Mahomes vs Allen or Mahomes vs Burrow

[Mikie2times]

The narrative is Mahomes and Allen, but only Burrow and Mahomes have reached a Super Bowl. Burrow has never lost to Mahomes. 

 

I stumbled across this video on Burrow and it really made me think.

 

 

One, I have eaten at the restaurant this is being filmed in. More importantly. Joe "Kool", he's not really Joe ____ . He just doesn't give that many F's. Which made me think of this video on you tube 

 

 

It's not that he's an elite leader, he's just indifferent to the noise because he knows its all just WWE and holy hell that has to matter in clutch moments.

 

Josh on the other hand is a puppy and that is not an insult. Outside of two-three countries we all love puppies. They're pure energy and enthusiasm but puppies will get too excited and piss on the carpet. Puppies have higher swings. They burn brighter and fade quicker. 

 

The video is intimidating, this guy actually makes me more nervous than Mahomes and the start of that game we didn't finish didn't ease my concerns.  

Edited January 7, 2023 by KzooMike

[Dablitzkrieg]

That's probably one of the dumbest analogies I've ever read

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 I'll take whatever you're smoking. It's got to be some good sh!t man. Wtf did I just read?😂

Edited January 7, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Simon]

8 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

That's probably one of the dumbest analogies I've ever read

 

You mean you've never seen a snarling, bloodthirsty 250 lb puppy with raging mad eyes violently and repeatedly assault an opposing defense when food is on the table? 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I'll take whatever you're smoking. It got to be some good sh!t man. Wtf did I just read?😂

The cliff notes, Joe B is very underrated, he's in Allen's class. We never talk about him.  

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

You've never seen a snarling, bloodthirsty puppy with raging mad eyes violently and repeatedly assault an opposing defense when food is on the table? 

I see an overexcited kid slamming into a big pile. Joe B would slide. It's logical. I'm not slamming Josh at all. I didn't think of Joe B as even being in this convo, but he is and we should respect that he is. Again, he's as big a threat as Mahomes and the Chiefs.  

[LABILLBACKER]

That puppy is going to piss all over Belichick this Sunday. I guess the biggest fear I have with Joe is the ages of his top 2 wrs. At 22 & 23, Chase and Higgins are going to be a problem. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

11 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

The cliff notes, Joe B is very underrated, he's in Allen's class. We never talk about him.  

I see an overexcited kid slamming into a big pile. Joe B would slide. It's logical. I'm not slamming Josh at all. I didn't think of Joe B as even being in this convo, but he is and we should respect that he is. Again, he's as big a threat as Mahomes and the Chiefs.  

That’s two… your analogies are ridiculous and please stop before…well I’m afraid you should slide. Joe B is good, his receivers are great but your posts… let the games be played. 
 

There’s a puppy looking to do more than go to aSB and lose.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Let me help you out...Cincinnati Bengals Message Board / Forums - Home of Jungle Noise (thebengalsboard.com)

 

[Mikie2times]

The puppy thing is getting misunderstood. Puppies are amazing, incredible, aggressive, reckless, overexcited. Josh always seems to arrive back at this place at some point. He is 100x better than he was two years ago. 50x better than last year. Is he ever going to be like a Joe Burrow? No. If you actually watch that entire video, Joe B just doesn't care about football enough to piss on the carpet.

 

It matters, the dude is just cold blooded as a result of indifference and he gets the ball out as fast as anybody not named Brady. All we do is talk about Mahomes, once in awhile I hear about Herbert. I think the real threat is in southern Ohio. That is what this thread is about. 

 

I'm also sure as hell not saying I don't want Josh as my guy. He's our damn guy. Nobody on this forum even brings the Bengals up. 

Edited January 7, 2023 by KzooMike

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, KzooMike said:

The cliff notes, Joe B is very underrated, he's in Allen's class. We never talk about him.  

 

 He was unfortunate last year to follow the greatest playoff game ever. But besides that, I find it very foolish to say he isn't talked about. There's been plenty of discussion by the media this year about Burrow. To the point that the last month or so they haven't shut up about him. In that regard it took Josh years getting to where here is now, from a media coverage & respect standpoint. Gotta earn it and it takes more than a year to do so. 

 

 Coming into their game I was looking at their playoff run. 4 games, 5 td passes, 21 scoring drives, but 14 end in fgs. One could make a very compelling argument that McPherson was their MVP of their playoff run last year, not Burrow.

 

 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 He was unfortunate last year to follow the greatest playoff game ever. But besides that, I find it very foolish to say he isn't talked about. There's been plenty of discussion by the media this year about Burrow. To the point that the last month or so they haven't shut up about him. In that regard it took Josh years getting to where here is now, from a media coverage & respect standpoint. Gotta earn it and it takes more than a year to do so. 

 

 Coming into their game I was looking at their playoff run. 4 games, 5 td passes, 21 scoring drives, but 14 end in fgs. One could make a very compelling argument that McPherson was their MVP of their playoff run last year, not Burrow.

 

 

 

 

Dude, if SDS could tell us how many times Mahomes has been mentioned vs Burrow it would be 10 to 1

[Joe Ferguson]

Does Josh the puppy gets his nose rubbed in the carpet if he plays like crap?

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Joe Ferguson said:

Does Josh the puppy gets his nose rubbed in the carpet if he plays like crap?

He does it to himself, yes

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

7 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

Dude, if SDS could tell us how many times Mahomes has been mentioned vs Burrow it would be 10 to 1

 

 The Chiefs wouldn't have only scored 7 tds on 21 scoring drives either. Because Mahomes is far better than that. Just for reference Buffalo scored on 12 of 16 drives in the playoffs last yeat. All of them ended with a td. A 75% td rate for a playoff season. He threw almost twice as many tds, in half the games Burrow played in(9 vs 5). Do that and then he'll be mentioned with those 2. Don't be carried by your fg kicker in the playoffs. But we get it, you love Burrow. Cool.😎 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 7, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Kiva]

Both burrow and Mahomes are over rated. Josh could be the best if he’d play consistently. 

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 The Chiefs wouldn't have only scored 7 tds on 21 scoring drives either. Because Mahomes is far better than that. Just for reference Buffalo scored on 12 of 16 drives in the playoffs last yeat. All of them ended with a td. A 75% td rate for a playoff season. He threw almost twice as many tds, in half the games Burrow played in(9 vs 5). Do that and then he'll be mentioned with those 2. Don't be carried by your fg kicker in the playoffs. But we get it, you love Burrow. Cool.😎 

 

 

 

 

 

As I said, puppies get excited and do really well sometimes. All of us know how those stats were generated. Josh will remain my guy. Always. The people in this thread are delusional if they think Mahomes is our only threat or even that he's the main threat. Just as much if you think this is an anti Allen thread. None of you watched any of the videos. I didn't feel like I do now until I did. It's not an act, he doesn't give a F and it matters. That doesn't mean I want him to be our QB.

 

This is a more of a FML the Bengals are possibly as a big or worse a threat as KC and nobody here respects that at all. Which makes it even worse. 

Edited January 7, 2023 by KzooMike

[Big Turk]

44 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

The narrative is Mahomes and Allen, but only Burrow and Mahomes have reached a Super Bowl. Burrow has never lost to Mahomes. 

 

I stumbled across this video on Burrow and it really made me think.

 

 

One, I have eaten at the restaurant this is being filmed in. More importantly. Joe "Kool", he's not really Joe ____ . He just doesn't give that many F's. Which made me think of this video on you tube 

 

 

It's not that he's an elite leader, he's just indifferent to the noise because he knows its all just WWE and holy hell that has to matter in clutch moments.

 

Josh on the other hand is a puppy and that is not an insult. Outside of two-three countries we all love puppies. They're pure energy and enthusiasm but puppies will get too excited and piss on the carpet. Puppies have higher swings. They burn brighter and fade quicker. 

 

The video is intimidating, this guy actually makes me more nervous than Mahomes and the start of that game we didn't finish didn't ease my concerns.  

 

Did you watch Allen's performance in last year's playoffs?

 

It was the greatest QB performance in NFL history in the playoffs. 2 games, 9 TDs, 0 INTs, 14 total incompletions, QB rating 149.0

 

Did you compare what Burrow did? No comparison.

 

Oh yeah, Allen also has the highest QB rating in NFL postseason history.

 

When the chips are down, the lights are brightest, the stage is biggest and the game matters the most, there is nobody I am taking over Allen. He plays his best in those moments.

Edited January 7, 2023 by Big Turk

[Simon]

24 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

The puppy thing is getting misunderstood.

 

I think because it's damning him with faint praise.

You need a more equitable comparison to credit both guys, two sides of the same coin as it were.

Joe Burrow is the calm, collected, intelligent and analytical Bruce Banner. Until he turns green and becomes Josh Allen.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, Kiva said:

Both burrow and Mahomes are over rated. Josh could be the best if he’d play consistently. 

 Consistency is one of the absolute key characteristics in determining the best. The other two are more so.. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, KzooMike said:

As I said, puppies get excited and do really well sometimes. All of us know how those stats were generated. Josh will remain my guy. Always. The people in this thread are delusional if they think Mahomes is our only threat or even that he's the main threat. Just as much if you think this is an anti Allen thread. None of you watched any of the videos. I didn't feel like I do now until I did. It's not an act, he doesn't give a F. It matters. That doesn't mean I want him to be our QB. This isn't an anti Allen thread. This is a, FML the Bengals are possibly as a big or worse a threat as KC and nobody here respects that at all. Which makes it even worse. Peace out on this thread. Let the rest of the crowd respond to the subject like it's a Allen hate thread, not watch the videos, then post like topic matter experts. 

 

 How much exactly is Burrow and how much is having 3 unbelievable weapons at WR. Diggs is awesome, but Josh doesn't have anything close to what Burrow has. Yet their passing stats are really close and then you have to account for the big difference in Josh's rushing stats. Either way what I'm saying is Josh would have alot, lot better stats throwing to those 3, a far better OL and having a former OC for a HC. Burrow has all the advantages yet is only even at best.

 

 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 How much exactly is Burrow and how much is having 3 unbelievable weapons at WR. Diggs is awesome, but Josh doesn't have anything close to what Burrow has. Yet their passing stats are really close and then you have to account for the big difference in Josh's rushing stats. Either way what I'm saying is Josh would have alot, lot better stats throwing to those 3, a far better OL and having a former OC for a HC. Burrow has all the advantages yet is only even at best.

 

 

 

 

So I made this a Allen / Burrow thread, but it might as well be a Bills / Bengals thread. At the end of the day you figure it will be decided by them. With the weapons they both have, is KC the only team you're worried about? Did Burrow just crap his pants into being one defensive holding call away from have his first SB off a severe injury in his second season? 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, KzooMike said:

Did Burrow just crap his pants into being one defensive holding call away from have his first SB off a severe injury in his second season? 

Did Josh crap his pants leading his team to a GW drive, only to watch 13 seconds of defensive malpractice?

[Low Positive]

43 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

That puppy is going to piss all over Belichick this Sunday. I guess the biggest fear I have with Joe is the ages of his top 2 wrs. At 22 & 23, Chase and Higgins are going to be a problem. 

Mike Brown has no money. They will have to let Higgins go once his rookie contract is up and everyone here in Cincinnati knows that.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

9 minutes ago, Kiva said:

Both burrow and Mahomes are over rated. Josh could be the best if he’d play consistently. 

 

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 Consistency is one of the absolute key characteristics in determining the best. The other two are more so.. 

 

 Neither is asked to carry the weight Josh does for this offense. Going into the Chicago game in week 16 Josh pass or ran for 87% of all the tds scored on offense and had 81.5% of the offenses total yards. The thing with Burrow is, if he couldn't be consistent with the best 3 weapon combo at WR in the NFL, then I don't know when he could be. They also both have former OCs for HCs over Josh having a former DC. That's a big advantage for those 2. The guess the question is could Mahomes & Burrow be as consistent if they had to carry the same workload, including the runs and doing so for a former DC as HC?

 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Did Josh crap his pants leading his team to a GW drive, only to watch 13 seconds of defensive malpractice?

I'm not hear to discuss individual success or failure. I love Josh. We are obsessed with KC, it's time we wake up. 

Just now, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 

 Neither is asked to carry the weight Josh does for this offense. Going into the Chicago game in week 16 Josh pass or ran for 87% of all the tds scored on offense and had 81.5% of the offenses total yards. The thing with Burrow is, if he couldn't be consistent with the best 3 weapon combo at WR in the NFL, then I don't know when he could be. They also both have former OCs for HCs over Josh having a former DC. That's a big advantage for those 2. The guess the question is could Mahomes & Burrow be as consistent if they had to carry the same workload, including the runs and doing so for a former DC as HC?

 

 

 

Dude, I really don't care to measure Josh like an MLB pitcher, I understand his xFIP is exceptional, but in the NFL ERA matters more. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, KzooMike said:

I'm not hear to discuss individual success or failure. I love Josh. We are obsessed with KC, it's time we wake up. 

Burrow and the Bengals get plenty of respect here; stop acting like they don’t.  Chiefs are the measuring stick because they have beaten us twice to meet our goal.  

 

[Ya Digg?]

Just now, KzooMike said:

I'm not hear to discuss individual success or failure. I love Josh. We are obsessed with KC, it's time we wake up. 

Unless you’ve been under a rock people have been talking about the Bengals all season. Everyone understands they are dangerous, your analogy (as has been pointed out several times) is pretty disingenuous. Burrow gets a lot of praise around here, but Mahomes and the Chiefs have been doing it consistently for longer.

 

if people weren’t giving Burrow and the Bengals enough credit, why was everyone on here last week calling it the game of the year?

[KDIGGZ]

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Ya Digg? said:

Unless you’ve been under a rock people have been talking about the Bengals all season. Everyone understands they are dangerous, your analogy (as has been pointed out several times) is pretty disingenuous. Burrow gets a lot of praise around here, but Mahomes and the Chiefs have been doing it consistently for longer.

 

if people weren’t giving Burrow and the Bengals enough credit, why was everyone on here last week calling it the game of the year?

 

1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Burrow and the Bengals get plenty of respect here; stop acting like they don’t.  Chiefs are the measuring stick because they have beaten us twice to meet our goal.  

 

NOBODY has talked about the Bengals. Again, minimum 10 to 1 vs KC. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 

 Neither is asked to carry the weight Josh does for this offense. Going into the Chicago game in week 16 Josh pass or ran for 87% of all the tds scored on offense and had 81.5% of the offenses total yards. The thing with Burrow is, if he couldn't be consistent with the best 3 weapon combo at WR in the NFL, then I don't know when he could be. They also both have former OCs for HCs over Josh having a former DC. That's a big advantage for those 2. The guess the question is could Mahomes & Burrow be as consistent if they had to carry the same workload, including the runs and doing so for a former DC as HC?

 

 

 

Sure, but you can spin the question around and say if Josh were more consistent, would he need to do all the Superman stuff? 
 

he doesn’t need to keep so often on the run option plays, he doesn’t need to hold the ball so long and refuse the check down or chain mover. 
 

The inconsistency and superhero moments go hand in hand. 
 

the most poignant example is boring Brady just completing 7 yard pass after 7 yard pass all the way to canton 

[Ya Digg?]

5 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

 

NOBODY has talked about the Bengals. Again, minimum 10 to 1 vs KC. 

They have been doing it longer and they are the team that has ended the Bills season the last 2 years!! How are you not understanding that? It’s ironic that you call Josh a puppy because your whole point has become a puppy-really fun, it’s cute, but completely harmless 

 

Today must be your first day on here if you think the Bengals don’t get talked about 

Edited January 7, 2023 by Ya Digg?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

6 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

So I made this a Allen / Burrow thread, but it might as well be a Bills / Bengals thread. At the end of the day you figure it will be decided by them. With the weapons they both have, is KC the only team you're worried about? Did Burrow just crap his pants into being one defensive holding call away from have his first SB off a severe injury in his second season? 

 

 You keep making their SB run about him. Go rewatch the 4 games and tell me what you see. A team carried by an opportunistic defense and a fg kicker who went 14/14. The defense had 10 sacks, 8 ints and a fumble recovery in 4 games. Heck Burrow's best game in the playoffs(vs the Raiders) is about what Josh averages in a playoff game. Puppy my arse, only if it's a pit bull.

 

 

On top of that you have to ask, should he even have been in the SB in the 1st place. Let's not forget the blown call in the WC round against the Raiders where they got the deciding td on a play where the ref blew the whistle in the middle of the play and half the players quit playing thinking the play was over. By run the ball is supposed to go back to the los and the play reran. Instead they got an unearned td. 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

They have been doing it longer and they are the team that has ended the Bills season the last 2 years!! How are you not understanding that? It’s ironic that you call Josh a puppy but your whole point has become a puppy-really fun, it’s cute, but completely harmless 

 

Today must be your first day on here if you think the Bengals don’t get talked about 

Click on my profile, the first one was deleted with the site migration to twobillsdrive.com 

[Big Blitz]

34 minutes ago, Kiva said:

Both burrow and Mahomes are over rated. Josh could be the best if he’d play consistently. 

He just wins.  
 

Higgins in addition to Chase is what makes the Bengals a problem.  
 

If Tua puts up numbers and wins with Waddle and Hill….it’s not much different to me.  

What’s been the difference with Tua and Burrow?  Not much.  
 

 

Josh does so much more with less.  

 

Edited January 7, 2023 by Big Blitz

[Mikie2times]

Just now, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 You keep making their SB run about him. Go rewatch the 4 games and tell me what you see. A team carried by an opportunistic defense and a fg kicker who went 14/14. The defense had 10 sacks, 8 ints and a fumble recovery in 4 games. Heck Burrow's best game in the playoffs(vs the Raiders) is about what Josh averages in a playoff game. Puppy my arse, only if it's a pit bull.

 

 

On top of that you have to ask, should he even have been in the SB in the 1st place. Let's not forget the blown call in the WC round against the Raiders where they got the deciding td on a play where the ref blew the whistle in the middle of the play and half the players quit playing thinking the play was over. By run the ball is supposed to go back to the los and the play reran. Instead they got an unearned td. 

 

I bet money on the Raiders game. On the Raiders. That call maid me want to crush humans but at the end of the day the Bengals outplayed them. He was sacked 7 times vs Tennessee. What would Josh do if he was sacked 7 times? Again, for the 50th time. Watch the video. You will see why I'm worried about him. I haven't seen any athlete with this mental attitude.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

14 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

I'm not hear to discuss individual success or failure. 

 

 Yet you're whole premise is based on individuals and not teams, yes? Therefore you have to be able to discuss individual success or failures in this thread. Holy crap. Hypocrite much?

 

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, KzooMike said:

I bet money on the Raiders game. On the Raiders. That call maid me want to crush humans but at the end of the day the Bengals outplayed them. He was sacked 7 times vs Tennessee. What would Josh do if he was sacked 7 times? Again, for the 50th time. Watch the video. You will see why I'm worried about him. I haven't seen any athlete with this mental attitude.

So this thread isn’t really about the Bengals, it’s your confessional about your man crush on Burrow!  And as usual, these threads end up bringing out the Josh doubters.   

[Big Blitz]

Oh and our playoff run may very well be having to deal with 

 

Waddle/Hill

 

Higgins/Chase

 

Mahomes/Kelce - or Herbert/Williams/Keenan

 

 

That run right there is why the absence of Hyde this year has kind of lurked in the background the way we felt when we lost Tre. 

 

Yea and no Von.  
 

That’s why getting the 1 seed and home field is such a big deal this season for this group.  

 

I really want to find the poster that was edited about the idea of Watson joining the AFC East and just smack him in the face.  

[Mikie2times]

Just now, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Yet you're whole premise is based on individuals and not teams, yes? Therefore you have to be able to discuss individual success or failures in this thread. Holy crap. Hypocrite much?

 

 

 

Dude, if you spin a topic chop it up contort it and move it to what direction you want then congrats 😄

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

So this thread isn’t really about the Bengals, it’s your confessional about your man crush on Burrow!  And as usual, these threads end up bringing out the Josh doubters.   

You can look at my post history. It's 20 years long. Outside of when he was 8 years old, all my posts on this subject have been pretty neutral.