Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[Richard Noggin]

On 6/2/2025 at 11:30 AM, SoMAn said:

Regardless of what goes around the outside, it still looks like a big toilet bowl. They should build a new fieldhouse next to it that's shaped like a toilet paper dispenser. 

 

It looks like a bed pan, not a toilet bowl. Come ON, people.

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

Other than being a dome, the Titans new stadium doesn’t seem very grandiose IMO

 

https://www.tennesseetitans.com/new-stadium/

 

There is absolutely no way you can look at the two stadiums and say with a straight face that there is not a large difference.

 

One looks like it was built in 2010 and the other looks like it was built in 2025.

 

 

 

Then there is the Browns new stadium - which is the ugliest stadium I think i’ve ever seen. But it does at least look like it is being built this decade. 

 

Boy is it hideous though.

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Uh... no. That makes no sense. There isn't a single default design for a stadium. They can pick & chose what to prioritize. That's like saying all $500k houses in the same area are the exact same square footage, design, layout & size of land. 

 

Whether it's in WNY or Florida, you CHOOSE what you want to spend the money on. You also choose WHEN to spend the money, and they waited so long that they're paying more than Jerry World for significantly less.

Between the two of us I can guarantee I have more experience in these things than you. Sure there are a lot of choices and decisions made in any design but from what I’ve seen of the new Highmark it doesn’t look like much has been wasted on what most would consider extravagant bells or whistles. I’m therefore of the opinion that the construction team has been able to provide what the WNY construction marketplace dictates in the cost of labor and materials. 

[<bills4life>]

6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Between the two of us I can guarantee I have more experience in these things than you. Sure there are a lot of choices and decisions made in any design but from what I’ve seen of the new Highmark it doesn’t look like much has been wasted on what most would consider extravagant bells or whistles. I’m therefore of the opinion that the construction team has been able to provide what the WNY construction marketplace dictates in the cost of labor and materials. 

Now if only that marketplace was commensurate with ticket prices for the average middle class family in the western ny area. Its going to be interesting to see what ticket prices are in 10 years.

[stevewin]

19 hours ago, K-9 said:

 I was wondering the same thing. Is the overhang just gonna flap in the breeze? 😄

Another design element to confuse the wind

Edited Wednesday at 12:12 PM by stevewin

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

Now if only that marketplace was commensurate with ticket prices for the average middle class family in the western ny area. Its going to be interesting to see what ticket prices are in 10 years.

Can’t disagree with you there. I’m pretty sure the target market is NOT an ‘average middle class family’. 

[cba fan]

On 5/24/2025 at 8:42 AM, cba fan said:

well, every new stadium is enclosed or has a pavilion roof now even in perfect weather sites, so yes you are 100% absolutely correct.

 

the NFLworld moves on and WNY stays stuck in the mud.

 

Wash, Cleveland, JAX, and Chicago, all proposing domes now. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

and ohhhhh by the way ................even Miami outdid Bills new stadium, as they have "ALL" the seats covered for rain(direct above, but yes some can blow in) and most covered with sun shading too. Imagine that. lol

Edited 12 hours ago by cba fan

[cba fan]

On 6/3/2025 at 10:00 PM, Einstein said:

 

There is absolutely no way you can look at the two stadiums and say with a straight face that there is not a large difference.

 

One looks like it was built in 2010 and the other looks like it was built in 2025.

 

 

 

Then there is the Browns new stadium - which is the ugliest stadium I think i’ve ever seen. But it does at least look like it is being built this decade. 

 

Boy is it hideous though.

 

well....TN Titans looks more set back and bigger like old Highmark so yeah 2010 look. New Highmark Bills looks more stacked close in and vertical so more 2025 look. Big difference is TN roof makes it look newer and much more modern as all new builds have a roof now. So you have that right i guess.   And yeah I would ask for a complete redo on Cleveland proposal.

It is very very minimalist / brutalist not to mention: 

Utilitarian: Designed for usefulness rather than beauty.

Unadorned: Lacking decoration or ornamentation.

Plain: Simple and lacking detail.

Grey, gloomy, glum, washed-out: Describing a dull or unpleasant color palette.

Slapped-together: Appearing hastily or poorly constructed.

Uninviting: Lacking warmth or appeal.

Imposing: Large and overwhelming.

Unwashed, weathered, armored

 

Edited 12 hours ago by cba fan

[eball]

On 6/3/2025 at 11:00 PM, Einstein said:

 

There is absolutely no way you can look at the two stadiums and say with a straight face that there is not a large difference.

 

One looks like it was built in 2010 and the other looks like it was built in 2025.

 

 

 

 

 

You have the strangest (and most persistent) axe to grind with the Bills over this stadium.  It’s so odd.

 

New Highmark is at the leading edge of technology and design for a roofless facility, and it looks very modern and cool.

 

[galept]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

You have the strangest (and most persistent) axe to grind with the Bills over this stadium.  It’s so odd.

 

New Highmark is at the leading edge of technology and design for a roofless facility, and it looks very modern and cool.

 

 

If those three giant bisons out front don't look like the renderings then I will declare this stadium an economic and cultural disaster

[Mango]

13 minutes ago, galept said:

 

If those three giant bisons out front don't look like the renderings then I will declare this stadium an economic and cultural disaster

 

I think my rep told me that that area is actually public and can enter on GameDay. There are two security checkpoints. One to get into that parkway area which is public and then the ticket gate.

 

Early security could be a disaster.

[K-9]

On 6/4/2025 at 7:54 AM, SoCal Deek said:

Can’t disagree with you there. I’m pretty sure the target market is NOT an ‘average middle class family’. 

Hasn’t been for years now. And that’s a league wide reality. 

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, eball said:

 

You have the strangest (and most persistent) axe to grind with the Bills over this stadium.  It’s so odd.

 

I do!?

 

I have half the amount of posts in this thread as the leading poster, and only 60% of the second most. 
 

3 hours ago, eball said:

 

New Highmark is at the leading edge of technology

 

Can you tell us about all the leading edge technology?

 

Is it the grass field with grow lights that Green Bay and others have been using for decades?

 

Is it the fact that we are installing the same  radiant heating technology that is in the current stadium and was installed over a decade ago?
 

Is it the canopy that is a lesser copy of Tottenham’s almost decade old design?
 

Is it the snow melt system that was copied from the Vikings who built theirs a decade ago? (ours will be bigger/more advanced though)

 

From what I have seen and read, we are installing features that have been in other stadiums for decades and calling it ‘leading edge’ because it’s new to us. If we have genuine innovation in this stadium then that is awesome, but everything I have seen is a copy of old-ish technology that is borrowed from other stadiums who have had it for a while.

 

3 hours ago, eball said:

and it looks very modern and cool.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So if you think it looks modern and cool, that’s great!

 

Personally, I think it looks old and boring. Someone else mentioned that it looks old because it’s based on Tottenham - which was designed almost a decade ago. So it’s already based on an older design. I thought that was a good point.

[SoonerBillsFan]

On 6/3/2025 at 11:39 PM, SoCal Deek said:

Between the two of us I can guarantee I have more experience in these things than you. Sure there are a lot of choices and decisions made in any design but from what I’ve seen of the new Highmark it doesn’t look like much has been wasted on what most would consider extravagant bells or whistles. I’m therefore of the opinion that the construction team has been able to provide what the WNY construction marketplace dictates in the cost of labor and materials. 

So they had to overpay for resources. They never should have agreed to using all that local spending. 

 

And Terry should have went with a dome

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I do!?

 

I have half the amount of posts in this thread as the leading poster, and only 60% of the second most. 
 

 

Can you tell us about all the leading edge technology?

 

Is it the grass field with grow lights that Green Bay and others have been using for decades?

 

Is it the fact that we are installing the same  radiant heating technology that is in the current stadium and was installed over a decade ago?
 

Is it the canopy that is a lesser copy of Tottenham’s almost decade old design?
 

Is it the snow melt system that was copied from the Vikings who built theirs a decade ago? (ours will be bigger/more advanced though)

 

From what I have seen and read, we are installing features that have been in other stadiums for decades and calling it ‘leading edge’ because it’s new to us. If we have genuine innovation in this stadium then that is awesome, but everything I have seen is a copy of old-ish technology that is borrowed from other stadiums who have had it for a while.

 

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So if you think it looks modern and cool, that’s great!

 

Personally, I think it looks old and boring. Someone else mentioned that it looks old because it’s based on Tottenham - which was designed almost a decade ago. So it’s already based on an older design. I thought that was a good point.

Yes, Terry amd company said that was what they based it on.  Terrible decision

[eball]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I have half the amount of posts in this thread as the leading poster, and only 60% of the second most. 

 

Sir, that would be called an axe.  Your nickname in this thread could be lumberjack.

 

As for your other "points" I simply respond that there are only so many things one can do with a stadium, and for an outdoor facility the Bills are taking advantage of all of them.  Do you really believe the technology has not improved with respect to the grass field and roof heating?  How about the installation of dedicated cell networks and a completely separate technology building to bring state-of-the-art connectivity for fans and allow for future expansion?

 

The glass and perforated metal look that will surround the stadium aren't a new design?

 

Again, I don't understand the basis for your repetitive and crusade-like negative posting on the new building.

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

So they had to overpay for resources. They never should have agreed to using all that local spending. 

 

 

So your plan is build the stadium in Des Moines and put it on the back of tractor trailer to get it to Orchard Park? 

[vanhalen26]

I do like that glass roof for the titans.  I guess that wouldn’t work in Buffalo with all the snow.  But it would be the best of both worlds.  Natural light and feel, but protected from the elements.  
 

I’m older now and don’t enjoy the cold weather games as much as the earlier season games.  I still attend, but I don’t like the cold.

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, eball said:

Again, I don't understand the basis for your repetitive and crusade-like negative posting on the new building.

Hold on....

In the last 500 posts of this thread - that is going back 6 months - I have posted a total of 14 times in this thread.

But you? You have posted 17 times in that same period. You have posted more than me in this thread in the past 6 months!

If you think I am 'crusading', then you must be leading an entire holy war.

[Mr Info]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Hold on....

In the last 500 posts of this thread - that is going back 6 months - I have posted a total of 14 times in this thread.

But you? You have posted 17 times in that same period. You have posted more than me in this thread in the past 6 months!

If you think I am 'crusading', then you must be leading an entire holy war.

It appears his ( @eball) point is not the volume of posts but the perspective and gist of your posts in this thread.

[SoMAn]

13 minutes ago, vanhalen26 said:

I do like that glass roof for the titans.  I guess that wouldn’t work in Buffalo with all the snow.  But it would be the best of both worlds.  Natural light and feel, but protected from the elements.  
 

I’m older now and don’t enjoy the cold weather games as much as the earlier season games.  I still attend, but I don’t like the cold.

It works in Minneapolis, right? They can get a decent amount of snow.

I'm sure there are engineering advancements and new materials that can be used in construction to handle the snow for a translucent roof design.. There could be radiant heat incorporated to melt snow as it falls. The old 'can't handle the snow' is an antiquated argument, probably based memories of the old air-supported stadium roofs that were designed decades ago, and experienced a one-time collapse. 

There are flat roofs on commercial buildings all over WNY that get as much snow on top as what's on the ground. They don't collapse every winter.  

I've never like domes, but the new designs that allow much natural light has me re-thinking that position.