Caleb Williams - unreal player (and who will get him?)

[78thealltimegreat]

Williams can always go back to school he’s not a senior if it’s the Rams I think he goes pro playing in LA after being at USC fits perfectly. 
I honestly don’t know if he’d go pro if it’s Arizona as that organization is a crapfest 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

Couple thoughts..

 

Thank God he’s going to an NFC team where no other quality QBs seem to exist outside of Hurts. It’s incredible the bad luck we’ve had where we get our QB finally and then so does every other AFC power. 
 

Arizona announced they were tanking at the draft in April with that genius trade with Houston. They get 2 bites at the #1 pick with that move. They really could get Caleb and Harrison Jr. 
 

Kyler isn’t playing this year. They’ll trade him for sure but NBA teams do this too.. sit your best player and tank. Kyler will cost them losses so you can’t play him. He’s a bum anyways. 
 

The rams will try to lose also so I don’t think we’ll see much of kupp this year either. Their problem is they have to play Arizona twice this year and someone has to win. Unfortunately for them Arizona is just worse, but not by much. 
 

This is also why if you haven’t put money on the Niners at +10.5 wins, you’re throwing money away. They have their bye week plus essentially 4 more byes built in with their auto-wins against 2 teams actively tanking. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Williams is the real deal but don’t sleep on Maye, and there are several other good “consolation” prizes at QB this year.  This is a pretty good class.

[GunnerBill]

People keep talking about the Rams tanking. Are they really going to tank? I dunno just feels like that team is still too talented to really suck badly enough to get the #1 overall pick. 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

People keep talking about the Rams tanking. Are they really going to tank? I dunno just feels like that team is still too talented to really suck badly enough to get the #1 overall pick. 

How are they “too talented” other than an aging stafford, hurt kupp, and a 1 man defense? Go look at their roster. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a team with more UDFAs, etc. Go look at their schedule, they’re likely to start 2-8 at best before they get to play the other team tanking in Arizona. I think kupp and stafford get shut down after that. As someone else mentioned, there’s more than 1 qb in this draft and the rams actually finally have a 1st rounder this year so they got their chance now to replace stafford. 

[The Frankish Reich]

The Cards are the only team that is acting like they are tanking. So I gotta go with them.

[GunnerBill]

16 hours ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

How are they “too talented” other than an aging stafford, hurt kupp, and a 1 man defense? Go look at their roster. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a team with more UDFAs, etc. Go look at their schedule, they’re likely to start 2-8 at best before they get to play the other team tanking in Arizona. I think kupp and stafford get shut down after that. As someone else mentioned, there’s more than 1 qb in this draft and the rams actually finally have a 1st rounder this year so they got their chance now to replace stafford. 

 

They still have a decent OLine if they stay healthy, Stafford, Kupp, Higbee, Donald and two good safeties. 

 

I am not arguing they are good. There are definite weak spots on the roster but bad enough to be in the running for #1 overall? I mean without really trying to tank I am not sure I see it. 

[RobbRiddick]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They still have a decent OLine if they stay healthy, Stafford, Kupp, Higbee, Donald and two good safeties. 

 

I am not arguing they are good. There are definite weak spots on the roster but bad enough to be in the running for #1 overall? I mean without really trying to tank I am not sure I see it. 

I read that the rams have a huge number of rookies on the team, that's what seems to have started the tanking talk with them. 

[BobbyC81]

On 9/4/2023 at 9:52 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Name one great USC QB 🦗🦗🦗

 

Sam Darnold, Matt Barkley, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Rob Johnson 🤢 Carson Palmer being the only outlier and he wasn’t anything special either. 

 

I’m not sold. Have you watched any USC games lately? Guy has a literal brick wall in front of him every time he drops back. I’m not saying he won’t be great, but people were spouting this same crap about Trey Lance who’s now a backup on his 2nd team in 2 years. Almost every year there’s a massively talented freak QB like this (Mariota, Jamarcus Russell, Kyler Murray, Lance, Jake Locker, Jeff George? etc) who’s supposed to take the league by storm and be the next so & so, but they almost never pan out. For every Mahomes or Allen there’s a Marcus Mariota, Jake Locker, Kyle Murray, Jeff George, Vince Young, etc. 

 

And let’s not forget Rodney Peete, Todd Marijuanavich, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel

Edited September 6, 2023 by BobbyC81

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They still have a decent OLine if they stay healthy, Stafford, Kupp, Higbee, Donald and two good safeties. 

 

I am not arguing they are good. There are definite weak spots on the roster but bad enough to be in the running for #1 overall? I mean without really trying to tank I am not sure I see it. 

 

Gotta think Mcvay, stafford, kupp, donald can get you at least 5 wins.  They won 5 last year with all 3 of those guys missing time.  And starting random QBs like Mayfield and Wolford.  

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Gotta think Mcvay, stafford, kupp, donald can get you at least 5 wins.  They won 5 last year with all 3 of those guys missing time.  And starting random QBs like Mayfield and Wolford.  

 

Yea their overall roster is weaker than last year, they lost Wagner, Floyd and Ramsey. They also lost a couple of dependable mid tier guys like Allen Robinson, A'Shawn Robinson and Troy Hill. But last season not only did all those guys miss time they had lost both starting guards and their left tackle by week 6 and their safeties were banged up. 

 

I don't think the Rams are good but I agree with you that 5 or 6 wins feels like their floor unless they get seriously injury bitten again... and that won't be bad enough to pick #1. They could still be in position to take a QB, don't get me wrong. But I'd be surprised if it is Williams. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea their overall roster is weaker than last year, they lost Wagner, Floyd and Ramsey. They also lost a couple of dependable mid tier guys like Allen Robinson, A'Shawn Robinson and Troy Hill. But last season not only did all those guys miss time they had lost both starting guards and their left tackle by week 6 and their safeties were banged up. 

 

I don't think the Rams are good but I agree with you that 5 or 6 wins feels like their floor unless they get seriously injury bitten again... and that won't be bad enough to pick #1. They could still be in position to take a QB, don't get me wrong. But I'd be surprised if it is Williams. 

 

Yeah, some serious regression from guys like both robinsons too.  Allen robinson is in a decent spot now with johnson getting majority of targets, and pickens likely getting a lot of attention.  Still think he's lost a step though. 

[NewEra]

On 9/5/2023 at 4:56 AM, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Couple thoughts..

 

Thank God he’s going to an NFC team where no other quality QBs seem to exist outside of Hurts. It’s incredible the bad luck we’ve had where we get our QB finally and then so does every other AFC power. 
 

Arizona announced they were tanking at the draft in April with that genius trade with Houston. They get 2 bites at the #1 pick with that move. They really could get Caleb and Harrison Jr. 
 

Kyler isn’t playing this year. They’ll trade him for sure but NBA teams do this too.. sit your best player and tank. Kyler will cost them losses so you can’t play him. He’s a bum anyways. 
 

The rams will try to lose also so I don’t think we’ll see much of kupp this year either. Their problem is they have to play Arizona twice this year and someone has to win. Unfortunately for them Arizona is just worse, but not by much. 
 

This is also why if you haven’t put money on the Niners at +10.5 wins, you’re throwing money away. They have their bye week plus essentially 4 more byes built in with their auto-wins against 2 teams actively tanking. 

Spot on.  

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea their overall roster is weaker than last year, they lost Wagner, Floyd and Ramsey. They also lost a couple of dependable mid tier guys like Allen Robinson, A'Shawn Robinson and Troy Hill. But last season not only did all those guys miss time they had lost both starting guards and their left tackle by week 6 and their safeties were banged up. 

 

I don't think the Rams are good but I agree with you that 5 or 6 wins feels like their floor unless they get seriously injury bitten again... and that won't be bad enough to pick #1. They could still be in position to take a QB, don't get me wrong. But I'd be surprised if it is Williams. 

Looks like a few to choose from but my

money is on Drake Maye being the 2nd QB off the board.  It could be a very interesting qb class

[The Frankish Reich]

On 9/4/2023 at 10:52 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Name one great USC QB 🦗🦗🦗

 

Name one great NFL QB producing school.

Succeeding as an NFL QB is just too much of a crapshoot to say "just another USC QB." (Or whatever school you choose).

Here's an ESPN list of the best QB producing colleges:

 

https://www.on3.com/news/quarterback-u-espn-released-top-10-producing-schools-oklahoma-alabama-lsu-ohio-state/

 

Oklahoma is #1 because guys like Sam Bradford, Baker Mayfield, and Kyler Murray have definitely succeeded as NFL QBs. But Jalen Hurts is the only one who seems like he has a chance to become an elite NFL QB. 

 

Other colleges on the list are there because they've produced the likes of Justin Herbert (maybe a future elite) and Marcus Mariota (definitely a current journeyman) or Bryce Young (we'll see), Tua (same) and Mac Jones (we've seen enough I think).

 

And our great current/recently retired NFL QBs have come from Texas Tech, Wyoming, Cal, Michigan, Tennessee, Purdue, Louisville.

 

If we limit it to the 2000s, "Name one great [school name] QB" works for pretty much any college. 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea their overall roster is weaker than last year, they lost Wagner, Floyd and Ramsey. They also lost a couple of dependable mid tier guys like Allen Robinson, A'Shawn Robinson and Troy Hill. But last season not only did all those guys miss time they had lost both starting guards and their left tackle by week 6 and their safeties were banged up. 

 

I don't think the Rams are good but I agree with you that 5 or 6 wins feels like their floor unless they get seriously injury bitten again... and that won't be bad enough to pick #1. They could still be in position to take a QB, don't get me wrong. But I'd be surprised if it is Williams. 

Cardinals are getting the top pick but my point was that the rams are tanking too and are AWFUL. MCvay mentioned today kupp might go on IR. Like I said in this thread earlier, I don’t think they’ll play him this year. They’re going to tank too. Playing the somehow-even-worse cardinals though will cost them 2 losses and the overall top pick. 

[Kirby Jackson]

On 9/4/2023 at 12:52 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Name one great USC QB 🦗🦗🦗

 

Sam Darnold, Matt Barkley, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Rob Johnson 🤢 Carson Palmer being the only outlier and he wasn’t anything special either. 

 

I’m not sold. Have you watched any USC games lately? Guy has a literal brick wall in front of him every time he drops back. I’m not saying he won’t be great, but people were spouting this same crap about Trey Lance who’s now a backup on his 2nd team in 2 years. Almost every year there’s a massively talented freak QB like this (Mariota, Jamarcus Russell, Kyler Murray, Lance, Jake Locker, Jeff George? etc) who’s supposed to take the league by storm and be the next so & so, but they almost never pan out. For every Mahomes or Allen there’s a Marcus Mariota, Jake Locker, Kyle Murray, Jeff George, Vince Young, etc. 

Name the last great Texas Tech QB before Mahomes? Wyoming before Allen? Miami (OH) before Ben? That’s the stupidest argument in football. There is ZERO correlation.
 

If you don’t think that he will be good, fine. You’ll be wrong, but if you have football reasons, fine. If your reason is because he went to USC that’s stupid. If it’s because other highly-touted guys failed, that’s also stupid. There is zero correlation. He has ELITE traits and plays the exact style that the best players play currently. 

On 9/4/2023 at 8:57 PM, QLBillsFan said:

Fantastic player.I’d like to see him work on his sportsmanship and humility. He’s from the Deion school of class. Had F Utah and his nails.. meanwhile they butt kicked his team twice. But he’s young hopefully will mature. Doesn’t look like Deion will anytime soon. 

Lol, in 2023 do people really care about that? I care if they win, not if they graciously hand the ball to the official. Deion took a trash program, went on the road, and knocked off the National Runner-up. That’s what I want in a coach. I want winners. I don’t care how they act when they win. I also don’t care if NBA players have a dress code when they show up to a game.

Edited September 6, 2023 by Kirby Jackson

[mannc]

Apparently, Williams is threatening to stay in school if the Cardinals tank for him...unlike some guys in the past, that is a threat with some teeth behind it...thanks to NIL, Williams could make more than $5 million by staying another year at USC...    

[Mr. WEO]

On 9/4/2023 at 12:25 PM, SoCal Deek said:

May I suggest you look at his resume? 

 

 

It's pretty thin.  One fantastic season as a starter.  Ok Freshman performance. 

 

He is the top college QB hands down right now.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Name the last great Texas Tech QB before Mahomes? Wyoming before Allen? Miami (OH) before Ben. That’s the stupidest argument in football. There is ZERO correlation. If you don’t think that he will be good, fine. You’ll be wrong, but if you have football reasons, fine. If your reason is because he went to USC that’s stupid. If it’s because other highly-touted guys failed, that’s also stupid. There is zero correlation. He has ELITE traits and plays the exact style that the best players play currently. 

Lol, I’m 2023 so people really care about that? I care if they win, not if they graciously hand the ball to the official. Deion took a trash program, went on the road, and knocked off the National runner-up. That’s what I want in a coach. I want winners. I don’t care how they win. 

Every big time USC prospect busts. Name the amount of major Wyoming prospects ? USC has a QB drafted every few years and they all suck. Wyoming or TT don’t attract near the amount of 4 & 5 star recruits. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Every big time USC prospect busts. Name the amount of major Wyoming prospects ? USC has a QB drafted every few years and they all suck. Wyoming or TT don’t attract near the amount of 4 & 5 star recruits. 

Lol, one has nothing to do with the other!!! The PLAYER needs to be evaluated not PLAYERS THAT USED TO PLAY THERE!! This is so simple!! It remains the dumbest argument in sports. Don’t be so simple. 

 

I’m not going to appease your ridiculous argument but what kind of success have Lincoln Riley developed QBs had? That’s INFINITELY more relevant in this discussion. 

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Apparently, Williams is threatening to stay in school if the Cardinals tank for him...unlike some guys in the past, that is a threat with some teeth behind it...thanks to NIL, Williams could make more than $5 million by staying another year at USC...    

If that happened, he’d be, without question, the greatest college player ever. He already has a decent shot at a 2nd Heisman.