Bermuda Triangle Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 As I'm sure noted football expert Chris Broussard can attest, there's been a leadership void at OBD since Taylor Lewan left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 5 hours ago, HOUSE said: I would say the team lacks mental and physical toughness Agreed. When things start going badly, they don't get corrected easily, or at all. It seems like when things start sliding, they just keep on sliding and all of the players and coaches look lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 5 hours ago, HOUSE said: I would say the team lacks mental and physical toughness It's so hard to judge this from the outside (the mental part) but I suspect and fear it may be true. I still fear that when things go bad, Josh gets anxious. Perhaps this is merely perception and not reality. Perhaps it's true but he's evolving and getting better. This season will be a good test of the team's toughness in the trenches and between the ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 16 hours ago, FireChans said: I'm growing increasingly concerned that the McD mutiny thing after 13 seconds may still be lingering. Not sure why. Team just has felt off. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Yes we are and it starts with the HC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 My guess is that the Bills have too many leaders, and not enough top dog Leaders. At least half a dozen players have the career resume, skills, and personality to be respected and listened to by the others. But every year there's a playoff game where no one single person steps up and tells the entire team to shape up, play like the're capable of, and let's go get this game won. The Bills took the lead against KC with 13 seconds to go, and no one stepped up to say, OK, this isn't over, let's play smart and play hard. We only need two or three good plays from the ST and D, and the game is ours. Instead everyone just figured, we're the mighty Bills, this is our year, and what could go wrong? The Cinci playoff game last season was shocking. How on earth could the Bills, who'd struggled all year to try for the top seed and now had a home playoff game, and who knew the Bengals O line was a mess, NOT pull it together and get out there and win? I think all the second tier leaders all figured the other guys would get people motivated When Damar Hamlin died (yes, for a short time, he was dead), Diggs tried to get everyone fired up, but he didn't read the room. The team was in shock, and no one was willing to get back in gear and play. I think Diggs was disappointed and embarrassed by that, and if there's a lingering problem between Diggs and the Bills it goes back to that. This is a case where no one was wrong. Diggs was intent on winning that game, and he thought the team could rally and put the bad start and Hamlin's injury behind them. He was right to want to try to do that. The rest of the team was also right, not to want to do that. So the problem as I see it is there is no top dog Leader. That person ought to be Josh Allen. When Brady was with the Pats, he made it a point to introduce himself to each player as they onboarded. Hi, I'm Tom Brady. Of course they knew who he was, but it was the way he went about it that made the rest of the team follow him. (The Pats problems since Brady left are probably as much due to the loss of him as a leader, as it is as an on-field QB.) As great a player as Josh is, I don't think he's making the effort to bring the team together. He's out there dating, making commercials, living the good life of a crazy wealthy, single young man. Who can blame him? I don't. But at the same time if he was willing to forgo some of those pleasures, the team would be tighter and better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I don’t know I still think there’s a place for a fiery leaders not everybody is the this is my job crowd. Tom Brady was legendary for calling out teammates in practice True Brady did. Was it effective? Don't know. I know he was not universally liked but was a great quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, Utah John said: My guess is that the Bills have too many leaders, and not enough top dog Leaders. At least half a dozen players have the career resume, skills, and personality to be respected and listened to by the others. But every year there's a playoff game where no one single person steps up and tells the entire team to shape up, play like the're capable of, and let's go get this game won. The Bills took the lead against KC with 13 seconds to go, and no one stepped up to say, OK, this isn't over, let's play smart and play hard. We only need two or three good plays from the ST and D, and the game is ours. Instead everyone just figured, we're the mighty Bills, this is our year, and what could go wrong? The Cinci playoff game last season was shocking. How on earth could the Bills, who'd struggled all year to try for the top seed and now had a home playoff game, and who knew the Bengals O line was a mess, NOT pull it together and get out there and win? I think all the second tier leaders all figured the other guys would get people motivated When Damar Hamlin died (yes, for a short time, he was dead), Diggs tried to get everyone fired up, but he didn't read the room. The team was in shock, and no one was willing to get back in gear and play. I think Diggs was disappointed and embarrassed by that, and if there's a lingering problem between Diggs and the Bills it goes back to that. This is a case where no one was wrong. Diggs was intent on winning that game, and he thought the team could rally and put the bad start and Hamlin's injury behind them. He was right to want to try to do that. The rest of the team was also right, not to want to do that. So the problem as I see it is there is no top dog Leader. That person ought to be Josh Allen. When Brady was with the Pats, he made it a point to introduce himself to each player as they onboarded. Hi, I'm Tom Brady. Of course they knew who he was, but it was the way he went about it that made the rest of the team follow him. (The Pats problems since Brady left are probably as much due to the loss of him as a leader, as it is as an on-field QB.) As great a player as Josh is, I don't think he's making the effort to bring the team together. He's out there dating, making commercials, living the good life of a crazy wealthy, single young man. Who can blame him? I don't. But at the same time if he was willing to forgo some of those pleasures, the team would be tighter and better. Great post, although I believe where Buffalo is missing the necessary leadership goes a step higher. Allen looked lost vs Cinci IMO. Where was Ken Dorsey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 36 minutes ago, Utah John said: My guess is that the Bills have too many leaders, and not enough top dog Leaders. At least half a dozen players have the career resume, skills, and personality to be respected and listened to by the others. But every year there's a playoff game where no one single person steps up and tells the entire team to shape up, play like the're capable of, and let's go get this game won. The Bills took the lead against KC with 13 seconds to go, and no one stepped up to say, OK, this isn't over, let's play smart and play hard. We only need two or three good plays from the ST and D, and the game is ours. Instead everyone just figured, we're the mighty Bills, this is our year, and what could go wrong? The Cinci playoff game last season was shocking. How on earth could the Bills, who'd struggled all year to try for the top seed and now had a home playoff game, and who knew the Bengals O line was a mess, NOT pull it together and get out there and win? I think all the second tier leaders all figured the other guys would get people motivated When Damar Hamlin died (yes, for a short time, he was dead), Diggs tried to get everyone fired up, but he didn't read the room. The team was in shock, and no one was willing to get back in gear and play. I think Diggs was disappointed and embarrassed by that, and if there's a lingering problem between Diggs and the Bills it goes back to that. This is a case where no one was wrong. Diggs was intent on winning that game, and he thought the team could rally and put the bad start and Hamlin's injury behind them. He was right to want to try to do that. The rest of the team was also right, not to want to do that. So the problem as I see it is there is no top dog Leader. That person ought to be Josh Allen. When Brady was with the Pats, he made it a point to introduce himself to each player as they onboarded. Hi, I'm Tom Brady. Of course they knew who he was, but it was the way he went about it that made the rest of the team follow him. (The Pats problems since Brady left are probably as much due to the loss of him as a leader, as it is as an on-field QB.) As great a player as Josh is, I don't think he's making the effort to bring the team together. He's out there dating, making commercials, living the good life of a crazy wealthy, single young man. Who can blame him? I don't. But at the same time if he was willing to forgo some of those pleasures, the team would be tighter and better. That's just horrible speculation on your part 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Ok, here’s the breakdown: If the defense stinks, you’ll know. Right, just like we know who was ultimately responsible for "13 Seconds." LOL Season's right around the corner, cuts on Tuesday. The day approacheth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I think the Bills are lacking high end talent. McDermott wouldn't be my cup of tea to listen to and practice to every day, and really needs to learn that prevent defense against QBs in 2023 doesn't work anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) These NFL analysts just aren’t even trying anymore lol the bills lack leadership because they haven’t won a Super Bowl? Nick wright is a clown also but that’s well documented and he at least does it on purpose 😂. His chiefs are a coin flip away from being 0-3 in their last 3 against the bills all at arrowhead. I have been a nuggets fan since the Carmelo to the knicks trade and it was glorious listening to nick wright talk sh*t about the nuggets all playoffs and then be completely wrong when they won the championship haha Edited August 25, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Right, just like we know who was ultimately responsible for "13 Seconds." LOL Season's right around the corner, cuts on Tuesday. The day approacheth. No. Not like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Just now, NewEra said: No. Not like that. Ahh, then like how we know that our defense is great even though we're low end in the playoffs. Perhaps like that maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Ahh, then like how we know that our defense is great even though we're low end in the playoffs. Perhaps like that maybe. No, not like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, NewEra said: No, not like that Got it then, by your definition. No need reply "no, not like that then." Edited August 25, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Leaders change culture. The drought lasted 17 years. The last six years have seen a complete franchise turnaround. Those who equate leadership with winning the AFC Championship and SB are flat out wrong. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Got it then, by your definition. No need reply "no, not like that then." Obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Quarterback questioning the coach. The last playoff game they were in they were blown out. Clearly New England has leadership issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 20 hours ago, NewEra said: Obviously Thank you! Now was that hard. Back to my original point, somewhat subjective then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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