H2o Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Just now, NickelCity said: I'm gonna go ahead and give this a big ol' bump, because McGovern deserves it. Our interior line play has been strong, and I am thrilled with McGovern. Plug and play from day 1. Couple McGovern with Torrence and this OL is actually solid. 4 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 👍🏻 worthy bump. Our pass protection has been the key to us being more consistent on O. I focus on him from time to time and haven’t seen a bad rep yet. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 55 minutes ago, H2o said: Couple McGovern with Torrence and this OL is actually solid. Feels weird right? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Great in run and pass —awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: Great in run and pass —awesome Wait? We can have both? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) Two biggest improvements overall in this team have been McDermott’s takeover of the defense and McGovern and Torrence taking over the guard spots. There are other bright spots but these clearly stand out. Transformed the line totally, and one guy is only a freshman and will likely be a pro bowler by year 2. Edited October 3, 2023 by Aurelius 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, H2o said: Couple McGovern with Torrence and this OL is actually solid. The two of them have allowed Mitch Morse not need to compensate for guards on either side. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Just now, Limeaid said: The two of them have allowed Mitch Morse not need to compensate for guards on either side. Took pressure off the tackles too to cover the inside rush. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poo Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Best interior offensive line since the wood and incognito days? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 8:58 AM, Bill from NYC said: The game has changed so much that drafting a center or even a guard early on has become a rarity and with good reason. The game has changed just so much. What I am wondering is that if there was a guard today as good as Larry Allen, would he be worth an early second round pick? I ask because tbh, although I cannot see drafting too many of them early today, if a kid was coming up who I thought would be as good as Larry Allen, I would take him in round 1. Would I be wrong? IMO there are always players who transcend the value of their position. I'm hoping O'Cyrus Torrence will be one of the great draftees in recent Bills history and thinking he's well on that path. Con(n)or has been a very solid addition. I'm liking Van Demark and Anderson too. I like going with younger guys with upside as opposed to retreads. This appears to be the Bills best O-line in many years. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 The two major chinks is the armor of the Bills OL are: transition rushes against Brown (speed-to-power or power-to-speed) and bull rushes that isolate Morse. His anchor isn't what it used to be but mostly he will get help from the left or right. Honestly, the Bills have at least 3 G's this year that are better than last years starters (Saffold/Bates) in McGovern, Torrence and Edwards. If preseason tape counts Anderson is possibly a 4th. He turned down offers from other teams to elevate him from the Bills' practice roster. I'm speculating there's a plan to have him take over for Morse as soon as next year. An interior line with an ascending Torrence, prime McGovern and adding another hoss-strong guy at C that can turn nose tackles out of the hole 1-on-1... I am absolutely looking forward to that. Shore up RT through organic growth by Brown or Van Demark or an outside addition, and it's championship caliber. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: The two major chinks is the armor of the Bills OL are: transition rushes against Brown (speed-to-power or power-to-speed) and bull rushes that isolate Morse. His anchor isn't what it used to be but mostly he will get help from the left or right. Honestly, the Bills have at least 3 G's this year that are better than last years starters (Saffold/Bates) in McGovern, Torrence and Edwards. If preseason tape counts Anderson is possibly a 4th. He turned down offers from other teams to elevate him from the Bills' practice roster. I'm speculating there's a plan to have him take over for Morse as soon as next year. An interior line with an ascending Torrence, prime McGovern and adding another hoss-strong guy at C that can turn nose tackles out of the hole 1-on-1... I am absolutely looking forward to that. Shore up RT through organic growth by Brown or Van Demark or an outside addition, and it's championship caliber. Yes but the truth is that Morse is near retirement. Our right tackle whom I really like being Spencer Brown, is a late round draft guy who has struggled with injuries and has been hit or miss between injuries and consistency. Those are the two next pieces that need to be addressed in either free agency or the draft and they will be fine for now but are definite needs moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Another possibility with Brown if he just doesn't become a satisfactory NFL RT and need to upgrade the position, you can probably turn him into Lee Smith. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, NewEra said: 👍🏻 worthy bump. Our pass protection has been the key to us being more consistent on O. I focus on him from time to time and haven’t seen a bad rep yet. Top 10 OL with 2 brand new starters, and essentially a brand new right side with Brown. How freaking huge. Not only do we have a power run game, but PFF (I KNOW I KNOW) has us the #1 rated pass blocking team. While I take that with huge grain of salt, josh doesn't require a #1 pass block so we're already in the gravy. 13games left to gel before the real test! 6 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Another possibility with Brown if he just doesn't become a satisfactory NFL RT and need to upgrade the position, you can probably turn him into Lee Smith. Or backwards Jason peters! Lol how are his hands 🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 31 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Another possibility with Brown if he just doesn't become a satisfactory NFL RT and need to upgrade the position, you can probably turn him into Lee Smith. The extreme Spencer Brown hate from people like @Simon reminds me a lot of former Bills whipping boy OG/OT Glenn Parker. Very good athlete.......had some injury setbacks......took longer to develop than ideal but went on to become a very good starter for a long time and the Giants were extremely disappointed that he decided to call it quits at age 35. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Ralonzo said: Another possibility with Brown if he just doesn't become a satisfactory NFL RT and need to upgrade the position, you can probably turn him into Lee Smith. Brown does not have the movement or recognition skills of Lee Smith. Josh Allen said he learned a lot from Lee Smith and it makes a lot of sense he is teaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Connor has been outstanding! I was a skeptic of the signing. I didn’t think he was an upgrade over Ryan Bates. I was wrong. Honestly I thought Bates should’ve been a starting OG but I was wrong. McGovern and Torrence are the real deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 The trenches my friends, the trenches. It is the fulcrum for the lever… Looks like we have it going on on both sides of the ball, how great is that…, 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 14 hours ago, poo said: Best interior offensive line since the wood and incognito days? Great pairing! Actually thought the trio of Levitre/Wood/Urbik was pretty good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 15 hours ago, H2o said: Couple McGovern with Torrence and this OL is actually solid. Top 5 offensive line in the league, certainly a top 10 unit right now? Not only are McGovern and Torrence playing well at guard but Dawkins is playing really well and Brown while still not good is at least less of a liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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