A Few Thoughts about the Raiders Game, in no particular order

[GottaRun]

Not game related, but the parking was a complete ****show.  All of the people with 9am parking were there by 8, those of us who don't park in stadium lots couldn't move an inch.  I sat on California for about 40 minutes going nowhere.  Worst parking experience I've had in 20 years.  

Edited September 18, 2023 by GottaRun

[WhoTom]

3 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

Dude,you have way too much time on your hands if you're gonna write these looooooong essays. As does anyone who bothers to read it.  C'mon, edit these down to several, readable posts...

 

Some of us have more than a Twitter-length attention span, and we appreciate the detailed posts by Virgil, Shaw, and a few others.

 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

My highlight of the day was Josh trying to hurdle the guy who was standing tall near the goal line. Needless to say, I don’t think that was how it played out in Josh’s mind in the moment.  Is it true he was a safety on Josh’s team in college? I guess he saw that one coming. 

 

Great to have a bounce back game like that. Get that first drive out of the way on D, and take what they give you on offense. 

 

That was the lowlight of the day. Allen should have lowered his shoulder and trucked him into the end zone.

 

Aside from that play, it was a perfect game and a perfect response after last week's debacle. I can't remember being so happy after a regular season win.

[RobbRiddick]

23 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

Dude,you have way too much time on your hands if you're gonna write these looooooong essays. As does anyone who bothers to read it.  C'mon, edit these down to several, readable posts...

wow, how slowly do you read? I can read all that in a few short minutes.

 

Do your lips move when you read?

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

Josh made comments that showed he was very aware of the social commentary from last week and almost felt like a frustrated "can we move past this now" kind of statement.

 

"Honest to God I didn't see any (media or fan) reaction after last week's game. I didn't look at anything, I didn't turn on TVs. I was just - the thing with this game, man, it gives you the lowest lows, it gives you the highest highs. But I love feeling how I felt last week. I really do. Because it makes the good feel that much better. It forces us to be better. And I want to be the best I can be playing this game and be the best quarterback I can be for this Buffalo Bills. So I take the bad with the good, I understand it. And I'm just trying to let it fuel me and use it to my benefit."

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

7 - Defensive Line - It only took 6 years, but do we finally have the defensive line we've been waiting for under McD?  Floyd is an absolute monster.  Groot is starting to live up to his first round status.  Oliver hasn't gotten home yet, but you can see the impact. 

I'm really excited about this. Phillips, of course, only plays well when he's in a Bills uniform, so he's been an impact guy too.

Now if they can stay healthy and then Von comes back ....

[Virgil]

13 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

wow, how slowly do you read? I can read all that in a few short minutes.

 

Do your lips move when you read?

 

Okay, I'll admit it, that one got me.  Well done

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

Great write up.

 

What impressed me most about this game, other than Josh's ability to calm down and just play conservative, was the running back stable.

 

We have 3 impressive backs, each equipped to handle different situations.  

 

You have a power back/beast in Murray.  A grinder in Harris, and a speedy, take it to the house back in Cook.

 

This group is good.   Damn good.  Super versatility and it will pay off in the passing game.  And a hats off to the OL for making it possible.

 

Excited.

We need to mix the run game up like that all year. Show them different looks and different RB styles.  Take the short passes and watch how quick opposing defenses come out of cover 2.  The deep throws will be there as the season progresses. 

[corta765]

1 hour ago, GottaRun said:

Not game related, but the parking was a complete ****show.  All of the people with 9am parking were there by 8, those of us who don't park in stadium lots couldn't move an inch.  I sat on California for about 40 minutes going nowhere.  Worst parking experience I've had in 20 years.  

What time did you finally park? We left at 8:30 with the goal of parking in the fieldhouse lot and it was relatively fine as we parked by 9:30 which isn't super unusual time wise.

 

Also the news hyped it up parking being bad that it seemed like so many people go there early it back logged everything

Edited September 18, 2023 by corta765

[Blackbeard]

1 hour ago, Herb Nightly said:

Dude,you have way too much time on your hands if you're gonna write these looooooong essays. As does anyone who bothers to read it.  C'mon, edit these down to several, readable posts...

Really man?  cmon.

 

I look forward to Virgil's post game recaps.

 

Maybe he can email you cliff notes.

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Really man?  cmon.

 

I look forward to Virgil's post game recaps.

 

Maybe he can email you cliff notes.

I don’t know that I could do it monosyllabic 

[Blackbeard]

16 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I don’t know that I could do it monosyllabic 

 

The old adage:  No good deed goes unpunished is fitting here.

 

Thanks for your posts.

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

Great write up.

 

What impressed me most about this game, other than Josh's ability to calm down and just play conservative, was the running back stable.

 

We have 3 impressive backs, each equipped to handle different situations.  

 

You have a power back/beast in Murray.  A grinder in Harris, and a speedy, take it to the house back in Cook.

 

This group is good.   Damn good.  Super versatility and it will pay off in the passing game.  And a hats off to the OL for making it possible.

 

Excited.

 

And they all can catch the ball fairly well out of the backfield at minimum...none of them look awkward running pass routes.

[biggerdaddynj]

4 hours ago, Virgil said:

Growing up as a kid, you remember those moments where your parents saying they were disappointed in you was sometimes worse than any real punishment.  Until I had a kid of my own, I always wondered if that was an intention form of mind game that parents did when they realized standard punishment wasn't getting the job done.  As my daughter gets older, and her actions and behaviors become more intentional, I see more and more what she's capable of, versus when she is just figuring out life.  With that, your expectations as a parent changes and you know when to be supportive versus critical.  You learn when to let them fail, push them, or challenge them on decisions.  It's an interesting dynamic that leads to you making the same comments to your kid that you hated when you were younger of "you'll understand when you are older."

 

1 - Conservative Josh - If you could write a script for what you needed to see from Josh after what was arguably his worst game as an NFL star, the Raiders game was it.  It started with an opening drive that was so vanilla, that I almost wonder if it wasn't called intentionally to make sure Josh understood the message for the game.  After the game, Josh made comments that showed he was very aware of the social commentary from last week and almost felt like a frustrated "can we move past this now" kind of statement.  Josh had a TD to Shakir that made me audibly gasp, but was pretty tame for the rest of the game.  Now, by tame, I mean he didn't have his normal Superman plays or moments where you held your breath because Josh might hurt himself.  He did have one hurdle, that ended with a smile and a helmet grab, but I'll let that one slide.  Instead, Josh played a game with a high completion percentage, waited for the defense to adjust to his play while also fearing what he's capable of, and went on to beat down an inferior team.  The Raiders defense isn't the Jets and we had the lead midway though the 2nd quarter, so there was no need to press.  So, for me, this doesn't mean all is forgiven.  I've been as big a Josh fan as anyone.  I have 5 different jerseys for Josh and appreciate he's the best thing to happen to WNY in over 20 years.  But with that, comes a much higher expectation.  I still need to see Josh keep calm under pressure, when losing, or when the team isn't rallying around him.  If we want that ring, I need to see him be that guy consistently.  We need 13 seconds Josh.  The Raiders game was a good step in that direction and showed that Josh didn't feel like he had to come out an prove a point that Superman Josh is the only way to win.

 

2 - What's a good rotation? - I can't believe I'm going to say this because I hate rotations at positions.  I feel like NFL players need to find their groove and big rotations take up active roster spots on game days.  Also, I don't want to come off like Cook didn't have a great day yesterday, because he absolutely did.  But man, the acceleration that Murray showed behind the line and the power getting low that Harris showed was really impressive yesterday.  I don't know what the answer is here, but I wanted to see more of Murray yesterday.  I almost feel like should use Harris at the goal line (which they did), but rotate Cook and Murray 2-1, with Cook still being the 3rd down back on Murray's series.  We have a very diverse half back room, and I love it.  I almost would like to see Murray out there with Cook, maybe as a blocker from time to time.  Just really give the opposing defense some looks.  Either way, this might be our best running back group in quite a while.

 

3 - Middle zone defense - Before the game was in hand, the Raiders had a few passes to the middle of the field, right where a certain MLB use to cover, and I remember thinking it was going to be a long day.  However, after those first two drives, I never though about it again.  I'm not here to say that Bernard is the answer.  Bernard had a great interception that I initially thought was Benford (Bernard is that small), and overall has done a solid job in not making me think about his existence out there.  That's not meant to be an insult, but if you aren't going to be a super star, the next best compliment I can give is that you didn't do anything to be a liability.  Long story short, through two games, do we really feel like we miss Edmunds?  We still have a long way to go and I know McD is handling that area of the field in a variety of ways, but so far, so good to me.  

 

4 - Yeah, I'm goin' back to that shack way across that railroad track,

Uh huh, that's where I think I belong.

And that's where I'm gonna make my happy home.

 

5 - Scripted plays - Remember the old Malarkey days when we would score every single time to open a game?  Of course, we couldn't score after that to save our lives, but it was still a cool streak.  The Raiders absolutely crushed us with their scripted plays on the first two drives, creating that uneasy feeling for me on the couch.  Most of the plays were some form of misdirection, that also make me worry that we were out of position and not prepare for this game.  Now, that all went away after that second drive and life was good.  But I feel like the scripted plays, at the start of both halves, is not something that Dorsey has figured out yet.  We've had two sluggish starts so far, and I'm really hoping this is something we can turn around with the difficult schedule we have coming up.

 

6 - Red Zone - Again, this is going to sound negative for a team that scored 38 points and was 75% in the red zone, but did anyone else feel like we made it a lot harder on ourselves than we needed to?  Granted, most of our goal line drives started around the 10, which is a fair consideration.  With that, the Davis and Shakir TD's weren't exactly easy, and the missed touchdown seemed way more complicated than it needed to be.  I get it, gimmick plays and misdirection are great if they work, and stupid if they don't.  But it does feel like we are behind the curve here still.

 

7 - Defensive Line - It only took 6 years, but do we finally have the defensive line we've been waiting for under McD?  Floyd is an absolute monster.  Groot is starting to live up to his first round status.  Oliver hasn't gotten home yet, but you can see the impact.  McD even has them running stunts!  While it may not show up in the stat column for sacks, our pass rush has been fantastic so far, and we don't even have Von back.  The only thing I found surprising was AJ out there instead of Groot on some obvious passing third downs.  AJ did great, just wasn't what I was expecting.  If you had to make a list of the positions that win championships, I would argue that getting pressure with your front four is in the top 3 and we are nailing it so far.  Our line was the third best part of this game to me.

 

8 - 3rd quarter close out - I know I just talked about our lack of scripted plays, also referring to how we come out in the second half, as an opportunity.  However, I have to give credit for the 3rd quarter drive that sucked up half the clock.  You want to talk about imposing our will?  That drive was painful if you're a Raiders fan and I would argue led to Cook's big rush to end the game.  We absolutely gassed the Raiders defense in a way that we haven't seen here in a long time. There's been moments of it over the years, but this felt more intentional and well within our capacities as an offense.  Doing this against a Cincy, KC, or Miami team will be huge for us.  Keeps the other offense off the field, kills the clock and morale.  That drive might was the second best part of this game for me.  

 

9 - Rush Defense - Now for the real MVP of this game.  Listening to the pregame report, the Raiders ran more 21 personnel than any other team in week one and they brought with them the 2022 rushing champ.  We held him to negative yards.  Let that sink it.  The Bills defense held the best running back in the league last season to negative yards in this game.  No Edmunds, down early, and heavy packages galore, and McD and the defense all showed up.  That is a message sent to the entire league and something I hope our guys take a lot of pride in. 

 

10 - Milano - I'm really hoping Milano doesn't get randomly drug tested or we find out that someone John Wick'd his dog.  Milano is playing like an angry, angry man out there.  That wasn't just another interception Milano had.  That was a man who was willing to rip the head off another player to get an interception.  I mean, c'mon now.  If you can't get excited about that interception, you might want to check your pulse.  Milano is playing like a man possessed out there and I love it.  I'm already a Milano homer, but he has really stepped it up a level this so far.  I can't wait to see his final season stat line at this rate.

 

 

Overall, good game against a sub .500 team, but a needed performance by many.  I expect the same next week before Miami comes to town.  I'm very curious to see if Elam gets activated for that game, as he is truly our fastest DB and can somewhat keep up with Waddle or Hill.  Either way, should be fun.

Go Bills!

Nice post, bro.  For me, #2 was really what I noticed the most yesterday.  Against the Jets with a 13-3 halftime lead, all we needed to do was give ‘em a nice dose of Ground Chuck (lite) with a couple of FGs and we win.  Unfortunately, as much as I enjoy Cooks and look forward to seeing him continue to develop into a dynamic player, his style of running isn’t suited to the physical run out the clock, no-Josh Allen leaps for five yards 😉, he’s a guy who thrives on trying to juke or cutback to get to the edge or a gap and off to the race.  He cannot pound the ball up the middle when other teams know it’s coming (or even if they don’t, it’s not his skillset).

 

In sharp contrast, as much as I chuckled at the Latavius Murray signing, watching him play yesterday and get those tough yards everyone knew we were going for (and a TD later) made me appreciate his value.  Same thing goes for Damien Harris, more power.  Now Dorsey needs to build on that foundation and we have a team capable of grinding out games we’re ahead and need to eat clock or the other games where we need physical running to open up Cook or PA passing (and with this schedule we’ll need to be physical can’t rely on Josh’s cape as much as I love to see him in action—he’s playing Russian Roulette).  
 

Proof to us all that it’s a work in progress, patience grasshopper!!

[Norcalbillsfan]

Agree with this write up. Especially the RB room, I said after the jets game that we will see more RB committee. And I think we will see it even more next week.

 

I was at the titans game last year and saw Henry next to josh and didn't think Henry looked as massive as I expected. But I made it to this game, and Murray is an absolute monster of a human being. He just looks intimidating lining up in the backfield.

[GottaRun]

2 hours ago, corta765 said:

What time did you finally park? We left at 8:30 with the goal of parking in the fieldhouse lot and it was relatively fine as we parked by 9:30 which isn't super unusual time wise.

 

Also the news hyped it up parking being bad that it seemed like so many people go there early it back logged everything

Got to the area around 8:20 - first time in my life I drove down Milestrip and turned left onto California, never doing that again. 

 

Was stuck on California for a good 40 minutes and barely moved.  When I got to SouthWestern and saw the traffic I decided to turn away from it and parked way up at an auto shop (Team Pro).  About 5,000 steps to Hammers.  So probably an hour in traffic, which I've never had for a home opener. 

 

I'm going back to my old parking spot on Big Tree, I've never waited more than 10 minutes to get to that one.  I don't think I'm used to the team being popular and everyone wanting to be there early.

[hondo in seattle]

4 hours ago, Success said:

More Murray!  More Harris!  

 

Cook is great, but for any north/south situations, Dorsey should use the other guys more.  Harris made a splash w/ every opportunity he had yesterday. I actually thought he might be RB1 heading into the season, and think he is being underutilized so far.

 

Great write-up & insights..

 

 

Cook was the quickest, most dynamic of the backs.  But I liked what I saw from all three.   This is the best I've felt about the RB position since Shady left.  

 

 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, WhoTom said:

 

Some of us have more than a Twitter-length attention span, and we appreciate the detailed posts by Virgil, Shaw, and a few others.

 

 

Give him credit for deleting it….

 

 

 

 

 

but we’ll NEVER forget  😹 

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

That was the lowlight of the day. Allen should have lowered his shoulder and trucked him into the end zone.

 

Aside from that play, it was a perfect game and a perfect response after last week's debacle. I can't remember being so happy after a regular season win.

I felt that was him have fun with his college Team mate and nothing more. An indulgence they both laughed about

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

I don’t know that I could do it monosyllabic 

We love you.
 Don't change a thing.

 

[without a drought]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Josh has to begin to recognize when guys are going to stay up to stop the leap, because he has the size just to drive those guys downfield.  Josh had the TD there if he had gone low.  

You got to give Josh a little freedom to try and jump over his former teammate. That one was personal.

 

Josh was on his best behavior for the rest of the game.