SCBills Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Dopey said: In 4 of the past 5 super bowls, the loser was held to: 3 points (Rams) 20 points(SF) 9 points(KC) 20 points(Cincy) The only outlier was this past SB. We’re not winning a SB on offense alone. Fair point.. The previous two, prior to this past year, the defenses dominated via pass rush. Not much we can do about our pass rush if we are paying Ed Oliver 11M and Tremaine Edmunds 18M. There is quite a bit we can do if we trade Ed and let Edmunds walk... both in the ability to sign someone like Melvin Ingram and be players for OL help in FA, allowing us to draft a DT early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 21 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: If Edmunds comes back, it's a ton of investment into this defense. Von Miller - $100M contract Daquan Jones - FA contract Ed Oliver - 1st Round pick Greg Rousseau - 1st Round pick Matt Milano - 2nd contract Edmunds - 2nd contract Taron Johnson - 2nd contract Tre'Davious White - 2nd contract Kaiir Elam - 1st Round pick Micah Hyde - Contract Extension w/Bills You're right, scab at LB and Safety and get bye. We have this guy on WGR now saying the Bills should be going for a run stuffing DLineman or LB in the draft now......... How much more can you give McDermott and his Coaches to work with? Honestly this probably wins the thread. It is hard to operate a salary cap if the entire defense is first round picks with eventual 5th year options or guys on second contracts. There has to place somewhere where you can find cheap starters, and off ball linebacker is probably one of the better places to find guys cheap. Offensively that place is running back and slot WR. Finally, I will say that this regime needs to stop paying a premium for special teams production. Like everyone else does, simply use backup linebackers, DBs, and WRs to do the job. Maybe splurge on one guy, not 3-4. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Dopey said: In 4 of the past 5 super bowls, the loser was held to: 3 points (Rams) 20 points(SF) 9 points(KC) 20 points(Cincy) The only outlier was this past SB. We’re not winning a SB on offense alone. True, but a Defensive HC shouldn't need stars everywhere to play defense. We put nothing into the offense. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 19) Tremaine Edmunds, #Patriots, 5 years, 77.7M. Looking more like only WE think he’s worth 20 a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, benderbender said: 19) Tremaine Edmunds, #Patriots, 5 years, 77.7M. Looking more like only WE think he’s worth 20 a year I think the Bills would probably pay that deal too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, BrooklynBills said: I think the Bills would probably pay that deal too I would be good with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/21/2023 at 10:33 PM, SCBills said: Its insane to me that anyone feels 11M is better spent on Ed Oliver than a premier IOL. Especially when he’s going to walk next year and is inconsistent af with an inability to be a takeover guy. You are spot on here. Well stated. Trading Oliver does not create a void, at all. Any IDL, with a healthy Miller, Rouseau, and Jones alongside can produce what Oliver produces on a game by game basis. I cannot understand the logic that Oliver is essential when he needs everything around him to be optimal to produce. If we could get a 5th round pick or better for Oliver we gain $10m in cap space.....that would go far in addressing the OL. Simply stated, a $10m/yr IDL should be a disruptive force by themselves and not need 5 ideal conditions to be met in order to effect a game. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, IndyMark said: You are spot on here. Well stated. Trading Oliver does not create a void, at all. Any IDL, with a healthy Miller, Rouseau, and Jones alongside can produce what Oliver produces on a game by game basis. I cannot understand the logic that Oliver is essential when he needs everything around him to be optimal to produce. If we could get a 5th round pick or better for Oliver we gain $10m in cap space.....that would go far in addressing the OL. Simply stated, a $10m/yr IDL should be a disruptive force by themselves and not need 5 ideal conditions to be met in order to effect a game. Cover 1 broke down metrics from the DL in one of their recent podcasts.. The DL dominated, with Von, Rousseau and Epenesa all playing at a high/above-average level up until Von went down with his injury. At which point Rousseau dipped a tiny bit and AJ actually graded out a tick better than before Von's injury. How this relates to Oliver?... We had a top 5 DL until Von went down. When they broke down our DT metrics, Oliver, during that time span our DL was playing at a top 5 level, had not even played enough snaps to qualify for evaluation in the metrics. So when people like Joe Marino (who, again, I genuinely like his podcast) scoff at the idea of replacing Oliver with, literally anyone, I do not understand the problem. Nevermind the fact we have zero DT's under contract for '24. Extend Jones, bring back Phillips and draft a space eater at some point. Edited February 23, 2023 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 18 hours ago, benderbender said: 19) Tremaine Edmunds, #Patriots, 5 years, 77.7M. Looking more like only WE think he’s worth 20 a year Wherein Edmunds goes to play for Emperor Palpatine and becomes The Greatest MLB Who Ever Lived or, conversely, generally sucks but has 2 All Pro games a year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 21 hours ago, benderbender said: 19) Tremaine Edmunds, #Patriots, 5 years, 77.7M. Looking more like only WE think he’s worth 20 a year How awesome would it be to have to face Mr. Whitewash twice a year. Rushing stats would immediately improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Tremaine in new England!? I get going for the best contract, but if any of our free agents sign with division rivals did we really have the right guys here in the locker room? I get contracts but going to a division rival when you have options to go elsewhere or even stay is a red flag to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Tremaine in new England!? I get going for the best contract, but if any of our free agents sign with division rivals did we really have the right guys here in the locker room? I get contracts but going to a division rival when you have options to go elsewhere or even stay is a red flag to me He will never go to NE. He's the exact kind of player that would drive BB insane. If he did go to NE, he would be the biggest FA bust they have had in quite awhile. Edited February 23, 2023 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 53 minutes ago, Kiva said: How awesome would it be to have to face Mr. Whitewash twice a year. Rushing stats would immediately improve. Gotta feel a little bad for Giants/Saints/Ravens if they have to lay out a combined $600+ million for only 14 seasons for those 3 QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 4:05 PM, benderbender said: 19) Tremaine Edmunds, #Patriots, 5 years, 77.7M. Looking more like only WE think he’s worth 20 a year That Derek Carr contract. Ooooofffff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 9:12 AM, Dopey said: In 4 of the past 5 super bowls, the loser was held to: 3 points (Rams) 20 points(SF) 9 points(KC) 20 points(Cincy) The only outlier was this past SB. We’re not winning a SB on offense alone. So I agreed that the defense should not be totally left out in the cold, but the resources have not been evenly split not even close to both sides of the ball. They have been relying on Josh Allen to overcome so many deficiencies. When you have a situation where your franchise QB takes an injury and you would literally rather play him then your back up QB for just a couple of games you know that you don’t have a very good situation on offense Pat Mahomes had that ankle thing they’re back up QB came in and drove that team straight down the field and scored this is what we need for the bills build an office that can win even when Josh Allen is not in the game that is how you overcome this ability to move on to the Super Bowl play makers need to make plays 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 2:19 PM, Southern_Bills said: True, but a Defensive HC shouldn't need stars everywhere to play defense. Especially not in the back 7. Being in nickel 95% of the time, playing lots of zone with 2 deep safeties, and not blitzing often all make their jobs easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 4:05 PM, benderbender said: 19) Tremaine Edmunds, #Patriots, 5 years, 77.7M. Looking more like only WE think he’s worth 20 a year Got Risner to Bills for 3/$37M more than the predicted same length deals for higher rated guards..........this guy has Beane's spending pattern figured out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 If the Bills sign Edmunds for any kind of cap influencing money, imma be piiiissssseeedddd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, gobills404 said: Especially not in the back 7. Being in nickel 95% of the time, playing lots of zone with 2 deep safeties, and not blitzing often all make their jobs easier. Seen a graphic today that the Bills have spent 60% of their draft capital on defense since 2018. I think 33% on DL, while it was 33% on offense total. Which alot of that was Allen since the pick used on him was so high. Either way, it's easy to see how they have gotten themselves into the current predicament. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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