Ya Digg? Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Araiza Curse said: I want to spin this off from the Josh is lazy thread, and really debate this at face value. Let’s look at other QBs and their “work ethic” “talent abilities” and compare them to get a better idea of why. Let’s start with Tom Brady. Everyone here knows that Tom Brady is one of the least athletic QBs and yet he always had solid statistics and always knew where to place the ball. Everyone here knows that Josh Allen is one of the most athletic QBs. Josh has admitted he isn’t big into game film. But the more you dig into what it takes to be great, the more concerning that seems to be. How is it that Tom Brady can win so many super bowls with lower tier athleticism and arm strength and yet Josh Allen with his superior skill set has been unable to win even 1 Super Bowl? Tom Brady never really had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time outside of Moss, and yet he still always managed to keep the chains moving and put up points enough to win games. Josh Allen has had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time Diggs, and yet still unable to get over the hump. So I think questions around Allen’s “laziness” is warranted. Why should an elite talented QB be struggling more than a non elite talented QB? The only real difference is football IQ and studying the game to the point were you can attack and become a master despite not having elite traits. Maybe I’m wrong in this thinking, and others can chime in. But things do seem to not add up. How many times in how many threads do people have to mention Josh isn’t lazy and you’re still going to ignore it? He has never said he doesn’t watch film, he has said he doesn’t over watch film. You’re not having honest conversations with people, you’re on this weird kick though of ignoring what people are saying. most on here don’t mind statements against the team as long as it is backed up. Your statements are so full of conjecture there’s no way you are going for anything other than being a troll. Your posts have become the embodiment of the Billy Madison incoherent speech meme. At least try to have substance to your posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: I know Belichick is a defensive coach. But so is McD which is my point. Critiquing McD for being a d coach not winning a Super Bowl is an invalid argument. Who did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Because of wide right. Its a helluva curse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Who did? It’s been said so many times on this forum i lost count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Good lord, will this negative crap ever stop? Go post on the board of the team you really root for and leave this one alone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Araiza Curse said: It’s been said so many times on this forum i lost count. They are saying we haven’t gotten to a Super Bowl because our defensive coaching has let the opposition score too much, whereas Belichick’s teams did not. You really are clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 is that you Mr Whitlock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Araiza Curse said: So McD is the issue and not Allen then right? Bro…..there isn’t ONE issue. There have been several. Wake up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, NewEra said: Bro…..there isn’t ONE issue. There have been several. Wake up Whatever the issues are, there aren’t many people here that want to talk about it. Which is why other posters are ripping some posters here for being critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Araiza Curse said: Yeah I think there are interviews saying as much. You “think” ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: They are saying we haven’t gotten to a Super Bowl because our defensive coaching has let the opposition score too much, whereas Belichick’s teams did not. You really are clueless. We only scored 10 points. Unless the defense is good enough to stop the Bengals from scoring 11 points, it’s not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Araiza Curse said: I want to spin this off from the Josh is lazy thread, and really debate this at face value. Let’s look at other QBs and their “work ethic” “talent abilities” and compare them to get a better idea of why. Let’s start with Tom Brady. Everyone here knows that Tom Brady is one of the least athletic QBs and yet he always had solid statistics and always knew where to place the ball. Everyone here knows that Josh Allen is one of the most athletic QBs. Josh has admitted he isn’t big into game film. But the more you dig into what it takes to be great, the more concerning that seems to be. How is it that Tom Brady can win so many super bowls with lower tier athleticism and arm strength and yet Josh Allen with his superior skill set has been unable to win even 1 Super Bowl? Tom Brady never really had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time outside of Moss, and yet he still always managed to keep the chains moving and put up points enough to win games. Josh Allen has had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time Diggs, and yet still unable to get over the hump. So I think questions around Allen’s “laziness” is warranted. Why should an elite talented QB be struggling more than a non elite talented QB? The only real difference is football IQ and studying the game to the point were you can attack and become a master despite not having elite traits. Maybe I’m wrong in this thinking, and others can chime in. But things do seem to not add up. God this board is a joke right now, how many of these threads do we need spun off over people twisting words and over reacting to ridiculous click bait articles. HE did NOT say he isn't BIG into game film. That is not remotely what was said, this quest to spin that BS narrative is a joke. I feel like I am living in the movie Idiocracy right now with how poorly society interprets things and twists things into all kinds of crazy narratives daily. He said he does not over indulge to what a team has done in the past because those teams often do NOT play the Bills the same and if he over commits to a previous look its often wrong because they play Allen and this offense differently...and that is because Josh Allen is not like any other QB in the league to defend. The season cant start soon enough. So sick of all the people trying to force drama into every little thing that isn't there. I swear like 90% of the people over reacting to this probably didn't even listen to the 30 minute interview are making all these comments and threads on sensationalized click bait headlines and posts. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: Whatever the issues are, there aren’t many people here that want to talk about it. Which is why other posters are ripping some posters here for being critical. Bottom line. There are several reasons why we haven’t won a SB. Every reason has been discuss at length. Wth are you talking about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 So the OP takes a horrendous clickbait piece of trash by Whitlock then creates a red herring by somehow comparing film study between Brady and Allen. How dumb is this and how many hours until kickoff 9/11 so this stupidity stops at least temporarily? This has been the longest offseason I can recall because of stuff like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: God this board is a joke right now, how many of these threads do we need spun off over people twisting words and over reacting to ridiculous click bait articles. HE did NOT say he isn't BIG into game film. That is not remotely what was said, this quest to spin that BS narrative is a joke. I feel like I am living in the movie Idiocracy right now with how poorly society interprets things and twists things into all kinds of crazy narratives daily. He said he does not over indulge to what a team has done in the past because those teams often do NOT play the Bills the same and if he over commits to a previous look its often wrong because they play Allen and this offense differently...and that is because Josh Allen is not like any other QB in the league to defend. The season cant start soon enough. So sick of all the people trying to force drama into every little thing that isn't there. I swear like 90% of the people over reacting to this probably didn't even listen to the 30 minute interview are making all these comments and threads on sensationalized click bait headlines and posts. Dude was out the door for a few months and now that he’s back, he wants to ruffle feathers until his next vacation 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fan in Chicago Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: We only scored 10 points. Unless the defense is good enough to stop the Bengals from scoring 11 points, it’s not enough. You started off with the first post implyinh that if Josh studied more film , he would be as good as Brady and have already won Superbowls. That in itself was a shallow post devoid of much thought. Then when challenged, you kept moving the goal posts bouncing from lack of WR to MCD's coaching. At this point you are just flailing too stay afloat when people are calling you out for your lack of details and sound logic. In my 20+ years on this board, I haven't said this to many posters but I am going to channel the erstwhile DC Tom in me and say -you are an idiot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Araiza Curse said: How does one become the best at reading defenses? Magic? Game film review? Time. Brady when he first entered the league was told “just don’t screw it up!”. After 10 years Brady saw every possible defense. He also had an amazing football IQ like P Manning.. I don’t know how Allen’s is but not everyone is super smart in reading defenses most are well average at it. 8 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: We only scored 10 points. Unless the defense is good enough to stop the Bengals from scoring 11 points, it’s not enough. OMG! The Bills were gassed and it was obvious.. I mean it took a huge performance by the O to beat the Dolphins who had a THIRD string QB starting that game and it was at HOME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Araiza Curse said: I want to spin this off from the Josh is lazy thread, and really debate this at face value. Let’s look at other QBs and their “work ethic” “talent abilities” and compare them to get a better idea of why. Let’s start with Tom Brady. Everyone here knows that Tom Brady is one of the least athletic QBs and yet he always had solid statistics and always knew where to place the ball. Everyone here knows that Josh Allen is one of the most athletic QBs. Josh has admitted he isn’t big into game film. But the more you dig into what it takes to be great, the more concerning that seems to be. How is it that Tom Brady can win so many super bowls with lower tier athleticism and arm strength and yet Josh Allen with his superior skill set has been unable to win even 1 Super Bowl? Tom Brady never really had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time outside of Moss, and yet he still always managed to keep the chains moving and put up points enough to win games. Josh Allen has had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time Diggs, and yet still unable to get over the hump. So I think questions around Allen’s “laziness” is warranted. Why should an elite talented QB be struggling more than a non elite talented QB? The only real difference is football IQ and studying the game to the point were you can attack and become a master despite not having elite traits. Maybe I’m wrong in this thinking, and others can chime in. But things do seem to not add up. How hard was Dan Marino's work ethic? Edited September 2, 2023 by Buffalo03 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Araiza Curse said: I want to spin this off from the Josh is lazy thread, and really debate this at face value. Let’s look at other QBs and their “work ethic” “talent abilities” and compare them to get a better idea of why. Let’s start with Tom Brady. Everyone here knows that Tom Brady is one of the least athletic QBs and yet he always had solid statistics and always knew where to place the ball. Everyone here knows that Josh Allen is one of the most athletic QBs. Josh has admitted he isn’t big into game film. But the more you dig into what it takes to be great, the more concerning that seems to be. How is it that Tom Brady can win so many super bowls with lower tier athleticism and arm strength and yet Josh Allen with his superior skill set has been unable to win even 1 Super Bowl? Tom Brady never really had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time outside of Moss, and yet he still always managed to keep the chains moving and put up points enough to win games. Josh Allen has had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time Diggs, and yet still unable to get over the hump. So I think questions around Allen’s “laziness” is warranted. Why should an elite talented QB be struggling more than a non elite talented QB? The only real difference is football IQ and studying the game to the point were you can attack and become a master despite not having elite traits. Maybe I’m wrong in this thinking, and others can chime in. But things do seem to not add up. Matt Stafford was a loser that put up stats for his entire career minus one. Was he only not lazy in 1 year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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