Josh Allen Bashers, what's your solution?

[JGMcD2]

4 hours ago, Airseven said:

Terrific. But that’s not good enough. Allen is a panicked, erratic, inaccurate, turnover machine. His decision making is inexplicable. His ball security is non-existent. It may be injuries, it may be distrust in the play calling/OL, or it may be who he is. But no more whitewashing and no more pretending he’s better than he is.

Yup!
 

No more pretending he’s anything more than a top 3 QB in the league and generational talent that’s on pace to end up in Canton. 

[colin]

Allen absolutely made mistakes yesterday, Miami and the jets have ds that really frustrate our o.

 

Some of the comments on this thread hit home.  Miami went all out forcing deep passes to wrs, but they also did everything they could to prove Diggs.  Constant one on ones vs our lesser wrs.  That's our big issue on O. We have this monster QB and green lit offense, but base and brown were out of football when we took them on and now they get real burn.  We just have a massive hole when it comes to wr talent.

 

I saw a tweet showing Davis is more or less equivalent to kcs 4th wr, and that's without hill.

 

Honestly, we have all these top 3 and 4 round DL and LBs who ride the pine 65% of the game or more, but we have two old guys elevated from practice squad in our top 4 we rotation.

 

Imo we've just put a few too many eggs in one basket 

 

 

The other side, and this really is a positive when you think on it, we CAN run the ball.  W Allen and our two backs we are a Baltimore style multiple threat.  While you often have to take what the d gives you, you also have to put the foot down and dictate at times.  At the end of the game, we needed a first everyone on earth knew what play was coming and we did it.  We absolutely have to run the ball a bit more and with a touch more intelligence.

 

We pretty much need play action to get diggs out of double coverage, and Allen to diggs on play action is a scary scary sight.

 

[Beast]

5 hours ago, Airseven said:

Terrific. But that’s not good enough. Allen is a panicked, erratic, inaccurate, turnover machine. His decision making is inexplicable. His ball security is non-existent. It may be injuries, it may be distrust in the play calling/OL, or it may be who he is. But no more whitewashing and no more pretending he’s better than he is.

Allen was only the best post season passer of all-time for TD to INT ratio going into yesterday. Show me another QB that puts up over 30 when he’s off.

 

I’ll wait for your answer.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Beast

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, Airseven said:

Terrific. But that’s not good enough. Allen is a panicked, erratic, inaccurate, turnover machine. His decision making is inexplicable. His ball security is non-existent. It may be injuries, it may be distrust in the play calling/OL, or it may be who he is. But no more whitewashing and no more pretending he’s better than he is.

Go twist, fish fan.

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, colin said:

Allen absolutely made mistakes yesterday, Miami and the jets have ds that really frustrate our o.

 

Some of the comments on this thread hit home.  Miami went all out forcing deep passes to wrs, but they also did everything they could to prove Diggs.  Constant one on ones vs our lesser wrs.  That's our big issue on O. We have this monster QB and green lit offense, but base and brown were out of football when we took them on and now they get real burn.  We just have a massive hole when it comes to wr talent.

 

I saw a tweet showing Davis is more or less equivalent to kcs 4th wr, and that's without hill.

 

Honestly, we have all these top 3 and 4 round DL and LBs who ride the pine 65% of the game or more, but we have two old guys elevated from practice squad in our top 4 we rotation.

 

Imo we've just put a few too many eggs in one basket 

 

 

The other side, and this really is a positive when you think on it, we CAN run the ball.  W Allen and our two backs we are a Baltimore style multiple threat.  While you often have to take what the d gives you, you also have to put the foot down and dictate at times.  At the end of the game, we needed a first everyone on earth knew what play was coming and we did it.  We absolutely have to run the ball a bit more and with a touch more intelligence.

 

We pretty much need play action to get diggs out of double coverage, and Allen to diggs on play action is a scary scary sight.

 

Davis played really well yesterday

[Matt_In_NH]

First even though I am responding to this thread I am NOT a Josh Allen basher.  I think he is the best thing that has happened to this franchise ever.   However he took too many chances today and was singularly responsible for the dolphins being in the game.  We have seen josh try to do too much and today was one of those.  We have seen him be calm and make good decisions and that is the josh we need next week.  
 

i also give credit to the dolphins for bringing a high variance game plan that invited mistakes and it worked.  

[colin]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Davis played really well yesterday

Sure, he has good or great games from time to time.  It's still not enough.  Brown and bease (who I like and am happy to have) are the best we got behind him, but it's just doing the o a disservice.

 

A single additional decent NFL wr, perhaps one w a lil size and speed even, adds more to this team than what all the injuries have taken away.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, colin said:

Sure, he has good or great games from time to time.  It's still not enough.  Brown and bease (who I like and am happy to have) are the best we got behind him, but it's just doing the o a disservice.

 

A single additional decent NFL wr, perhaps one w a lil size and speed even, adds more to this team than what all the injuries have taken away.

Let's hope Gabe is the playoff Gabe.  Regardless next week depends on Josh being the good Josh.

[IndyMark]

Are we sure Josh is still listening to Sinatra pre-game? If not, the Bills need to force this issue. 

 

PLAY. SINATRA. ON. LOOP. ONCE. ALLEN. ENTERS. THE. F#@$%ing BLDG.

 

It could be that simple.

[Xwnyer]

 I am not bashing Josh but bashing the play calling and constant homer ball approach.   We are not mixing it up on offense, not trying tor un the ball and than call for long sideline passes with a slight lead in 4th quarter where a nice time consuming drive would be nice.   Got Diggs the ball early and than hardly any passes to him in second half.   Alot of low passes by Josh when under pressure.   Spencer brown is becoming a revolving door and has seemingly regressed this year.     Yes its fun getting the long strikes but would like to see some form of ball control drives again.

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

Are we sure Josh is still listening to Sinatra pre-game? If not, the Bills need to force this issue. 

 

PLAY. SINATRA. ON. LOOP. ONCE. ALLEN. ENTERS. THE. F#@$%ing BLDG.

 

It could be that simple.

I think as soon as he gets out of the car to go into the stadium his girlfriend needs to slap them right in the face because we all know Josh Allen gets going really gets going whenever he gets hit
 

I’m joking. Yes I’m joking.

[nucci]

I'm more concerned we ignored Cook and Singletary most of the game. No catches for either and seems like all patterns are deep...not enough crossing routes. Allen is fine...cement head plays once in a while but he's the reason we win

Edited January 16, 2023 by nucci

[John from Riverside]

35 minutes ago, colin said:

Allen absolutely made mistakes yesterday, Miami and the jets have ds that really frustrate our o.

 

Some of the comments on this thread hit home.  Miami went all out forcing deep passes to wrs, but they also did everything they could to prove Diggs.  Constant one on ones vs our lesser wrs.  That's our big issue on O. We have this monster QB and green lit offense, but base and brown were out of football when we took them on and now they get real burn.  We just have a massive hole when it comes to wr talent.

 

I saw a tweet showing Davis is more or less equivalent to kcs 4th wr, and that's without hill.

 

Honestly, we have all these top 3 and 4 round DL and LBs who ride the pine 65% of the game or more, but we have two old guys elevated from practice squad in our top 4 we rotation.

 

Imo we've just put a few too many eggs in one basket 

 

 

The other side, and this really is a positive when you think on it, we CAN run the ball.  W Allen and our two backs we are a Baltimore style multiple threat.  While you often have to take what the d gives you, you also have to put the foot down and dictate at times.  At the end of the game, we needed a first everyone on earth knew what play was coming and we did it.  We absolutely have to run the ball a bit more and with a touch more intelligence.

 

We pretty much need play action to get diggs out of double coverage, and Allen to diggs on play action is a scary scary sight.

 

We were doing that we can’t do it on every play

5 minutes ago, nucci said:

I'm more concerned we ignored Cook and Singletary most of the game. No catches for either and seems like all patterns are deep...not enough crossing routes. Allen is fine...cement head plays once in a while but he's the reason we win

Agreed. My frustration comes from not being persistent with the run. If it’s a two or 3 yard game our offensive coordinator can’t wait to get away from it sometimes you just got a spoon that in like molasses.

[Captain_Quint]

The pick to Brown was on Josh because that throw wasn't necessary. At that point in the game, we needed a long drive to eat clock, not a 50yd bomb. That's what frustrates me with Allen. There are so many ways to control a game, but we seem he'll bent on not mixing it up and playing the short game, despite being ahead by 2 TDs.

 

 

 

[mjt328]

There needs to be balance to Josh Allen's play.  

It's possible for him to be extremely aggressive attacking downfield... but also have an element of patience and willingness to take some of the underneath stuff when it's left open.   It's possible for him to move around and escape defenders in the pocket... but also know when it's time to accept the play is dead, protect the ball and take the sack.  It doesn't necessarily have to be an "either/or" situation.

 

Right now, Allen's career trajectory is moving very similar to Brett Favre.

 

Favre had a big arm, with a gunslinger mentality.  Every Packer game was filled with highlights of incredible throws and jaw-dropping plays.  He was easily a Top 3 quarterback in the NFL for the majority of his career, and one of the game's premier faces.  The media adored him, and opponents feared him.  By his retirement, he had loaded up the stat books as the all-time touchdown leader.  First ballot Hall of Famer all the way.  

 

But from a TEAM perspective, the Packers were huge underachievers during Favre's career.  Over his 16 seasons in Green Bay, they won the division 7 times and made the playoffs 11 times.  Despite constantly being favorites to win the Lombardi, the team always seemed to get stuck in the playoffs... mostly because of Favre's erratic decision making and turnovers.  He particularly had trouble getting past the Dallas Cowboys (like us and the Chiefs).  Nobody can question Favre's toughness or greatness.  But the fact his team only made it to one Super Bowl (barely winning it), is definitely a huge disappointment.

[Buckets]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

The Dolphins defensive gameplan dictated that we throw the ball deep a lot. The problem is three deep throws bounced off the hands of Davis, Diggs, and Shakir, and on another one John Brown stopped running his route and it got picked. That's too many missed opportunities. We honestly should have scored like 50 points in this game and that's only because of Allen's arm talent.

The thing that bothers me is that at the time we are ahead and should be moving the chains and eating up the clock were throwing 40 yard bombs.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

The pick to Brown was on Josh because that throw wasn't necessary. At that point in the game, we needed a long drive to eat clock, not a 50yd bomb. That's what frustrates me with Allen. There are so many ways to control a game, but we seem he'll bent on not mixing it up and playing the short game, despite being ahead by 2 TDs.

 

 

And there were guys open short and intermediate. Like if Brown is the only option there I don't mind the bomb and it wasn't a terrible throw... Brown didn't finish his route... but I do think it was the wrong choice. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

But the fact his team only made it to one Super Bowl (barely winning it), is definitely a huge disappointment.

 

Didn't he make two? Back to back? Think Denver beat them.

[quinnearlysghost88]

Last year it felt like Brian was running the show, this year it feels like Josh is. And Josh is always going to take the less conservative route. We have no excuses for not scoring more. But he becomes impatient almost immediately and it costs us.