LABILLBACKER Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 18 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Oliver is tied up already. Motor is gone. Saffold is gone. Sign Poyer for 3 year deal and tag Edmunds. Easy. Draft WR,S, and OL. Done. We're not tagging Edmunds for 18 large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 The rest of our decision isn’t in great shape either. The jets have the most cap room but the least quarterback 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 4:42 PM, damj said: Getting deals for Oliver, Poyer, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, but ... Edmunds are a must. I'd like to keep Singletary, but I think we can get him resigned for a team friendly short 1 year deal ... the RB FA market is STACKED, so Motor might not get a big payday. WR, I think we need to go draft route. WR FA crop is very thin ... maybe a vet to round out the WR room. Oliver doesn’t need a deal, in fact, I’d try to trade him. He’s an average player on a bloated 5th year deal. Po is a big time contributor, just can’t sign him long term due to injury concerns. Edmunds is going to get paid FAR more than he’s worth. Motor is easily replaced in terms of performance, would like him back at a reasonable rate. WR needs to be a round 1 pick, the cost of the position is through the roof and you NEED an upgrade badly. Saffold can pound sand, Morse may well retire and I guess you are hoping Brown doesn’t suck bad enough to sink the ship next year, so OL better be a big focus… makes me really wish they had taken the flier on Toney. 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: We're not tagging Edmunds for 18 large. He’s going to get more than that, might as well if you want him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, SCBills said: CB1 is not a glaring need .. in fact, there is zero reason we should be drafting a corner. White, Elam, Benford and Jackson are all under contract .. the first 3 for multiple seasons beyond this year. LG is a need. If a guy like O’Cyrus Torrence is there at our pick, just do it. He could be a pro-bowl caliber player for the next decade at that position. WR2 is 1 or 1A in need along with the previously mentioned IOL. Need #3 is the position of whoever doesn’t come back between Edmunds and Poyer. Yes Wr2 is a need but if they traded back out of the first round a few spots and recouped a pick or two it isnt that big of a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 12 hours ago, appoo said: I'm not sure Elam has the instincts to be a CB1. I definitely think he's got a future as a starter in the League though. My concern is around Tre. If he didn't have a 22M dead cap hit there's a chance he could get cut because he simply doesn't have the explosiveness to be paid like a CB1, unless he continues to regain his pop this off season. But untill that happens, the Bills have a weakness at corner, made worse by Hamlin's loss. He struggled a bunch this year, but you could see signs of a pretty good strong safety with more experience, which would have made it easy to let Mycah go this off season and save a much needed 3M on the cap. Now they're going to have to eat a 10M cap hit for a 33 year old safety coming off a major neck injury. This is going to be, perhaps, Beane's most important, and difficult off season. WR2 is way down the list for me. You have Josh Allen, Diggs, Dawson Knox and an emerging RB in Cook...Davis, for all his troubles, is good enough for now. Outside upgrading RT and filling LG (can't resign Saffold), wouldn't really touch the starting offense. Just not worth it in terms of opportunity cost elsewhere Sir, it’s tre white he’s not getting cut. It’s like all of a sudden people forget the player that he was before the injury. It takes a while to recover from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) To paraphrase "who's line is it anyways?" Welcome to the NFL, where the caps made up and the contracts don't matter. Edited January 12, 2023 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 10 hours ago, DCofNC said: Oliver doesn’t need a deal, in fact, I’d try to trade him. He’s an average player on a bloated 5th year deal. Po is a big time contributor, just can’t sign him long term due to injury concerns. Edmunds is going to get paid FAR more than he’s worth. Motor is easily replaced in terms of performance, would like him back at a reasonable rate. WR needs to be a round 1 pick, the cost of the position is through the roof and you NEED an upgrade badly. Saffold can pound sand, Morse may well retire and I guess you are hoping Brown doesn’t suck bad enough to sink the ship next year, so OL better be a big focus… makes me really wish they had taken the flier on Toney. He’s going to get more than that, might as well if you want him back. I had the same thought there on Toney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Beane is very skilled in Cap management, I'm over here just sipping my brew knowing he's got it handled...I'm sure that's one reason why Poyer wasn't extended before or during the season. He has a plan. He always does. So, I'm good...I know this team, somehow will only be better next year and that's even if the Bills win the whole damn thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Hyde, Miller, and Allen restructures incoming. I don’t really see any surprising releases, maybe McKenzie? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Hyde, Miller, and Allen restructures incoming. I don’t really see any surprising releases, maybe McKenzie? Definetly gonna need some cap gymnastics this offseason Edited January 12, 2023 by ddaryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) The Knox contract is so bad on so many levels…might bite us in the arse…he’s paid like a top 10 TE, yet I still feel we should be trying to upgrade the position…doh! Edited January 12, 2023 by JaCrispy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 13 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: We're not tagging Edmunds for 18 large. Yeah, I can’t see us using the tag on anyone. We will either get a deal done with Edmonds or we won’t. I think it will be a very slow season in free agency. We will definitely not be one of those first day teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 4:10 PM, MJS said: The Bills can restructure to create a ton of cap space. Beane knows what he is doing. I was looking at this yesterday. Allen's contact is built to squeeze extra cash year to year. Right now that last of his guaranteed money runs out in four seasons when he is 30, and that year its a quarter of his salary. We are entirely in the clear in 2027. We can rerack $20 million just by converting most of Allen's 2023 salary to a prorated bonus. That's enough to retain one of our key free agents. (Edmunds, Poyer) That said, barring draft finds, this is about as good as the Bills will look for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 27 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I was looking at this yesterday. Allen's contact is built to squeeze extra cash year to year. Right now that last of his guaranteed money runs out in four seasons when he is 30, and that year its a quarter of his salary. We are entirely in the clear in 2027. We can rerack $20 million just by converting most of Allen's 2023 salary to a prorated bonus. That's enough to retain one of our key free agents. (Edmunds, Poyer) That said, barring draft finds, this is about as good as the Bills will look for a while. …Which means Beane will NEED to draft better than he has the past few years…We need more explosiveness on both sides of the ball imo… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) I think next offseason is going to be painful... tough decisions to be made, and will need some cheap options to fill out a roster I expect some cap gymnastics out of Beane but that wil just allow to resign our own... UFA will be bargains/cheap vets IMO... Beane and company can't afford anymore draft shennanigans... Time to invest in a true #2 WR OL and maybe a #2 TE. Allen needs a beeter OL and reliable WR's outside of Diggs Edited January 12, 2023 by ddaryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: …Which means Beane will NEED to draft better than he has the past few years…We need more explosiveness on both sides of the ball imo… Superstar QB, pro bowl MLB, starting RB for next year, starting slot/#2 WR for next year, possible starting RT, great DE (Groot), starting slot CB (arguably top 3 in league), two rotational DEs, starting dominant DT, probable starting CB next year, starting TE... Some people expect GMs to hit EVERY SINGLE draft pick..thats not realistic. We have a ***** ton of drafted impact starters on this team. What more do you want from this GM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Chiefs organization really is well run. They win 12-14 games seemingly every year and still have a ton of resources. And that Mahomes contract is cheap for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: …Which means Beane will NEED to draft better than he has the past few years…We need more explosiveness on both sides of the ball imo… Effectively yes. I don't think the bills will be purging talent in the immediate future. The biggest looking FA's in 2024 are Hyde (reaching the end of his career), Gabe Davis (a nice piece but at best a #2 WR) and Oliver (pay the man!) But the pinch is coming. You can do a lot to kick the can down the road, but the Bills have a 2-3 year window before we have to shed some veterans. One obvious move but small move would be to extend Nyheim Hines. The man is the best return specialist I've seen in a while, has some juice to be a offensive 5-10 snap a game wrinkle, he's 26 and his 2023 money in unguaranteed. I'm willing to tack on an extra year or two to spread that out 4 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: Superstar QB, pro bowl MLB, starting RB for next year, starting slot/#2 WR for next year, possible starting RT, great DE (Groot), starting slot CB (arguably top 3 in league), two rotational DEs, starting dominant DT, probable starting CB next year, starting TE... Some people expect GMs to hit EVERY SINGLE draft pick..thats not realistic. We have a ***** ton of drafted impact starters on this team. What more do you want from this GM? I mean one this year is taking ROY, but I'm rather happy with what we got out of Elam, Cook, Shakir and Benford. Think about this: Dane Jackson, Elam and Benford are all as good as or better than most #2 CBs in the league and we have all of them on secure controlled deals for next year. Their entire issue is that they aren't pro bowl and we were counting on a quicker turnaround from Tre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: Superstar QB, pro bowl MLB, starting RB for next year, starting slot/#2 WR for next year, possible starting RT, great DE (Groot), starting slot CB (arguably top 3 in league), two rotational DEs, starting dominant DT, probable starting CB next year, starting TE... Some people expect GMs to hit EVERY SINGLE draft pick..thats not realistic. We have a ***** ton of drafted impact starters on this team. What more do you want from this GM? Superstar QB, yes… but Edmunds in the pro bowl is popularity contest, not really based on how well you play…Remember when Tyrod made the pro bowl? Other positions you mentioned are projections or hopes that we all have, not necessarily what is the case now… We HOPE Cook will take another step and upgrade our running game… We HOPE Groot can be great, but at the moment he is just a solid player… We have two rotational DEs who we HOPE can improve, because right now they are JAGs… Which DT are you referring to as dominant? Oliver is solid, but certainly not a game changer- which is how I define as dominant… ”Probable” starting CB? Well, every team has two, so that’s not much of an accomplishment…Same with TE…Who cares if Knox starts, if it’s just because we don’t have anything better? Knox is just an average player to me… Edited January 12, 2023 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Superstar QB, yes… but Edmunds in the pro bowl is popularity contest, not really based on how well you play…Remember when Tyrod made the pro bowl? Other positions you mentioned are projections or hopes that we all have, not necessarily what is the case… We HOPE Cook will take another step and upgrade our running game… We HOPE Groot can be great, but at the moment he is just a solid player… We have two rotational DEs who we HOPE can improve, because right now they are JAGs… Which DT are you referring to as dominant? Oliver is solid, but certainly not a game changer- which is how I define as dominant… ”Probable” starting CB? Well, every team has two, so that’s not much of an accomplishment…Same with TE…Who cares if Knox starts, if it’s just because we don’t have anything better? Knox is just an average player to me… Edmunds is a stud, if your still arguing he isnt one of the best LBs in football...then I dunno what to tell you. Agree to disagree (but you are wrong lol). Groot is great. All metrics show him as a top DE in football. Ill take a JAG who gets 8 sacks a year as a rotational player. Oliver is a game changer. Again, dont know what to tell you. Actually...I dont even know why I responded to this. It is obvious that you are a casual fan who looks at box scores and must not watch football/listen to those who study film league wide. Good day to you and GO BILLS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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