JDHillFan Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Somethings definitely not working correctly if people keep walking off the job with government property. A stapler or monitor might be government property. Not the same as secret/top secret/SCI documents. Let’s not minimize what’s taking place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 For a solution, my simple brain thinks,… Prior to a change in Presidential administrations, the National Archives should send letter to President/ VP with copy sent to relevant committee(s) in Congress notifying them of the missing documents that must be returned. Shed daylight on the issue to coerce the administration to find/return the docs or they know they will be investigated. There needs to be a check on executive privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy1 said: Republicans, FBI and the media should investigate the crap out of this story as with Trump’s classified document possession scandal. Clearly the government has systemic issues with controlling the distribution and recovery of classified documents. That problem should be fixed. Maybe that is an issue Ds and Rs can work together on fixing. 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: Somethings definitely not working correctly if people keep walking off the job with government property. Seems like just yesterday it was a personal accountability issue, all on the individual, but now, suddenly, almost as if by magic, systemic inequity in the administrative arm of the federal government is compelling former VPs to possess top secret files illegally for 5-7 years. Shocking turn of events, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Seems like just yesterday it was a personal accountability issue, all on the individual, but now, suddenly, almost as if by magic, systemic inequity in the administrative arm of the federal government is compelling former VPs to possess top secret files illegally for 5-7 years. Shocking turn of events, really. It’s still the same thing. People shouldn’t be able to walk away with government property, especially sensitive documents. Those that do so intentionally or refuse to return them when they find them should be investigated. It’s really not that hard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Just now, ChiGoose said: It’s still the same thing. People shouldn’t be able to walk away with government property, especially sensitive documents. Those that do so intentionally or refuse to return them when they find them should be investigated. It’s really not that hard. I suggested early on that that Trump’s actions, and possession of classified material was best judged in context with what other presidents have done. I suggested the same thing yesterday after it was revealed Biden broke the law nearly 7 years ago. I laughed today when I heard about Joe’s attorneys screwing him a second time, partly because I was right, partly because it’s par for the Joe Biden course, and partly in anticipation of the spin cycle I would see here. I have not been disappointed. Investigate thoroughly most high ranking politicians past/present, you’ll find this stuff. Kick some doors down and seize control of the property, you’ll find even more. It’s human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Yes, Biden is guilty of having government documents he shouldn’t have. However, simple possession is rarely prosecuted if people cooperate with law enforcement since their main goal is to get the property back, so they want to encourage cooperation. At this point, that’s the difference between the situations: when Biden’s team found the documents, they immediately notified authorities and turned them over while Trump obstructed law enforcement. Biden’s case is being managed by a Trump-appointed US Attorney so we’ll see if more evidence comes out about how he handled this. If it was simply packing up a bunch of stuff and not realizing he had the docs, there won’t be a punishment. If it was something more nefarious, he could be in legal jeopardy. The documents were moved twice. If they truly took them mistakenly (doubtful at best) that means they knew about them at least the first time they were moved. They should have been returned then. That's a lack of cooperation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 39 minutes ago, Andy1 said: For a solution, my simple brain thinks,… Prior to a change in Presidential administrations, the National Archives should send letter to President/ VP with copy sent to relevant committee(s) in Congress notifying them of the missing documents that must be returned. Shed daylight on the issue to coerce the administration to find/return the docs or they know they will be investigated. There needs to be a check on executive privilege. I’m thinking “Don’t deliberately remove top secret documents and treat them like the menu of the local Chinese take out place” would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 37 minutes ago, Doc said: The documents were moved twice. If they truly took them mistakenly (doubtful at best) that means they knew about them at least the first time they were moved. They should have been returned then. That's a lack of cooperation. Could be. Or they could have been in a box. If they discovered them during the previous move and did nothing, they should be indicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Could be. Or they could have been in a box. If they discovered them during the previous move and did nothing, they should be indicted. I think we can agree that the documents weren't mistakenly taken (same goes for Trump's). Do you think that "we didn't know the classified documents were in the box we moved" is an honest answer? Do you think it's an acceptable answer? As for indicting, I'm not saying to go that far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Doc said: I think we can agree that the documents weren't mistakenly taken (same goes for Trump's). Do you think that "we didn't know the classified documents were in the box we moved" is an honest answer? Do you think it's an acceptable answer? As for indicting, I'm not saying to go that far. I’m saying there’s a lot we still don’t know. If they knew they had the documents all along, why turn them over now? They could have just kept them and nobody would have known. Instead of wanton speculation, I’d rather there just be an investigation that gets to the bottom of it. If they truly didn’t know and turned them over once they found them, then they should get nothing more than a stern talking to. If they did know and tried to cover it up all this time, there should be more dire consequences. In any event, we definitely need better controls around sensitive documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 12 hours ago, B-Man said: 2024 democrat party plan is starting. Pay attention to Hillary Clintons moves lately. its like she is lining up to something. 9 hours ago, ChiGoose said: It’s still the same thing. People shouldn’t be able to walk away with government property, especially sensitive documents. Those that do so intentionally or refuse to return them when they find them should be investigated. It’s really not that hard. Honestly their is almost no need to be printing these things out anymore. Major industries use electronic controls on their IP and seem to do a much better job controlling it, than the state 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 9 hours ago, ChiGoose said: I’m saying there’s a lot we still don’t know. If they knew they had the documents all along, why turn them over now? They could have just kept them and nobody would have known. Instead of wanton speculation, I’d rather there just be an investigation that gets to the bottom of it. If they truly didn’t know and turned them over once they found them, then they should get nothing more than a stern talking to. If they did know and tried to cover it up all this time, there should be more dire consequences. In any event, we definitely need better controls around sensitive documents. We know and don't have to speculate that the classified documents were intentionally taken by Biden and possessed for many years. That right there is a crime, period, as he didn't have the authority to declassify anything (and if one wants to say that Obama could have, then the same applies to Trump). Saying "he might not have known they were there" is improper handling of classified information and also a crime. It has little to do with "cooperation" but I know why you're fixated on that particular point. The issue is more about what was being done with the documents and as I've been saying, if Hilly got off because they couldn't prove intent, the same applies to Trump and even Biden. So the Dems have a choice to make: cease and desist with Trump (give him a "stern talking to") or face Biden being impeached. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 Why the mystery about the second location? My bet it was either Joe’s house or vacation home. Maybe even the crack addicts place. Have to keep it a mystery as long as possible. Might constitute what they call a “bad look”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Why the mystery about the second location? My bet it was either Joe’s house or vacation home. Maybe even the crack addicts place. Have to keep it a mystery as long as possible. Might constitute what they call a “bad look”. You would think that the raid(s) would have already happened... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Why the mystery about the second location? My bet it was either Joe’s house or vacation home. Maybe even the crack addicts place. Have to keep it a mystery as long as possible. Might constitute what they call a “bad look”. better than the spy ridden den of Mar a Lago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc said: You would think that the raid(s) would have already happened... Why? He fully cooperated and returned them seven years later. He also publicly claimed that he didn't know they were there, so why the out on a limb suspicion that there might be more that he is unaware of? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: better than the spy ridden den of Mar a Lago turns out they were at his house in Delaware lol. This is classic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, aristocrat said: turns out they were at his house in Delaware lol. This is classic Yeah, just saw that. His garage! If there's not a raid on all his properties soon... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: turns out they were at his house in Delaware lol. This is classic Like I said, better than the spy ridden Mar a Lago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 but everything else is going so great with this administration, so I’m willing to overlook this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Like I said, better than the spy ridden Mar a Lago You might be right. With the lack of transparency I guess we’ll never know for sure. https://nypost.com/2022/01/18/psaki-defends-non-release-of-biden-delaware-visitor-logs/ That’s different!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: You might be right. With the lack of transparency I guess we’ll never know for sure. https://nypost.com/2022/01/18/psaki-defends-non-release-of-biden-delaware-visitor-logs/ That’s different!! You are quoting the American media! @B-Man Look at that, the American media B man, you need to have a talk with this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Like I said, better than the spy ridden Mar a Lago How would you know its better? Do you have intimate knowledge of the household, visitors, and security systems? Sounds like you've exited the denial stage and entered "damage control" mode here. Edited January 12, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are quoting the American media! @B-Man Look at that, the American media B man, you need to have a talk with this guy This post is so feeble that it should be named and used for comparison purposes in the future. “hey, did you see the latest idiotic post from Billstime?” “Yeah, he Tiberius’d the hell out of that one”. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Yeah, it was taking a few days to elect a speaker that was embarrassing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 But they were locked up next to his Vette. Ok? So, it’s not like they’re sitting out on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Just now, BillsFanNC said: Just like he has no idea about his son's businesses and the deals made. LOL NOTE: I wouldn't be surprised if he really DOESN'T remember. He doesn't know when someone is alive or dead. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: This post is so feeble that it should be named and used for comparison purposes in the future. So what is your opinion of the thread about not trusting anything in media?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: This post is so feeble that it should be named and used for comparison purposes in the future. “hey, did you see the latest idiotic post from Billstime?” “Yeah, he Tiberius’d the hell out of that one”. The classified documents in his garage next to his corvette is going to bring rise to a flood of cognitive dissonance fueled hand waving from PPP leftists. Should be wildly entertaining. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 @Irv, we need a good alliterative headline for this mess. How about: “Pulp-brained President Pilfers Precious Protected Papers”??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Don’t buy Biden’s ‘surprise’ — classified documents were moved at least twice New York Post, by Jonathan Turley With the reported discovery of a second batch of highly classified documents connected to President Biden, the decisions of Attorney General Merrick Garland are fast moving from the inexplicable to incomprehensible. Garland was presumably briefed that classified documents were discovered in Joe Biden’s old office on Nov. 2. He also presumably knew about the Biden documents when he appointed a special counsel to investigate the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago 16 days later. At the time of the appointment of Jack Smith, some of us noted the inexplicable refusal of Garland to appoint a special counsel to look into alleged Biden influence peddling and other crimes. https://nypost.com/2023/01/11/dont-buy-bidens-surprise-classified-documents-were-moved-at-least-twice/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 53 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Like I said, better than the spy ridden Mar a Lago Meh. No one has a clue who visits that house. they dont release or keep visitor logs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Still the most likely explanation for what we're witnessing. I mean it was obvious to most that Biden would be exited before his first term was up. But there's simply no way in hell he was ever going to be allowed to run for a second term. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Still the most likely explanation for what we're witnessing. I mean it was obvious to most that Biden would be exited before his first term was up. But there's simply no way in hell he was ever going to be allowed to run for a second term. Yup. They hid the news of the documents for 2 months but after he decides he's running for President again... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Still the most likely explanation for what we're witnessing. I mean it was obvious to most that Biden would be exited before his first term was up. But there's simply no way in hell he was ever going to be allowed to run for a second term. I just did a quick google search for "Biden classified Document updates" MSM is reporting on it. but the narrative is important. almost all of them are reporting on it, but then comparing it to trump, and implying trumps were worse due to timing or amount. but it is telling that his handlers are not covering for him. No way would they have allowed him to take that question on an open mike just a few months ago. Jill or someone dressed in a bunny outfit would be there to protect him from speaking. But its epic seeing Biden repeat that his Corvette is in that locked Garage.. like thats some kind of valid argument. Where are the keys to said garage. who else has access to where those keys are? what does he have, a bolt lock on the door from the garage to the house? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chris farley said: I just did a quick google search for "Biden classified Document updates" MSM is reporting on it. but the narrative is important. almost all of them are reporting on it, but then comparing it to trump, and implying trumps were worse due to timing or amount. but it is telling that his handlers are not covering for him. No way would they have allowed him to take that question on an open mike just a few months ago. Jill or someone dressed in a bunny outfit would be there to protect him from speaking. But its epic seeing Biden repeat that his Corvette is in that locked Garage.. like thats some kind of valid argument. Where are the keys to said garage. who else has access to where those keys are? what does he have, a bolt lock on the door from the garage to the house? The only real question is "why does he have them"? He can't take classified documents. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: The only real question is "why does he have them"? He can't take classified documents. That seems to be what they are trying to avoid with the "Trumps were more and longer" narrative. ***** all kinda strange. Might wake up one day to find out he was impeached and that Ukrainian short dude is our new pres or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 The "locked garage" dodge is just a squirrel 🐿️. The discussion needs to be why does he have them ? (as it was with Trump) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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