The Avenger Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, T&C said: Is this where you're at? Yep - exactly right Shana.. I'm not hoping for a bad outcome and I'm not saying anyone deserves this, but there are risks... What I'm saying is that if there are extraordinary measures taken (i.e. - Navy ships and subs) perhaps a billionaire who is rescued should pony up a little money to offset the taxpayer. I get that the USCG is not a business and should render aid to those in trouble - just seems like there should be a limit (just like some hikers that have to be rescued by helicopters - sometime they have to pay feels associated with their rescue). . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Avenger said: Yep - exactly right Shana.. I'm not hoping for a bad outcome and I'm not saying anyone deserves this, but there are risks... What I'm saying is that if there are extraordinary measures taken (i.e. - Navy ships and subs) perhaps a billionaire who is rescued should pony up a little money to offset the taxpayer. I get that the USCG is not a business and should render aid to those in trouble - just seems like there should be a limit (just like some hikers that have to be rescued by helicopters - sometime they have to pay feels associated with their rescue). . They some aren't that rich. They mortgage their houses to take these trips. /smdh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 The ARA San Juan, an Argentinian diesel single-hull sub, imploded at just 3,000 meters in 2017. A USN Seawolf sub, with a state-of-the-art, classified hull design, has a crush depth of 2,400 meters. This dude took a barely tested carbon-fiber hull down to 13,000 meters. These billionaires had to be on some sort of drugs to get in that rickety-ass submersible. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 As of a live press conference conducted by the US Coast Guard (which has the lead in the investigation) around 1pm, they have searched above and below water in an area bigger than Connecticut and not found the vessel. If I had to guess right now, I'd say they never find it, let alone rescue anyone. About 37 hours of air left as of right now. What a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: They some aren't that rich. They mortgage their houses to take these trips. /smdh... Onboard we have 5 people - a British billionaire, one of the wealthiest men in Pakistan and his son, the CEO of the submarine tour company and a French naval explorer - not exactly regular people who mortgaged houses to take a $250K jaunt to the Titanic. As much as they want to say trips like this (and into space) are open to the public, they're really open to the super wealthy and those that are invited. Seems like at most of these people could contribute to the cost of their rescue if it happens (and I hope it does)... The damn thing was run on an off the shelf game controller! Hope they brought extra batteries for it! Edited June 20, 2023 by The Avenger 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, dpberr said: The ARA San Juan, an Argentinian diesel single-hull sub, imploded at just 3,000 meters in 2017. A USN Seawolf sub, with a state-of-the-art, classified hull design, has a crush depth of 2,400 meters. This dude took a barely tested carbon-fiber hull down to 13,000 meters. These billionaires had to be on some sort of drugs to get in that rickety-ass submersible. 13,000 FEET. NOT meters. I think you're mixing up the distances. 13,000 is ~>4,000m But still... Seems crazy at 4,000m given the crush depths of those other hauls. Edited June 20, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 James Cameron has made 33 dives to the Titanic wreckage. I'd have used what he used, not this half-assed thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 https://finance.yahoo.com/news/whistleblower-raised-safety-concerns-oceangate-190058533.html whistle blower fired a few years back. Bodes well. not ignoring the human element here, but on a practical level definitely curious about insurance carried on something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 hours ago, The Avenger said: Onboard we have 5 people - a British billionaire, one of the wealthiest men in Pakistan and his son, the CEO of the submarine tour company and a French naval explorer - not exactly regular people who mortgaged houses to take a $250K jaunt to the Titanic. As much as they want to say trips like this (and into space) are open to the public, they're really open to the super wealthy and those that are invited. Seems like at most of these people could contribute to the cost of their rescue if it happens (and I hope it does)... The damn thing was run on an off the shelf game controller! Hope they brought extra batteries for it! well, and to some degree that’s why I was curious about insurance needs on these. The societal cost of disaster is quite expensive even on a small vessel. But honestly no idea what the actual regulations are on a submarine in international waters…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 This death tube is going to wash up on shore when I take my family to the beach in Maine this summer. 🤦🏾 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 this thread reeks of morbid thoughts EEEEK what a tragic ridiculous reckless story. Ive read this thread. It's giving me the creeps just sayin' I dont like to think about someone suffering this. mistake. BIG. Lord have mercy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 5 hours ago, dpberr said: The ARA San Juan, an Argentinian diesel single-hull sub, imploded at just 3,000 meters in 2017. A USN Seawolf sub, with a state-of-the-art, classified hull design, has a crush depth of 2,400 meters. This dude took a barely tested carbon-fiber hull down to 13,000 meters. These billionaires had to be on some sort of drugs to get in that rickety-ass submersible. The Titanic is at 3,800m. (12,500ft) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: well, and to some degree that’s why I was curious about insurance needs on these. The societal cost of disaster is quite expensive even on a small vessel. But honestly no idea what the actual regulations are on a submarine in international waters…. The CBS story said that the submersible was not certified by any body (i.e. - USCG). I'm guessing there was no insurance and everyone aboard signed a substantial waiver before boarding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Hoping they are found and rescued safely! It’s hard not to think about what they might be going through right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 They could be nearer to surface. Reports are that they picked up banging sounds in intervals of 30 minutes... Sheesh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: This death tube is going to wash up on shore when I take my family to the beach in Maine this summer. 🤦🏾 Just to be sure. I'd change those plans for somewhere in Europe. 😆 Okay... GPS doesn't work underwater. Why hasn't a locator been built in? Why hasn't a "black box" been installed that could give out pings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) This kid has been arrested in the past for mass shooting threats and stalking Edited June 21, 2023 by aristocrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 13 hours ago, Doc said: James Cameron has made 33 dives to the Titanic wreckage. I'd have used what he used, not this half-assed thing. Agreed. Play stupid games, get stupid prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Nextmanup said: As of a live press conference conducted by the US Coast Guard (which has the lead in the investigation) around 1pm, they have searched above and below water in an area bigger than Connecticut and not found the vessel. If I had to guess right now, I'd say they never find it, let alone rescue anyone. About 37 hours of air left as of right now. What a nightmare. Finding it may be like finding a needle in 50 haystacks. And thats assuming it hasn’t drifted a substantial distance from entry. Sad situation for sure. Edited June 21, 2023 by davefan66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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