Aussie Joe Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, Einstein said: you’re right. I forgot that he is nonsensical That’s ok… glad I could set you straight about his propensity about giving up picks! I’m here to help.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I think the perspective of Bills fans from Tampa on TSW was that Mike Evans never wants to leave Tampa. Contending or otherwise. He lost for many years and then got his SB and playoff appearances in recent seasons. The same reason the Bills never traded Kyle Williams to New Orleans when they were going in two different directions despite THAT connection seeming totally obvious. That could be true. He might have a lot invested in the community and Evans might want to stay through thick and thin. Maybe the team and Evans can have a discussion and come to terms that this could be the best for both parties involved. Tampa will be in a tough spot if they have to give Evans his next contract with the investment they already have in the WR room while the rest of the team is in tatters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: That’s ok… glad I could set you straight about his propensity about giving up picks! I’m here to help.. Phew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 So, flip flop re: D-Hop? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: lol...the 20-teens HOF?? Doesn't M Evans have the same type of resume as DHop - and DHop is considered potential HOF. Just took a look, Evans stats look like they can be in the ballpark of Isaac Bruce who got in with 15,000+ yards in about 16 seasons. If you add 3-4 more years in Buffalo Evans will be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 And, hopefully a few extra offensive lineman can yield another 6th or 7th rounder in a trade before the season. With that said, if the Bucs are willing to take a 3rd for Mike Evans, then there is no need to worry about Gabe Davis and some cap juggling could get him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Tampa is clearly in tank mode, but I’d have to think Beane has atleast already inquired. I’m just assuming neither he nor Godwin will be available until about week six when it’s evident just how bad the Suckaneers are this year, then they’ll start clearing house, but they’ll want to give Baker and/or Trask as much of a chance to succeed as possible to start. I agree though, back when there was talk of giving up valuable draft capital for D Hop, and he wasn’t just sitting there on the market, I would’ve preferred trading for Evans over Hopkins if it were an option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Sorry.. I don’t care if he “cried” or not… he gave up the pick and he has done so many times… he gave up a 5th for Hines and they never use him! I think this is a little bit harsh We had Hines for part of the season last year in what has been reported to be a very complicated office. Maybe we give him a training camp before we make any valuation on this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: I don't think Bowles has anything to do with personnel. And even if he did, this is typical coachspeak. Most coaches would love having $20M Godwin, $10M Gage (although this seems to be a Brady influenced overpay), and also Evans. But it seems unlikely to me that the Bucs will be able to keep him in 2024. Yes, but when do you ever hear about Mike Evans being shopped by the team? When do you hear about teams being in the mix for trading for him? It's always the same sort of throwing at the wall speculation by fans and media of him being in the last year of his deal and the state of the team. Any time it's ever brought up around them they're befuddled as to why it's even being talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: Doesn't M Evans have the same type of resume as DHop - and DHop is considered potential HOF. Just took a look, Evans stats look like they can be in the ballpark of Isaac Bruce who got in with 15,000+ yards in about 16 seasons. If you add 3-4 more years in Buffalo Evans will be there. come on. There's zero chance that Evans is getting 125-175 targets a year in Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Yes, but when do you ever hear about Mike Evans being shopped by the team? When do you hear about teams being in the mix for trading for him? It's always the same sort of throwing at the wall speculation by fans and media of him being in the last year of his deal and the state of the team. Any time it's ever brought up around them they're befuddled as to why it's even being talked about. Circumstances are a little different this time around. Moving Evans while tough and difficult kind of makes sense for both sides. Evans going to a contender with a quality QB in the later years of his career. And Tampa getting something for someone they won't be able to afford the next year (which would also be a bad fan pressure situation for them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I think this is a little bit harsh We had Hines for part of the season last year in what has been reported to be a very complicated office. Maybe we give him a training camp before we make any valuation on this? Ok.. fair enough… I like the guy and want them to find a way for him to be of more use … he does get paid pretty well for his position too I was just singling him out as an example of Beane being prepared to trade picks .. there are many other examples of him doing this… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 56 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Good for you. I hope he feels the same towards you. Sorry but that was perfect phrasing on your part.😁 It's June 2023. There's nothing wrong here. 😑🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: That could be true. He might have a lot invested in the community and Evans might want to stay through thick and thin. Maybe the team and Evans can have a discussion and come to terms that this could be the best for both parties involved. Tampa will be in a tough spot if they have to give Evans his next contract with the investment they already have in the WR room while the rest of the team is in tatters. I would love to have Evans but I also kinda' prefer the skillset of DHop better if the mix is Diggs and Davis. And with Davis being cheap and in a walk year.........it should be. Davis is a top WR3 but he and Evans skillsets are kinda' redundant. They are deep ball guys who also get some work done in the intermediate. DHop is better than them on the short and intermediate routes and has MUCH better hands........without being a low ypc guy. If you have Evans and Davis you pretty much gotta' use Diggs for the vast majority of the short game........which is hard work. Or you gotta' take one of Davis and Evans off the field for Kincaid and hope that he doesn't play like a rookie. I am also loathe to give up draft pick compensation if it can be avoided. Hopefully the Bills going all-in yields a SB win but the difference between what Beane is doing and what Les Snead did from 2017-2021 really HAS to be that Beane uses and hits with "them picks". The Rams really kinda' bankrupted their roster trading away so many picks.........that's why they had to pull the plug moreso then because they couldn't straighten out their cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: come on. There's zero chance that Evans is getting 125-175 targets a year in Buffalo Evans has over 10k yards already. If he gets over 15k he's a lock. Three to four years in Buff he gets that yardage and maybe another ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 55 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: How about Todd Bowles? "I don’t know where that [talk] came from, either. Mike’s been one of our best players for a long time. He’s still productive at a high level, one of my favorite guys on the team,” Bowles said. The head coach added “same thing” for Chris Godwin. “I don’t see those two guys going anywhere,” Bowles said with an incredulous look on his face. https://www.joebucsfan.com/2023/03/todd-bowles-addresses-chris-godwin-mike-evans-trade-rumors/ Is he supposed to say, “Yep, he is good as gone.”? Coaches and GMs lie through their teeth all the time about whether players are available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Is Evans available or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: I specifically remember Evans dropping passes from TB12 Yeah, but he did it consistently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I’d be happy with either, just don’t want to head into the season counting on Gabe again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 53 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Ok.. fair enough… I like the guy and want them to find a way for him to be of more use … he does get paid pretty well for his position too I was just singling him out as an example of Beane being prepared to trade picks .. there are many other examples of him doing this… Beane is willing to trade pics to get who wants I actually don’t have a problem with that But this is also the first year where we will get a comp pic, so I almost feel like he’s working the system a little bit differently He was very careful to bring in players that wouldn’t mess with the comp pic formula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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