Billsfan1972 Posted December 11, 2022 Author Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) Now I'll double down. Pathetic today. Can they make one contested catch? Counted at least four to five passes that should have been caught. No help for Allen. Edited December 11, 2022 by Billsfan1972 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 6 that I can remember. Brown, Mckenzie killed 2 drives, Singletary on 2nd last drive, Knox with at least 2. The amount of drops is brutal. Almost have to roll the dice with OBJ. I’d try Hines more too. Knox is the most disappointing. If a defender is anywhere close, he’s dropping the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 11, 2022 Author Share Posted December 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: 6 that I can remember. Brown, Mckenzie killed 2 drives, Singletary on 2nd last drive, Knox with at least 2. The amount of drops is brutal. Almost have to roll the dice with OBJ. I’d try Hines more too. Knox is the most disappointing. If a defender is anywhere close, he’s dropping the ball. But it's not a problem and I am the one who needs my eyes checked...... They weren't easy catches (some were drops), but help Allen once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Worthington Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Yup, it’s been a theme all season. Opposing teams making highlight catches and Bills’ receivers dropping mildly contested catches. Really pisses me off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, Professor Worthington said: Yup, it’s been a theme all season. Opposing teams making highlight catches and Bills’ receivers dropping mildly contested catches. Really pisses me off. They don't need to be playing the Bills, but it is tough to watch opponents do it against them. Today was just terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I always laugh when people say “Gabe didn’t drop it. It was a PBU”. Do they not realize that Gabe is paid to catch the ball despite the defense trying to stop it?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 The Chargers WR just made a great contested catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 It’s like they’re so focused on YAC they forgot about actually making it. 4 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: 6 that I can remember. Brown, Mckenzie killed 2 drives, Singletary on 2nd last drive, Knox with at least 2. The amount of drops is brutal. Almost have to roll the dice with OBJ. I’d try Hines more too. Knox is the most disappointing. If a defender is anywhere close, he’s dropping the ball. Brown? Dude was targeted once and the DROY made a hell of a play. Would’ve been a heck of a catch for a 32 year old practice squad guy who was sitting at him 2 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: It’s like they’re so focused on YAC they forgot about actually making it. Brown? Dude was targeted once and the DROY made a hell of a play. Would’ve been a heck of a catch for a 32 year old practice squad guy who was sitting at him 2 weeks ago. Omg the excuses. He had both hands on it before the NYJ player broke it up. It was not contested or simultaneous, he had the catch and didn't come down with it. His job is to hold on to it. It is the point of the thread. The Bills don't seem to make those catches as often as other players. Edited December 12, 2022 by Billsfan1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Now I'll double down. Pathetic today. Can they make one contested catch? Counted at least four to five passes that should have been caught. No help for Allen. Do the Detroit Lions have a better receiving corp than the Bills right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: Do the Detroit Lions have a better receiving corp than the Bills right now? You tell me? A bunch of no names, playing in a dome and Goff throwing for 300+ a game. They seem to be making those catches though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 12/10/2022 at 10:01 AM, TheBrownBear said: Donuts, thanks for posting the catch percentage numbers. I don't think you can draw too many conclusions from those though, because those numbers are greatly influenced by the types and depth of routes these guys are being targeted in, and the quarterback play they are paired with. My eyeballs tell me that Isiah and Gabe seem to drop far too many important, catchable balls. It is worrisome. Then I watched the chargers last night and their top two guys caught everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, foreboding said: My eyeballs tell me that Isiah and Gabe seem to drop far too many important, catchable balls. It is worrisome. Then I watched the chargers last night and their top two guys caught everything. But but but...... Your eyeballs & mine are wrong.🤣 Again I'm not talking drops in this thread, it is the tough catch or winning that one on one battle. The Brown pass and the Knox one were two perfect examples where in each case the Bill had both hands on the ball before the NYJ defender and then couldn't maintain possession. There were others too yesterday and then there were the drops too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: You tell me? A bunch of no names, playing in a dome and Goff throwing for 300+ a game. They seem to be making those catches though. Diggs is the only known on the Bills. Chark, St. Brown, Jameson Williams. All top collegiate receivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Is there a stat different from targets that reflects "catchable targets?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Diggs is the only known on the Bills. Chark, St. Brown, Jameson Williams. All top collegiate receivers Chark 61st pick and did have one good year and also has 20 catches this year and 7 last year. St. Brown was a 4th round pick (like Davis) Williams 12th pick, but hasn't played. 5 minutes ago, Chaos said: Is there a stat different from targets that reflects "catchable targets?" Been searching for it and sure it is somewhere. As said Diggs 71% completion rate means little if 15% of the balls were uncatchable. Drops though mean something as would contested/tough catches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Chark 61st pick and did have one good year and also has 20 catches this year and 7 last year. St. Brown was a 4th round pick (like Davis) Williams 12th pick, but hasn't played. Been searching for it and sure it is somewhere. As said Diggs 71% completion rate means little if 15% of the balls were uncatchable. Drops though mean something as would contested/tough catches. I suppose targets minus catches minus drops means uncatchable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Outside of Diggs the Bills have nothing at WR. Sorry to the Davis and Mckenzie fans but they are both too high on a depth chart for what they bring to the team. I am not sure what Beanes plan is going to be for next year but they need a #2 who can separate consistently and actually catch the ball without battling with their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Outside of Diggs the Bills have nothing at WR. Sorry to the Davis and Mckenzie fans but they are both too high on a depth chart for what they bring to the team. I am not sure what Beanes plan is going to be for next year but they need a #2 who can separate consistently and actually catch the ball without battling with their hands. OBJ????? Maybe you are right as they have shown week after week and the reason I started this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 McKenzie should be shown the door Davis should be regulated to a depth WR Knox should be replaced with a true #1 TE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 McKenzie is a liability. Needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I think we all hung out hats on Gabe Davis having his breakout WR2 year and he hasn’t come close to it. Injuries and some mid round rookies have also hampered us. It’s clear we need to grab a WR2 high in the draft somewhere as well as address offensive line issues that are allowing too much to get through to Josh Allen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Worthington Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Here’s another thing my son noticed: sometimes Gabe tries to catch the ball like a RB would receive the ball from the QB-with one hand under and one hand over. I can’t believe a receiver’s coach allows him to do this. It’s an awful way to attempt catching a football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Chark 61st pick and did have one good year and also has 20 catches this year and 7 last year. St. Brown was a 4th round pick (like Davis) Williams 12th pick, but hasn't played. Been searching for it and sure it is somewhere. As said Diggs 71% completion rate means little if 15% of the balls were uncatchable. Drops though mean something as would contested/tough catches. Williams caught a TD yesterday. 1st game from injury. Chark was injured too Edited December 12, 2022 by Solomon Grundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 They can't catch the ball in 1 vs 0 scenarios, much less 1 vs 1 or contested catches. I know good Wrs and can be divas and want the ball all the time, but even Diggs is probably asking for some help at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 6 hours ago, ddaryl said: McKenzie should be shown the door Davis should be regulated to a depth WR Knox should be replaced with a true #1 TE There are two, maybe three "true #1 TE" in the NFL. You're crazy if you think Knox can be easily replaced. He's been hindered all season and gets limited opportunities to actually run routes because he has to pass block all the time because the line is garbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: There are two, maybe three "true #1 TE" in the NFL. You're crazy if you think Knox can be easily replaced. He's been hindered all season and gets limited opportunities to actually run routes because he has to pass block all the time because the line is garbo. Knox is the only 1 that is not easily replaceable, and I think he is just average. Could be upgraded, but would be hard, too expensive as he already is paid well above average. Bad contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Knox is the only 1 that is not easily replaceable, and I think he is just average. Could be upgraded, but would be hard, too expensive as he already is paid well above average. Bad contract I don't think it's a bad contract at all, frankly. You can complain about the lack of production but part of that is a lack of opportunity because they need him to pass block, and part of it is Dorsey's scheme. Knox is electric with the ball in hands, the Bills just haven't capitalized on it in meaningful ways this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Just need Knox to make that catch or two when needed. Lately when we need him to hold on to the ball, he hasn't. Inconsistent this year and not enough catches. Edited December 12, 2022 by Billsfan1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 16 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Just need Knox to make that catch or two when needed. Lately when we need him to hold on to the ball, he hasn't. Inconsistent this year and not enough catches. Yeah, although it seemed like last year, when he got more volume, his catch % went up. When you get 1 or 2 balls a game- he might press. I dont love our playcalling right now and I suspect much of it has to do with a porous offensive line that is limiting everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 17 hours ago, Bruffalo said: There are two, maybe three "true #1 TE" in the NFL. You're crazy if you think Knox can be easily replaced. He's been hindered all season and gets limited opportunities to actually run routes because he has to pass block all the time because the line is garbo. he can stay on the team he just is not proving to be a #1 TE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, ddaryl said: he can stay on the team he just is not proving to be a #1 TE. There are 4, maybe 5 TEs who I'd rather have over Knox. Considering that there are 32 #1 TE jobs in the league, I'm gonna disagree with you wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bruffalo said: There are 4, maybe 5 TEs who I'd rather have over Knox. Considering that there are 32 #1 TE jobs in the league, I'm gonna disagree with you wholeheartedly. Knox is has regressed this year in the pass catching department. When compared to other TE's this year 17 in receptions 18th in targets 19th in yards Edited December 13, 2022 by ddaryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Knox is has regressed this year in the pass catching department. When compared to other TE's this year 16 in receptions 18th in targets 19th in yards I'm not sure how that doesn't jive with what I already said. He's been hindered this year because of poor offensive line play. Get him more targets and all those numbers will go up. I don't think it is Knox level of play that is keeping his targets down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, Bruffalo said: I'm not sure how that doesn't jive with what I already said. He's been hindered this year because of poor offensive line play. Get him more targets and all those numbers will go up. I don't think it is Knox level of play that is keeping his targets down. Yeah I'm still looking at those dropped passes and the lack for making tough catches when needed I like the guy, but we can do better in the TE department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 It’s frustrating because they are ‘winning’ their routes they just can’t complete the catch…which is why winning is in quotes 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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