Don't think "WR2" in the upcoming draft. Think WR1.

[HardyBoy]

3 hours ago, buffaloaggie said:

The biggest frustration about the Bills draft process for me is that Beane and co. fall in love with a player, and trade assets likely when they don't have to, in order to move up. Obviously, with Josh Allen, we needed to move. Other than that, Beane has had very little success when moving in the 1st or 2nd round. Edmunds, Elam (too early?), Cody Ford and Zay Jones (I know, Beane was hired after the draft that we got Jones, McD making that call) have not panned out, or the Bills were not patient (Jones). Edmunds has been OK, but for a 1st round pick, he has not been up to that level. I'm sure someone has graded Beane's draft picks. If not, there's a new discussion topic for you. 

 

Beane really needs to treat potential picks as "nice to have", rather than "gotta have", no matter what they give up to get him. The Bills are paying the price for giving up draft assets, as well as swinging and missing on top picks. You look at re-drafting articles, and rarely are the Bills picks included as the top re-draft choices.

 

We have gaping holes at Safety and Linebacker, as well as Offensive Line. It does zero good to draft a WR if Allen doesn't have time to throw the ball to his targets, let alone the inability to run, making this a one-dimensional Offense. No WR in the first few rounds. Maybe a guy like Charlie Jones from Purdue in a later round.

 

You speak so confidently about Edmunds not meeting a first round grade as a player, offer no evidence, and people who have deep football knowledge disagree with that take.

 

Dunning Krueger?

[The Jokeman]

On 2/14/2023 at 12:30 PM, Lost said:

 

QB?

If a QB fell that far, call a team in the early part of Round 2 that might need a QB and see if they want to trade up. 

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Chark is the best option on that list because he is the best size/speed player. If the Bills sign him, then I think Tremaine Edmunds needs to go. 

 

Campbell? If you can get him for the Spotrac $2M - $3M, and release McKenzie. 

 

The Bills could ditch McKenzie this year for $2.6M in cap savings, he's become useless, because sure every once in awhile he gets a jet sweep call, but that's <10 times a year. 

 

Sportrac has Lazzard up around $12M a year. 

 

Lazzard is too expensive.

 

McKenzie should be gone. Save the little money and find someone else. He's easily replaceable. 

 

The Bills have to make some key acquisitions in the WR area. Guys that are very serviceable and can step in and contribute. Allen should be able to make them better. 

[Alphadawg7]

On 2/14/2023 at 6:35 AM, Big Turk said:

 

Agree...

 

If Bijan Robinson is there at 27 I don't know how they pass him up...dude is a complete stud. By far the best player they would be able to select there.

 

If not, any of JSN, Josh Downs or Zay Flowers would make me a happy camper.

 

If Bijan lasts to 27, its hard to imagine any draft scenario where he is not the BPA at pick 27.  And with Devin likely gone, RB is also a need.  So I too would have a hard time seeing them pass on Bijan at 27.  

 

I am all for BPA at 27 if he is BPA, the last thing I want to see us do is reach.  So the people who think it has to be OL no matter what, well as much as I also want to improve our OL, I would hate to see us reach and pass up a better player elsewhere for the sake of reaching for need.  

 

That being said, I think Bijan will be gone before 27 anyway, so I doubt this scenario happens.  

[GreggTX]

No WR in round 1 please. I don't care if we trade up or down, but I'm tired of our OL being an afterthought. We need a razor sharp focus on upgrading the OL even if it means letting other FA's walk. We can win with an average back end on D and a great DL, but our OL is as bad as just about any. It's holding us back.

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

17 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Lazzard is too expensive.

 

McKenzie should be gone. Save the little money and find someone else. He's easily replaceable. 

 

The Bills have to make some key acquisitions in the WR area. Guys that are very serviceable and can step in and contribute. Allen should be able to make them better. 

To me, the bottom end of the WR group are all expendable. 

 

That's McKenzie ($2.6M in savings), Kumerow (UFA), Crowder (UFA), Beasley (UFA) and Brown (UFA). 

 

I'm listening to Cover 1 right now and they're harping on the idea of re-signing Beasley. He looked like he had some juice left in 2022, but the idea of him manning the slot again in 2023/2024 is something I'm not interested in. He is too old to be counted on in the Playoffs. We've seen this over and over again. And McDermott standing in the way of a talented rookie playing because of his obsession with veterans. 

 

I would hope that McDermott doesn't have enough sway to get Kumerow back on the roster again. 

 

If the Bills intend to keep 6, they would have to add three in the offseason. 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Figster]

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jalin-Hyatt-WR-Tennessee

 

Jalin Hyatt beating Quintin Johnston in almost every category when compared.

[Victory Formation]

On 2/14/2023 at 9:58 AM, John from Riverside said:

I’m not sure that there is a wide receiver number one in this draft

Jordan Addison looks like an exceptionally talented individual. I think he would be one of the better options for Buffalo at 27. Go OL RDs 2-4.

[Freddie's Dead]

On 2/14/2023 at 9:35 AM, Big Turk said:

If not, any of JSN, Josh Downs or Zay Flowers would make me a happy camper.

 

First name Zay, last name Flowers.  Double whammy.  ***** you thinking?

Edited February 16, 2023 by Freddie's Dead

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

To me, the bottom end of the WR group are all expendable. 

 

That's McKenzie ($2.6M in savings), Kumerow (UFA), Crowder (UFA), Beasley (UFA) and Brown (UFA). 

 

I'm listening to Cover 1 right now and they're harping on the idea of resigning Beasley. He looked like he had some juice left in 2022, but the idea of him manning the slot again in 2023/2024 is something I'm not interested in. He is too old to be counted on in the Playoffs. We've seen this over and over again. And McDermott standing in the way of a talented rookie playing because of his obsession with veterans. 

 

I would hope that McDermott doesn't have enough sway to get Kumerow back on the roster again. 

 

If the Bills intend to keep 6, they would have to add three in the offseason. 

 

 

Im fine bringing back Beasley on a cheap deal, but not as the starting slot.  
 

We have a WR1 and a WR3.  
 

We need a WR2.  
 

Beasley and Shakir can be WR4 and WR5 if we get that legit WR2.  
 

Say we do sign OBJ.. I’m fine with Beasley as the part time slot, with Diggs/Davis/OBJ/Shakir all able to play inside/outside. 
 

Cole has a role here if he wants to sign for cheap, but he’s not an answer. 

[Big Turk]

41 minutes ago, Freddie&#x27;s Dead said:

 

First name Zay, last name Flowers.  Double whammy.  ***** you thinking?

 

Zay has turned out to be a pretty good player...we could have used him this year.

[Freddie's Dead]

13 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I'm listening to Cover 1 right now and they're harping on the idea of resigning Beasley.

 

I'm all for resigning Beasley.

[Simon Says]

Free agency comes before the draft...but a "WR1b" will cost a ton so it might be best to draft one and take advantage of the rookie contract. 

[Simon Says]

17 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Lazzard is too expensive.

 

McKenzie should be gone. Save the little money and find someone else. He's easily replaceable. 

 

The Bills have to make some key acquisitions in the WR area. Guys that are very serviceable and can step in and contribute. Allen should be able to make them better. 

McKenzie has a relatively small cap hit.  If you cut him,you're going to have to replace him, so why bother?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

20 minutes ago, Freddie&#x27;s Dead said:

 

I'm all for resigning Beasley.

Fixed it, re-signing. 

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

McKenzie has a relatively small cap hit.  If you cut him,you're going to have to replace him, so why bother?

There are some players I just don’t want on this team any longer, even if it’s just a slight cap savings. 
 

I love Poyer as a person/player for us, but I don’t want that much money tied up at safety.  
 

Edmunds is really good.  And his discourse is going to drive me crazy until we inevitably re-sign him, but how can we justify that much at LB/Slot (Milano, Johnson AND Edmunds)… ok, cool.  Sorry Josh, hope you don’t die.. we gotta have a defense that can annihilate mid-QB’s and then let us down in the playoffs. 
 

Oliver.  I believe I’ve said enough on him and his cap hit. I’ll take a ham sandwich in return. 
 

Singletary. Don’t want him back.  Not even on a friendly deal.  Nothing about him ever excited me, and it’s time to move on and let him be good at everything, but not great at anything somewhere else. 
 

McKenzie.  I’ll take the small cap savings.  Shakir can, and should, do everything we had McKenzie doing.  Give his money to Beasley, and then draft/sign a WR2.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

34 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

McKenzie has a relatively small cap hit.  If you cut him,you're going to have to replace him, so why bother?

He’s just shown me that the Bills had it right from the beginning and I was wrong.

 

He’s a sprinkle player and that’s it. 

I think instead of holding on the Bills could sign Zaccheaus and Slayton, and draft a WR so their bottom 3 could be changed over.
 

The days of Brown and Beasley are over, McKenzie and Kumerow are done.  

[mjt328]

On 2/14/2023 at 8:23 AM, Roundybout said:

There is a lot of talk about drafting a WR2 to slot between Diggs at WR1 and Davis at WR3. This would be accomplished by taking a WR in the later rounds while we focus on offensive line in round 1 (which is a good idea too). 

 

I think we have the right idea, but wrong goal. We don't need a WR2, we need to draft a new bonafide WR1 in the first or second round.

 

Diggs is pushing 30. It's time to start thinking about a contingency plan for when he retires. A new WR1 would allow Diggs to effectively be "WR1b" and allow him to tutor the new rookie. It would give Josh two stud weapons and open the door for Davis to wreak havoc downfield where he's shined, and for Shakir to work on a slot role. 

 

Get me Rashee Rice or Quentin Johnson, who I think is going to be an absolute star. Hell, Kayshon Boutte is a star already at LSU. Get him starting right away and watch as it's like Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen, Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, or Davante Adams and Jordy Nelson. We would make sure that the cupboard is stocked for Josh. 

 

Don't think small with someone to pair with Diggs. Think of someone who can contribute NOW and succeed Diggs. 

 

I don't look at receivers in terms of numbers... WR1, WR2, WR3.

I think it's better to look at them in terms of skill-set.  

 

Ken Dorsey and the Bills need to determine what kind of offense they are going to run, then aggressively find the players that fit into that puzzle.

Based on what I saw this season, our OC and QB want to attack downfield with big chunk plays.  Which is fine.  But if that is going to be our gameplan, we need more downfield speed. 

 

Stefon Diggs and Gabe Davis can make plays downfield, but their real strength is working the 10-20 yard area.  Same thing with Dawson Knox.  We have lots of roster spots for slot receivers (McKenzie, Beasley, Crowder, Shakir).  Our top returning RBs both specialize in check-down passes (Cook, Hines).  But our biggest speed threat is John Brown.  That's just not workable.

[harmonkillebrew]

Depends how FA shakes out. If we can upgrade the line (priority #1) through FA, then I think we can focus on playmakers in the draft 

[Teddy KGB]

OL OL and more OL is all I want to see