe you should be paying attention. The US has been supporting Israel for decades. Because they're a small country surrounded by hostile Muslim countries who have actually stated they want to eliminate. The only puppets are you libs who are being told to support the Palestinians because the Israeli government is right-leaning. 14 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: They don’t. Iran as a country doesn't have $6B, or they don't physically have the $6B in (to them) found money the US just gave to them? Not that it would take anywhere close to $6B to fund Hamas. Edited October 7, 2023 by Doc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: This is not going to end well for anyone. Some of the scenes coming out of the region are just horrific. Civilians and soldiers hostages of Palestians and being paraded around. Saw a women get dragged around by her hair. This isn't a war... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 29 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: are you that uninformed? this year we were on a cruise ship in port in Jerusalem then Haifa. Never made it to either. An Israeli sub accompanied us out of both ports. Ya think the Palestinians have submarines? Not sure what this this means. Submarines accompanying cruise ships have no military significance. The reality is as it has always been. Iran funds Hamas. Hamas runs this to the 50 year anniversary of Yom Kippur. Nothing changes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 31 minutes ago, sherpa said: Not sure what this this means. Submarines accompanying cruise ships have no military significance. The reality is as it has always been. Iran funds Hamas. Hamas runs this to the 50 year anniversary of Yom Kippur. Nothing changes. And if anything, I'd figure the subs preventing docking at those ports did it out of safety for the cruise passengers. So what's your take? You would be more in the know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Doc said: Iran as a country doesn't have $6B, or they don't physically have the $6B in (to them) found money the US just gave to them? Not that it would take anywhere close to $6B to fund Hamas. The $6 billion of Iran’s money that was part of the deal is in Doha and remains unused and not in the possession or control of Iran. Edited October 7, 2023 by ChiGoose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, sherpa said: Not sure what this this means. Submarines accompanying cruise ships have no military significance. The reality is as it has always been. Iran funds Hamas. Hamas runs this to the 50 year anniversary of Yom Kippur. Nothing changes. It means we cleared customs at Haifa, where I took pics of this golden dome of some religious group with an amazing garden on the hillside from the top deck. And we never made it past customs. They turned us around because another war was starting then. I don't think it was a tribute to Old Notre Dame. Anywho, There were many ships being escorted. Do you believe hamas has subs? Do u think the Israeli ones are nuclear? "While our loyal faculty lie drunk on the barroom flloor...Rah,rah,rah" So this brings back memories when I subscribed to mad magazine. Sung to this melody: Cheer, Cheer for Spiro Today He can Unite the Whole USA Pollocks, Guineas, ***** and Greeks Impudent snobs and left wing freaks Should he lose then he can star in All in the Family! Edited October 7, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 8 hours ago, yall said: I think they're more likely to complain about the money we released to Iran, which likely funded a lot of this operation. I'm inclined to agree with them on that point. How long can you keep a fish in a wet hankie? 2 million people in a 140 Mike square area? 16 years is a long time. How could Israel NOT see this coming? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, T&C said: This isn't a war... and you know this how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: and you know this how? Because it's a prison break. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Because it's a prison break. zoom...splain. OK. took a while. Yes, they are definitely occupied. For many years. And they keep nibbling away further... Edited October 7, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: zoom...splain. I read somewhere that they busted out and the Hamas commander told the people basically you got a gun, leave, this is chance at an historic day. Yikes! Boy, that was festering. "...Gaza is one of the most densely packed places in the world, an isolated coastal enclave of almost 2 million people crammed into 140 square miles. Governed by Hamas, the territory is largely cut off from the rest of the world by an Israeli blockade of Gaza’s land, air and sea dating back to 2007. Egypt controls Gaza’s southern border crossing, Rafah. Israel has placed heavy restrictions on the freedom of civilian movement and controls the importation of basic goods into the narrow coastal strip. ..." How could that have possibly been a plan? To keep 2 million people imprisoned for 16 years? Of all nations... Israel! Edited October 7, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I read somewhere that they busted out and the Hamas commander told the people basically you got a gun, leave, this is chance at an historic day. Yikes! Boy, that was festering. "...Gaza is one of the most densely packed places in the world, an isolated coastal enclave of almost 2 million people crammed into 140 square miles. Governed by Hamas, the territory is largely cut off from the rest of the world by an Israeli blockade of Gaza’s land, air and sea dating back to 2007. Egypt controls Gaza’s southern border crossing, Rafah. Israel has placed heavy restrictions on the freedom of civilian movement and controls the importation of basic goods into the narrow coastal strip. ..." How could that have possibly been a plan? To keep 2 million people imprisoned for 16 years? Of all nations... Israel! Catholic with a decent enough standing to be a Godfather... Yes, but they're our path to Armegeddon. Praise the Lord! btw I'm Catholic with a decent enough standing to be a Godfather in a foreign country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Doc said: Then what precipitated the attack? "...The attacks by Hamas follow one of the deadliest periods in the Israeli-occupied West Bank in nearly two decades. The violence has been driven by frequent Israeli military raids in Palestinian towns and cities, which Israel has said are a necessary response to a rising number of attacks by Palestinian militants on Israelis. ..." And the MAGA people get their panties in a twist over government. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I read somewhere that they busted out and the Hamas commander told the people basically you got a gun, leave, this is chance at an historic day. Yikes! Boy, that was festering. "...Gaza is one of the most densely packed places in the world, an isolated coastal enclave of almost 2 million people crammed into 140 square miles. Governed by Hamas, the territory is largely cut off from the rest of the world by an Israeli blockade of Gaza’s land, air and sea dating back to 2007. Egypt controls Gaza’s southern border crossing, Rafah. Israel has placed heavy restrictions on the freedom of civilian movement and controls the importation of basic goods into the narrow coastal strip. ..." How could that have possibly been a plan? To keep 2 million people imprisoned for 16 years? Of all nations... Israel! What's happening now is truly horrific, the kind of pressure the people in Gaza have been put under though makes it feel as though Israel decided to huddle around a bomb. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: and you know this how? I'm not fat and sit in front of a computer all day but just a few clicks. Just a few internet clicks and it is pretty plain to see lol. I suppose you are one to always want to create controversy on The Internet because you are bored and don't have much going on in your life. The internet... where would you be without it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 minute ago, T&C said: I'm not fat and sit in front of a computer all day but just a few clicks. Just a few internet clicks and it is pretty plain to see lol. I suppose you are one to always want to create controversy on The Internet because you are bored and don't have much going on in your life. The internet... where would you be without it. yup. that's it. nailed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Warcodered said: What's happening now is truly horrific, the kind of pressure the people in Gaza have been put under though makes it feel as though Israel decided to huddle around a bomb. Like New Orleans before Katrina. 8 feet below sea level and the levees 10 feet to low. Yeah... I agree... What the ***** were they thinking. At least with a natural disaster it doesn't have a birth rate as a ticking time bomb! The kids rushing the border now were born there trapped. /smdh... Edited October 7, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Cooking for3. Not rice. Roast chicken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) You think Chicago is bad now? 😆 Just to put it into perspective. Gaza is 141 sq.miles. Chicago is 234 sq.miles. 16,000 people per square mile in Gaza. 12,000 in Chicago per square mile. Now... Imagine this. Holding the people in Chicago for 16 years with limited goods and services. And they share a border with Indiana which is basically Egypt🇪🇬 😆. You wanna live in Lake Forest, Illinois... OR Barrington... Have at it! Edited October 7, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: You think Chicago is bad now? 😆 Just to put it into perspective. Gaza is 141 sq.miles. Chicago is 234 sq.miles. 16,000 people per square mile in Gaza. 12,000 in Chicago per square mile. Now... Imagine this. Holding the people in Chicago for 16 years with limited goods and services. And they share a border with Indiana which is basically Egypt🇪🇬 😆. You wanna live in Lake Forest, Illinois... OR Barrington... Have at it! Lake forest. C'mon exile. This is Merica.... Edited October 7, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 You steal people's homes, their land, and enslave them in their own country for decades, where they, there parents, there grandparents, there great grand parents were born. Millions of people. What do you think is going to happen? People here are brainwashed. The idea that Israel is a peaceful country being attacked by terrorists is a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, Process said: You steal people's homes, their land, and enslave them in their own country for decades, where they, there parents, there grandparents, there great grand parents were born. Millions of people. What do you think is going to happen? People here are brainwashed. The idea that Israel is a peaceful country being attacked by terrorists is a joke. No doubt. trump is currently ahead in the polls. Rock on man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Process said: You steal people's homes, their land, and enslave them in their own country for decades, where they, there parents, there grandparents, there great grand parents were born. Millions of people. What do you think is going to happen? People here are brainwashed. The idea that Israel is a peaceful country being attacked by terrorists is a joke. Who has more rights, Palestinians in Israel or Jews in the majority of the Middle East countries? The fact that you believe that Israel has to be pure of spirit to be the clearly freer country for minorities and in most every way that Americans hold dear is simply dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Who has more rights, Palestinians in Israel or Jews in the majority of the Middle East countries? The fact that you believe that Israel has to be pure of spirit to be the clearly freer country for minorities and in most every way that Americans hold dear is simply dumb. Aren't Jews like Jets, Mets, & Nets fans? They historically never had a majority in any place until 1948. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Aren't Jews like Jets, Mets, & Nets fans? They historically never had a majority in any place until 1948. They definitely had the majority in the middle of the Middle East 2000 years ago. But you are correct with that middle millennia or so, if you want to count it😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wacka Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: How long can you keep a fish in a wet hankie? 2 million people in a 140 Mike square area? 16 years is a long time. Sounds like Manhattan toe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wacka said: Sounds like Manhattan toe. Except Manhattan doesn't have limited goods & services. Manhattan basically has unlimited goods & services. 😏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Aren't Jews like Jets, Mets, & Nets fans? They historically never had a majority in any place until 1948. Why leave out the Giants, Islanders and Rangers? The tribe Edited October 8, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Doc said: And if anything, I'd figure the subs preventing docking at those ports did it out of safety for the cruise passengers. So what's your take? You would be more in the know. Not sure. There is no reason to escort a cruise ship with a submarine. You can simply deny them port entry. End of story. Further, I'm not sure how a cruise ship gets to Jerusalem, but that's another issue. It would have to dock away from the city and have folks transported over land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, sherpa said: Not sure. There is no reason to escort a cruise ship with a submarine. You can simply deny them port entry. End of story. Further, I'm not sure how a cruise ship gets to Jerusalem, but that's another issue. It would have to dock away from the city and have folks transported over land. Yes, we had to drive to Jerusalem in a bus. Kinda what they do on cruises. We made land in Haifa and they turned us around after clearing customs. What’s so difficult to comprehend? In whatever port we stopped to visit Jerusalem they turned us around before we hit customs. There were f’n missiles blowing up. It’s insane. so @sherpa do they have nuc subs in Israel? Pakistan? India? Iran? Korea? Australia ? Who did they buy them from? Should we want a rational, clever, stable prez to guide us? Geez this is real life “Risk”… Edited October 8, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 28 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: so @sherpa do they have nuc subs in Israel? Pakistan? India? Iran? Korea? Australia ? Who did they buy them from? Should we want a rational, clever, stable prez to guide us? Geez this is real life “Risk”… I don't do homework here. You can find that out yourself. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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