Wow…Sammy Watkins statement on Lamar 😬😳🥶🤦🏼‍♂️

[Chicken Boo]

Expecting Lamar to play with a bum knee is exactly how you cut a players career short.  

 

He says there's still inflammation and I'm sure team doctors are evaluating him.  Why would anyone doubt that he's truly injured?  

[papazoid]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

why is Watkins right? if the guy can't be cleared to play, what's he supposed to do?

 

i'm not say he "is" right....i'm saying watkins "has a right" to wonder

 

imo..."IF" lamar had worked out and signed a long term deal.....he likely would be playing in this game injured.

 

it's my understanding that lamar has ruled himself out. that the head coach was unaware

 

When asked if Jackson could be available for a potential divisional playoff game next week, Harbaugh stayed on message.

"I can't know," he said......(that is a very unusual reply) unlike watkins, it looks like harbaugh will not throw lamar under the bus, although he appears irked that he's not on the same page with lamar.

 

is jackson injured ? ...  absolutely yes.....but i'm also clearly saying that it is likely he would "try" to play if his future was already  financially protected from injuring himself further. 

 

[PBF81]

On 1/14/2023 at 6:28 AM, eball said:

Sammy’s an enigma, but there is no question the fact that Lamar doesn’t have a contract past this season is a HUGE issue right now.  If Lamar goes out there in a compromised condition and hurts himself worse, he is screwed.  Both Lamar and the Ravens have f***ked themselves by not getting a deal done.

 

(and I really want them to beat the Bengals, too…)

 

RGIII came to mind.

[PetermansRedemption]

Because Sammy Watkins is known as “Mr Available” due to his iron man streak 🙄 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

 

i'm not say he "is" right....i'm saying watkins "has a right" to wonder

 

imo..."IF" lamar had worked out and signed a long term deal.....he likely would be playing in this game injured.

 

it's my understanding that lamar has ruled himself out. that the head coach was unaware

 

When asked if Jackson could be available for a potential divisional playoff game next week, Harbaugh stayed on message.

"I can't know," he said......(that is a very unusual reply) unlike watkins, it looks like harbaugh will not throw lamar under the bus, although he appears irked that he's not on the same page with lamar.

 

is jackson injured ? ...  absolutely yes.....but i'm also clearly saying that it is likely he would "try" to play if his future was already  financially protected from injuring himself further. 

 

 

i wasn't aware that players could rule themselves out with a specific injury that he is describing.

 

if he already had the money in the bank why would he be more likely to play injured?

[BillsFanSD]

22 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Again - Von Miller initially expected to be out like 1-2 weeks.  The initial MRI missed his partially torn ACL.  Medicine is an art.

 

It's entirely possible that Jackson's injury was initially forecast to be 1-2 weeks, then 2 weeks went by and it's still swollen and there's still laxity in there.  One doctor says "we can tape you and put on a brace and give you a shot and get you back out there, there's a risk but there's always a risk".  Another doctor says "while there's this much laxity in your knee and this much swelling, you're at significantly higher risk for blowing out your whole knee, even with a brace" 

 

Lamar goes with the 2nd doctor, and the Ravens go with the first.  It's Lamar's right under the CBA to have an independent medical opinion on an injury, and follow that medical advice.

Sure, that's possible.  That certainly isn't the vibe that we're getting from Ravens-land though.  I don't recall any Bills players calling out Von Miller for dogging it, after all.  That should tell you something.

34 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Because Sammy Watkins is known as “Mr Available” due to his iron man streak 🙄 

Another way to frame this is "Even Sammy Watkins questions Lamar's toughness."  

[Doc]

3 hours ago, papazoid said:

i'm not say he "is" right....i'm saying watkins "has a right" to wonder

 

imo..."IF" lamar had worked out and signed a long term deal.....he likely would be playing in this game injured.

 

it's my understanding that lamar has ruled himself out. that the head coach was unaware

 

When asked if Jackson could be available for a potential divisional playoff game next week, Harbaugh stayed on message.

"I can't know," he said......(that is a very unusual reply) unlike watkins, it looks like harbaugh will not throw lamar under the bus, although he appears irked that he's not on the same page with lamar.

 

is jackson injured ? ...  absolutely yes.....but i'm also clearly saying that it is likely he would "try" to play if his future was already  financially protected from injuring himself further.

 

Sammy is the last person to be talking given his history and the fact that he joined the team in December.  But he's echoing the sentiments of others who believe Lamar could and should be playing.

 

32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

if he already had the money in the bank why would he be more likely to play injured?

 

Because that's the expectation.  "We paid you what you wanted, now get out there and play."  He's an UFA after the season and going out there and playing injured and getting hurt/worse kill his market value.

[Punching Bag]

22 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/710/lamar-jackson

 

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Ravens "haven't changed their stance" on QB Lamar Jackson and plan to begin negotiating a long-term deal in the offseason. The Ravens were never close to extending Jackson last offseason, leading to Jackson playing out his $23 million fifth-year option. That backfired for Jackson, who finished the year injured for the second straight season. Jackson is asking for Deshaun Watson money, a fully guaranteed deal that would make him one of the league's highest paid quarterbacks. The Ravens are "still all-in" on Jackson and plan to franchise him for 2023 if they can't work out a long-term extension.

 

Very intelligent response by the Ravens.  #8 becomes the next Kirk Cousins.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Sammy is the last person to be talking given his history and the fact that he joined the team in December.  But he's echoing the sentiments of others who believe Lamar could and should be playing.

 

 

Because that's the expectation.  "We paid you what you wanted, now get out there and play."  He's an UFA after the season and going out there and playing injured and getting hurt/worse kill his market value.

 

The history of the NFL is littered with guys who put their feet up a bit after cashing in.  You know this. 

 

But I agree, not playing while injured now makes complete sense.  Watkins is a well known dope.  He is a journeyman, a visitor, a renter, a guy who is passed around the league like soft cheese platter.  

[Punching Bag]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Sammy is the last person to be talking given his history and the fact that he joined the team in December.  But he's echoing the sentiments of others who believe Lamar could and should be playing.

 

 

Maybe Sammy is being smart and talking company line might get him a contract next year.

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

The history of the NFL is littered with guys who put their feet up a bit after cashing in.  You know this. 

 

But I agree, not playing while injured now makes complete sense.  Watkins is a well known dope.  He is a journeyman, a visitor, a renter, a guy who is passed around the league like soft cheese platter.  

 

Some do, some don't.  Even though I'm not a fan of Lamar, I believe he'd want to be out there if his money situation were settled.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Doc

[eball]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

RGIII came to mind.

 

Very good analogy.

[dave mcbride]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/15/mike-vick-to-lamar-jackson-put-a-brace-on-it-lets-go/ 
 

Mike Vick weighs in. Paraphrased: Put a brace on and play. I played a whole season with a torn MCL.

Edited January 15, 2023 by dave mcbride

[Mr. WEO]

29 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Some do, some don't.  Even though I'm not a fan of Lamar, I believe he'd want to be out there if his money situation were settled.

 

 

So you are assuming he's fit to play today?

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

So you are assuming he's fit to play today?

 

Going by what I've been hearing, yes.  Do I know for sure?  No.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Going by what I've been hearing, yes.  Do I know for sure?  No.

 

what's your source?  (other than Sammy)

[Nextmanup]

49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

a guy who is passed around the league like soft cheese platter.  

LOL

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:

Sure, that's possible.  That certainly isn't the vibe that we're getting from Ravens-land though.  I don't recall any Bills players calling out Von Miller for dogging it, after all.  That should tell you something.

 

It tells me that Von Miller actually had ACL surgery known to put a player on the shelf for 8-14 months, after which no one expected him to play.  So not really a good comparator.

 

What does it tell you?

 

The only one I've heard mouthing off is Sammy Watkins, is there anyone else?

 

18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/15/mike-vick-to-lamar-jackson-put-a-brace-on-it-lets-go/ 
 

Mike Vick weighs in. Paraphrased: Put a brace on and play. I played a whole season with a torn MCL.

 

You may know this, but Lamar's injury is a torn PCL.

 

That's a different situation than Mike Vick's torn MCL.

 

For anyone who doesn't know, PCL stands for posterior cruciate ligament which, like ACL or anterior cruciate ligament, are two ligaments that criss-cross in the interior of the knee and stabilize it. 

 

The posterior collateral ligament and lateral collateral ligament are important, but because they go down the inside and outside of the knee, their function is easier to replace with a brace.  It's confusing because they all have "C" in there but the "C" stands for different positions/functions.

 

And Sorry Not Sorry to Mike Vick, but no one on earth, Ever, should accept career advice from this guy.  I hate it that he still has a platform.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Beck Water

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

what's your source?  (other than Sammy)

 

It's mostly Sammy.  And if you're being called-out by Sammy for being soft...

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

It's mostly Sammy.  And if you're being called-out by Sammy for being soft...

 

....you're being called out by a guy who looks like a flaming hypocrite?  Was there a different way you thought of completing that sentence?

[Scott7975]

17 hours ago, chris heff said:

Ian Rapoport is reporting that the Ravens have said they are committed to Lamar Jackson and will begin working on a long term deal when the season is over.

 

They can work on it all they want.  They offered him a good deal.  One of them has to fold for a deal to happen.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

....you're being called out by a guy who looks like a flaming hypocrite?  Was there a different way you thought of completing that sentence?

 

Nope, that's what I was going for.  I'll give Sammy the BOTD and say that he's learned that what he did in the past was wrong, but even if he hasn't, a soft guy calling you out for being soft is telling.  If Lamar is truly too hurt to play, there's no reason to say anything.  Bills players could say that Von is a great player and can will the team to win, but they know he can't play.

[chris heff]

16 hours ago, Doc said:

 

What else are the Ravens going to say, at this point at least? 

How about nothing?

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

Very intelligent response by the Ravens.  #8 becomes the next Kirk Cousins.

 

The article says "The Ravens are still all in on Jackson."  I dont think they know what "all in" means.  All in would be giving him the deal he wants. The Browns were all in on Watson.  The Ravens have a limit on what they will spend so thats not all in.  Really what they are is a team that has set Lamar's worth to them and dont have another choice other than franchise, cave in, or go with Huntley.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Scott7975

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, chris heff said:

How about nothing?

 

No, they're better off saying they're committed to working out a new deal.  Only if you have nothing nice to say do you say nothing.

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's mostly Sammy.  And if you're being called-out by Sammy for being soft...

 

 

So you're hanging you conclusion on the hopes and dreams of Dr. Sammy Watkins?  lol, nice!

[papazoid]

players play thru injury all the time.

 

how many times have we heard....well, dr's say it can't get any worse. it's just a matter of pain management now.....and they play. how many times have we heard...well, if this was a playoff game, he'd be in the lineup. 

 

it's impossible for fans to know who is legit too injured and who is so called protecting their future...."it's a business decision".

 

just seems to me those who have guaranteed money the following season are more likely to play injured in the current playoff cycle than those who are about to be a free agent with no guarantees.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Nope, that's what I was going for.  I'll give Sammy the BOTD and say that he's learned that what he did in the past was wrong, but even if he hasn't, a soft guy calling you out for being soft is telling.  If Lamar is truly too hurt to play, there's no reason to say anything.  Bills players could say that Von is a great player and can will the team to win, but they know he can't play.

 

I mean, he's also a guy who tweeted about being an incredibly powerful solar lizard being.  So the "soft" isn't limited to the body, although, in fact, his body with GB did look soft, as though he were trying to convert to TE.

 

The difference to me is judgement call.  Von Miller is 100% "No".  Lamar Jackson's injury is probably one where he could slap a brace on it and play, albeit hindered and at significant risk of shredding his knee completely like RGIII did.

 

I think credible NFL players who aren't soft in the body and thinking about Solar Lizard Beings recognize that and don't call a teammate out

 

35 minutes ago, papazoid said:

players play thru injury all the time.

 

how many times have we heard....well, dr's say it can't get any worse. it's just a matter of pain management now.....and they play. how many times have we heard...well, if this was a playoff game, he'd be in the lineup. 

 

it's impossible for fans to know who is legit too injured and who is so called protecting their future...."it's a business decision".

 

just seems to me those who have guaranteed money the following season are more likely to play injured in the current playoff cycle than those who are about to be a free agent with no guarantees.

 

Given Lamar's injury combined with a playing style based on escapability and mobility, it's probably NOT legit to say "it can't get any worse, it's just a matter of pain management"

 

It probably is legit to speculate that Lamar might make a different decision if he were signed to a long term contract with big guarantees.  Part of that is the knowledge that the team would have "skin in the game" of the decision to play or not to play - if they're gonna pay him the Big Bucks in full for the next 2 years whether he sits in the training room rehabbing his shredded knee or leads them on the field, maybe the team FO views the playing decision differently.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Beck Water

[Doc]

42 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

So you're hanging you conclusion on the hopes and dreams of Dr. Sammy Watkins?  lol, nice!

Solely based on what he said? No, of course not. That’s part of it and again I don’t see what he gains by publicly calling out a teammate who you believe is so injured that if he were to play, would not help them. It’s also his contract that even you agreed would make him not want to play.

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

Solely based on what he said? No, of course not. That’s part of it and again I don’t see what he gains by publicly calling out a teammate who you believe is so injured that if he were to play, would not help them. It’s also his contract that even you agreed would make him not want to play.

 

I said a new contract doesn't naturally stimulate any player to play harder.   I agree with you that he isn't a fool to protect his value if he isn't ready to play.

 

There is no reason at all to believe Sammy has any idea whatsoever what Jackson's injury status is.  Why even cite him?  Makes no sense. What else you got?

Edited January 15, 2023 by Mr. WEO

[Doc]

45 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I said a new contract doesn't naturally stimulate any player to play harder.   I agree with you that he isn't a fool to protect his value if he isn't ready to play.

 

There is no reason at all to believe Sammy has any idea whatsoever what Jackson's injury status is.  Why even cite him?  Makes no sense. What else you got?

 

Why cite him?  LOL!  Because he actually said something that many were thinking.  This isn't hard. 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Why cite him?  LOL!  Because he actually said something that many were thinking.  This isn't hard. 

 

you cited him as the reason you think Lamar can play.  That's silly.  Watkins knows nothing about the severity of the injury.  He's just a dumbass.  Just because he tanked games in the whirlpool doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

you cited him as the reason you think Lamar can play.  That's silly.  Watkins knows nothing about the severity of the injury.  He's just a dumbass.  Just because he tanked games in the whirlpool doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

 

And you think that Lamar is so injured that he can't possibly play and Watkins just came to this decision all on his own that he isn't?  Because a severely injured player will help them win?

 

Players play injured all the time and when it's playoff time, push themselves even more.  And while I think Lamar's contract demands are ridiculous, I have no issue with him deciding to make a business decision not play even if he could, because of what it might do to his market value.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And you think that Lamar is so injured that he can't possibly play and Watkins just came to this decision all on his own that he isn't?  Because a severely injured player will help them win?

 

Players play injured all the time and when it's playoff time, push themselves even more.  And while I think Lamar's contract demands are ridiculous, I have no issue with him deciding to make a business decision not play even if he could, because of what it might do to his market value.

 

I don't know if Jackson is or isn't too injured to play.  Neither does Watkins.  What's so hard to understand here?  

 

Plus Watkins isn't "coming to a decision".  I'm convinced you didn't read what he said.  Here's a refresher:

 

"that's a question if he's healthy or he's not. I don't know. I haven't been watching him."

 

There's you opinion influencer, doc--telling you he has no idea what's going on with Jackson.

 

unforced error....

 

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I don't know if Jackson is or isn't too injured to play.  Neither does Watkins.  What's so hard to understand here?  

 

Plus Watkins isn't "coming to a decision".  I'm convinced you didn't read what he said.  Here's a refresher:

 

"that's a question if he's healthy or he's not. I don't know. I haven't been watching him."

 

There's you opinion influencer, doc--telling you he has no idea what's going on with Jackson.

 

unforced error....

 

Yeah because he couldn't be talking/listening to teammates, who have seen him since he got injured.  Again there is no other reason for a guy who hasn't even been with the team for 4 weeks to put out a statement like that if his teammates and coaches think he can't play at all.

 

Anyway, not my concern what happens there.  Lamar's a limited QB who no serious WR would want to play with and even if he were healthy probably would still lose to the Bengals.  The Ravens are stuck because his contract demands are making it so they'll likely have to trade him and then find another QB. 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah because he couldn't be talking/listening to teammates, who have seen him since he got injured.  Again there is no other reason for a guy who hasn't even been with the team for 4 weeks to put out a statement like that if his teammates and coaches think he can't play at all.

 

Anyway, not my concern what happens there.  Lamar's a limited QB who no serious WR would want to play with and even if he were healthy probably would still lose to the Bengals.  The Ravens are stuck because his contract demands are making it so they'll likely have to trade him and then find another QB. 

Where does he cite other players opinions? 
 

he explicitly (and correctly) qualifies his statement with the obvious: he has no idea about the injury or if he can even play. These are his words.  Now you are trying also  to attribute to other players things that haven’t been said?

 

come in.  It’s just dopey Sammy speaking on a topic he admits he doesn’t know about—and you tan with that.

 

I tried to help 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

Where does he cite other players opinions? 
 

he explicitly (and correctly) qualifies his statement with the obvious: he has no idea about the injury or if he can even play. These are his words.  Now you are trying also  to attribute to other players things that haven’t been said?

 

come in.  It’s just dopey Sammy speaking on a topic he admits he doesn’t know about—and you tan with that.

 

I tried to help 

 

I believe Lamar would gut it out if his contract situation were resolved.  But again, it doesn't concern me what the real situation is.  And if he can't finish the last 1/3 of seasons, he's basically worthless.

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I believe Lamar would gut it out if his contract situation were resolved.  But again, it doesn't concern me what the real situation is.  And if he can't finish the last 1/3 of seasons, he's basically worthless.

no one’s disputing that doc

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

no one’s disputing that doc

 

Disputing...what?  That he'd play if his contract situation were resolved?  Thanks for coming around.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Disputing...what?  That he'd play if his contract situation were resolved?  Thanks for coming around.

 
he’s basically worthless if he can’t play 

 

the rest is (the Watkins stuff) is proven nonsense 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Mr. WEO