ngbills Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 We sucked. No sugar coating it. Our starters were worse than Steelers starters and back ups. Josh was quickly bailing the pocket even when OL blocked. Cook could not hit the holes. The play calling only worked on kick slants. Everything else was a mess. The D could not stop anything. Special teams sucked. A bazillion penalties. This was a classic stinker. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 Just now, ngbills said: We sucked. No sugar coating it. Our starters were worse than Steelers starters and back ups. Josh was quickly bailing the pocket even when OL blocked. Cook could not hit the holes. The play calling only worked on kick slants. Everything else was a mess. The D could not stop anything. Special teams sucked. A bazillion penalties. This was a classic stinker. Yeah not a great night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 October 9, 2022 Bills 38, Steelers 3. I'm sure Tomlin didn't have to "remind" his team of that embarrassment. It was a meaningless preseason game for the Bills but probably had a bit more meaning to the Steelers. 4 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: 2. Cook dancing too much Pass protection for a RB is a learned skill. It will take some time before he becomes proficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 Just now, Old Coot said: Pass protection for a RB is a learned skill. It will take some time before he becomes proficient. I was talking about him running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senth Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Dawkins needs to take a good long look ...... disappointed. Murray .... Harris ..... Cook that should be the depth order. Harris would be 1st if healthy. Cook is better coming in off the bench right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Few items: 1. Agree with your takes, especially on OL. @Ralonzoalso put out a thorough/fantastic analysis. Some correctable adjustments to be had on OL, but also with Josh/Cook reading blocks. 2. Penalties: the false starts are inexcusable, but I didn't think the holding penalties were called consistently at all. Case in point, Steelers first 3rd down conversion, I thought Groot was held. Best way to eliminate potential hold calls, is a better quick passing attack. Too many long developing plays, which was a Dorsey/Daboll trait (more Dorsey). Again, this is an adjustment to learn from and adjust (Dorsey/Josh). 3. 2nd Steeler TD: I saw it different than Milano in coverage. I thought he was pointing to Dodson to get a better drop/depth to Pat coming down the seam. But either way it looked like a blown coverage. Communication is expected to be an adjustment, with a new Mike LB beside Matt. But I'm all for seeing what Bernard has to offer. At the very least, Rapp/Neal look much better than Dodson or Klein right now. I'd find a way to go dime on 3rd/obvious passing downs. Dodson is what he is, same with Klein, I'd expect alot of teams to attack them in coverage. Dodson looked worse this week than expected. 4. Young OL: VanDeMark at LT, looks better than Q at right. Broeker and Anderson also look to have potential. I'm wondering if Q isn't a safe bet to make the team anymore, even with Doyle out and Shell retiring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Yeah didn’t bring up the penalties but that’s just ridiculous. Guys need to start getting benched. I can see guys dropping and giving me 50 during TV timeouts. Or running laps after a flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Good assessments I’ll have to rewatch but I just remember the awful holding call Spencer had when only Josh Allen can hit a 35 yard laser on 3rd and 24 and it got called back. The guard play was surprisingly good especially against the Steelers front 7 but Dawkins was terrible. Listening to his comments I think he realizes if he plays like that he’s officially on borrowed time in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Senth said: Dawkins needs to take a good long look ...... disappointed. Murray .... Harris ..... Cook that should be the depth order. Harris would be 1st if healthy. Cook is better coming in off the bench right now. Wow Cook will start and gain over 1000 yards this year. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nuncha said: October 9, 2022 Bills 38, Steelers 3. I'm sure Tomlin didn't have to "remind" his team of that embarrassment. It was a meaningless preseason game for the Bills but probably had a bit more meaning to the Steelers. This is actually what I was thinking. I didn’t want Josh to play because of it, I was afraid of them going after him. Thank you old man for a more balanced write up and review. i know I’ve never seen the bills play a bad first quarter and then dominate the rest of the game lol. The difference last night? The starters got pulled. After that I don’t care what happened. also did they game plan? Did the players sleep walk through a meaningless preseason game so they don’t get hurt? Too many variables to put any stock into this game! how do you judge anything in a preseason game? i will just sit back and laugh at everyone going for the razor blades. Edited August 20, 2023 by 4th&long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 hours ago, MasterStrategist said: Few items: 1. Agree with your takes, especially on OL. @Ralonzoalso put out a thorough/fantastic analysis. Some correctable adjustments to be had on OL, but also with Josh/Cook reading blocks. 2. Penalties: the false starts are inexcusable, but I didn't think the holding penalties were called consistently at all. Case in point, Steelers first 3rd down conversion, I thought Groot was held. Best way to eliminate potential hold calls, is a better quick passing attack. Too many long developing plays, which was a Dorsey/Daboll trait (more Dorsey). Again, this is an adjustment to learn from and adjust (Dorsey/Josh). 3. 2nd Steeler TD: I saw it different than Milano in coverage. I thought he was pointing to Dodson to get a better drop/depth to Pat coming down the seam. But either way it looked like a blown coverage. Communication is expected to be an adjustment, with a new Mike LB beside Matt. But I'm all for seeing what Bernard has to offer. At the very least, Rapp/Neal look much better than Dodson or Klein right now. I'd find a way to go dime on 3rd/obvious passing downs. Dodson is what he is, same with Klein, I'd expect alot of teams to attack them in coverage. Dodson looked worse this week than expected. 4. Young OL: VanDeMark at LT, looks better than Q at right. Broeker and Anderson also look to have potential. I'm wondering if Q isn't a safe bet to make the team anymore, even with Doyle out and Shell retiring. I have read the same about those three young O-line guys from a few different posters on this board, hope they continue to show well in the last preseason game and make the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 It's not as bad as it seemed, but there's definitely work to do. If I'm McDermott though, I play the starting o line this week at the bearsnforna quarter. Gotta get the bad taste out of their mouths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: Come on Nobody watched this game twice If you call 911, nobody will even show up I've been plucking nose hairs out since yesterday. I'm preparing myself in the event I'm stuck watching the game again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Can anyone who watched all of the downs shed some light on Elam? Was he bad? I had some high hopes coming into this season. I thought he looked great at times last year, and like a guy who could easily move into the #2 spot after Tre. One preseason game doesn't mean that much - but it's starting to feel like he is not going to be a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Success said: Can anyone who watched all of the downs shed some light on Elam? Was he bad? I had some high hopes coming into this season. I thought he looked great at times last year, and like a guy who could easily move into the #2 spot after Tre. One preseason game doesn't mean that much - but it's starting to feel like he is not going to be a starter. the only rep that comes to mind is watching him get dog walked into the EZ by legacy product Connor Heyward for a TD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Everyone who studies film sounds miles different from everything I read here, glad it worked out that way for you too. The all-22 film also shows that Milano had great coverage on the TD, and Pickett put it back shoulder where that seam pass is not traditionally thrown, and he barely had room. It was a GREAT throw. The sort of thing Allen started being capable of out of nowhere in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, arcane said: Everyone who studies film sounds miles different from everything I read here, glad it worked out that way for you too. The all-22 film also shows that Milano had great coverage on the TD, and Pickett put it back shoulder where that seam pass is not traditionally thrown, and he barely had room. It was a GREAT throw. The sort of thing Allen started being capable of out of nowhere in 2020. Good point about that throw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I guess some of the reaction is overblown (esp the Josh critiques imo). But I don't know that the main points were. Or at least my main concerns heading into the game. O-line, Dorsey, MLB have been the big question marks. The first looks terrible, the second isn't really knowable because it's preseason (although some of the play designs last night that had no short options gave me bad flashbacks), and the third looks terrible. We have months to get things right, but it's a shame we have to fix roster issues that seemed apparent months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Finally had a chance to watch the game... Wow, enough penalties??? 1st teams were beat in every way possible, offense, defense, special teams. That first series was as bad as the Broncos looked last year. I know its preseason, but that was as big an egg as in the Bengals playoff game. Positive takeaways... positive takeaways... Mims looked good again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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