ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 People talk about Allen having a shortened career, but Burrow takes more hits in the pocket than I’ve seen since David Carr. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Allen didn't get the injury benefit of the doubt when he had an injury to his throwing elbow, which is more significant than a calf injury. Its not like Burrow can't walk or something out there. Not saying legs are not important to a QB, saying Allens injury was more impactful than Burrows yet all the talk was Allen is regressing, not that the injury could be impacting him. Difference is that Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers, and Herbert have the arm talent to sling it without using their lower body. UCL on guys who don’t have to use their lower body can be more impactful. Either way they have to change the kinematics of their throwing motion which leads to issues. That said, JA17 should have gotten the benefit of the doubt, but certain folks in the media wanted to maintain predraft narratives for some reason. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, julian said: Maybe this year Allen’s defense will give up 19 PPG in the postseason like Burrow has enjoyed in his playoff career and not the 29 PPG that Allen has had to overcome. Some People are simpletons. Way over simplified with that stat. (FYI it’s more like 22 pts for the Bengals D) The fact is 3 years ago Allen and the O wasn’t ready, 2 years ago it was the coach who lost that game. Last year the entire team stunk against the Bengals, it wasn’t even as close as the score ended up. Point is simple like it or not QBs are considered as good as the team has been around then. The Bills have fallen short the last 2 years of expectations while the Bengals have surprised them.. This Burrows gets the benefit of the doubt with the talking heads.. I think the calf is really bothering him and his ability to throw a good ball. Last year it wasn’t just Allen that looked off, the entire team did.. no one looked good week 17 and on… I think that’s also why people are waiting to see if the Bills fall apart again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Way over simplified with that stat. (FYI it’s more like 22 pts for the Bengals D) The fact is 3 years ago Allen and the O wasn’t ready, 2 years ago it was the coach who lost that game. Last year the entire team stunk against the Bengals, it wasn’t even as close as the score ended up. Point is simple like it or not QBs are considered as good as the team has been around then. The Bills have fallen short the last 2 years of expectations while the Bengals have surprised them.. This Burrows gets the benefit of the doubt with the talking heads.. I think the calf is really bothering him and his ability to throw a good ball. Last year it wasn’t just Allen that looked off, the entire team did.. no one looked good week 17 and on… I think that’s also why people are waiting to see if the Bills fall apart again. That’s the point, saying Burrow has gone further in playoffs is the reasons for differing opinions of Allen and Burrow is over simplified. That’s why I refer to those people as simpletons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 40 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: People talk about Allen having a shortened career, but Burrow takes more hits in the pocket than I’ve seen since David Carr. He gets pounded, often 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 2:18 AM, Alphadawg7 said: Uh oh…trouble in paradise? Lol. I caught heat here for saying Burrow was overrated and that Bengals won’t win their division this past offseason. Let see if the media treats Chase the same way they treated Diggs this off-season who actually seems pissed from actual games being played. Let’s see if the media covers Burrows struggles over the whole season so far as harshly as they did Allen over just 1 game. Fair to see if they latch onto the Chase drama. But I think the media is already kinda killing Burrow. The only caveat is everyone is saying if he is not healthy he should sit and because there is still this cloud over his health status it is hard to know how much that has played a part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: People talk about Allen having a shortened career, but Burrow takes more hits in the pocket than I’ve seen since David Carr. Yep. Their offensive line has been woeful for years. In 2021 I think they had the wordt offensive line I have ever seen make a Superbowl. And in the end it was that line that cost them the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Their offensive line has been woeful for years. In 2021 I think they had the wordt offensive line I have ever seen make a Superbowl. And in the end it was that line that cost them the game. 51 times he was sacked that SB year. I don’t think we’ll see an anomaly like that for a long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Their offensive line has been woeful for years. In 2021 I think they had the wordt offensive line I have ever seen make a Superbowl. And in the end it was that line that cost them the game. But they looked all pro-bowl level vs. the Bills last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Joe set the bar impossibly high by beating the king in his house and advancing to the SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: 51 times he was sacked that SB year. I don’t think we’ll see an anomaly like that for a long time. They made that Superbowl a bit by luck to be honest. Mahomes sucked in the second half of the AFCCG. Yes Cincy did some good things on defense but Mahomes played poorly. Just as well for our 4 in a row record or else KC would already have equalled it. 15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: But they looked all pro-bowl level vs. the Bills last year. The Bills didn't show up in that playoff game. Nobody should take anything at all from that game other than the Bills completely laid an egg. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They made that Superbowl a bit by luck to be honest. Mahomes sucked in the second half of the AFCCG. Yes Cincy did some good things on defense but Mahomes played poorly. Just as well for our 4 in a row record or else KC would already have equalled it. The Bills didn't show up in that playoff game. Nobody should take anything at all from that game other than the Bills completely laid an egg. Mahomes was beyond bad and they blew it just before the half. As for Buffalo, the whole second half of the season despite the record just seemed off. Add to that the weather, off field issues, Demar just made things worse. Can go back and see countless threads discussing it and many scoffed at. As bad as the D was vs. Cincy, Allen and offense was nearly as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Mahomes was beyond bad and they blew it just before the half. As for Buffalo, the whole second half of the season despite the record just seemed off. Add to that the weather, off field issues, Demar just made things worse. Can go back and see countless threads discussing it and many scoffed at. As bad as the D was vs. Cincy, Allen and offense was nearly as bad. The second half of the season the Bills didn't play their best football. But they didn't play any football against Cincy in the playoff. And even if people want to compare it to the regular season game where the defense struggled on the drive and a half we saw, the offense went right down the field on them and just couldn't punch it in. In the playoff game the Bills put in their very worst performance. It sucks but that is what happened. They were just flat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunvald's Husse Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 54 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: But they looked all pro-bowl level vs. the Bills last year. Did they really? As others have pointed out, the Bills were not at the races that day and it really didn't require that much to look good against us. I know Chase has been great for them but passing on Penei Sewell was a head-scratcher for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The second half of the season the Bills didn't play their best football. But they didn't play any football against Cincy in the playoff. And even if people want to compare it to the regular season game where the defense struggled on the drive and a half we saw, the offense went right down the field on them and just couldn't punch it in. In the playoff game the Bills put in their very worst performance. It sucks but that is what happened. They were just flat. Again discussed over and over, incredibly flat and coaches/coaching/playcalling didn't help. Let's hope November 5th (along with February 11, 2024) is circled on their calendars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: But they looked all pro-bowl level vs. the Bills last year. Vs the Bills backups and injured….. or do you not remember losing our 2 biggest offseason investments that were paid almost 30M last season between them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: Vs the Bills backups and injured….. or do you not remember losing our 2 biggest offseason investments that were paid almost 30M last season between them? And Cincy's line was held together by duct tape too. Old news, over and done with and the Bills just were not great from November on last year (forget their record) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) On 10/2/2023 at 10:43 AM, LabattBlue said: This 100%. Look no further than our own team. Except Diggs and was not complaining about not getting the ball. Josh himself said it wasn’t football related. Diggs was upset because Josh wasn’t handling his notoriety well. Too much outside noise in Josh’s life. Some of you can just gloss over the facts but Josh was being honest when he said it wasn’t football related. Josh has come in as a more mature person this season. He even said so. Love that Diggs took the bullets for Josh. Even after hearing it from Josh’s mouth, some still go after Diggs. 🤔 Edited October 4, 2023 by Dopey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 7 hours ago, julian said: That’s the point, saying Burrow has gone further in playoffs is the reasons for differing opinions of Allen and Burrow is over simplified. That’s why I refer to those people as simpletons. Lmao they have shows to make so they have to do something and over and or under react to everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 The Bengals effed up by not finding a solid backup QB this offseason. They should sit Burrow, but the cupboard is pretty bare. One could argue the Bills are in the same situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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