Election Week Malfunctions, Anomalies etc...

[KDIGGZ]

Voter fraud alert:

I know people that do this for their entire family (1 person filled it all out democrat for their grandma, grandpa, mom, dad, 2 kids). Their kids have the social skills of a rock and I doubt they can spell democrat let alone care who is running. Grandma and grandpa don't know what day it is. Wife apparently wasn't going to vote, didn't like either choice. Then he bragged that the Dems had 6 votes coming in. Now times that by millions of ballots. If you can't be bothered to go down to the polling station to show ID and vote in person then you shouldn't get a vote. Simple as that

 

[cle23]

30 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Having 9 House Races undecided, over a week after the election, when leadership position jockeying and orientations are going on is absurd. 
 

Having almost two months of early voting is a joke.  Over 70% of PA’s votes were in before the debate.  Katie Hobbs never even debated Kari Lake once.  Debates should be mandatory in an election, and no votes should be cast before one has occurred.  
 

Having a substantial percentage of machines fail on Election Day in a razor thin margin state, causing massive lines and confusion is unacceptable. 
 

If trust in our elections continues to erode, we will no longer have a functioning country.   If no changes are made, R’s will eventually figure out how to match Dems in legal ballot harvesting, and we will have two months of ballot harvest machinery in play by both sides followed by weeks of sorting out of the votes.  That is absolutely opening up the process to fraud and distrust. 
 

Our system in a handful of states is currently a joke.  Everyone knows it.  Even you. 
 

 

I agree with most of what you said, except this: 

 

"Debates should be mandatory in an election, and no votes should be cast before one has occurred.  "

 

The debates are pointless.  95% of people have already decided well before the debate who they will vote for, mostly by whatever letter is by their name.  Also, the debates are pointless in the sense that it is all just personal attacks on the other candidate and very, very little actual substance.  I wish there was a rule that you can only speak as to what you plan to accomplish, with no attacks on each other at all.  But that'll never happen as it'll drive down ratings.

19 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Voter fraud alert:

I know people that do this for their entire family (1 person filled it all out democrat for their grandma, grandpa, mom, dad, 2 kids). Their kids have the social skills of a rock and I doubt they can spell democrat let alone care who is running. Grandma and grandpa don't know what day it is. Wife apparently wasn't going to vote, didn't like either choice. Then he bragged that the Dems had 6 votes coming in. Now times that by millions of ballots. If you can't be bothered to go down to the polling station to show ID and vote in person then you shouldn't get a vote. Simple as that

 

 

This isn't just a Democrat issue though.  It happens on both sides.  And the issue there being that there are millions of legitimate votes that wouldn't get counted if that was the case.

[KDIGGZ]

35 minutes ago, cle23 said:

This isn't just a Democrat issue though.  It happens on both sides.  And the issue there being that there are millions of legitimate votes that wouldn't get counted if that was the case.

Democrats vote by mail at disturbingly high numbers, it's disproportionate. If you can't go to a polling location and show ID then you don't get to vote imo

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

If you can't go to a polling location and show ID then you don't get to vote imo

Should people unable to leave a hospital/nursing facility be disenfranchised? Should active duty servicemen abroad? 
Look, you have a point, but your point is way too broad. 
As for debates: no, I wouldn’t try to require them (and for federal office, I see no authority to require them). The opponent can make what she will of the refusal to debate, and the voters can decide whether that matters. 

[BillStime]

11 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Democrats vote by mail at disturbingly high numbers, it's disproportionate. If you can't go to a polling location and show ID then you don't get to vote imo

And that’s illegal or just - smart? 
 

It’s too bad Conald had to spoil mail in voting for MAGA as he knew he was so corrupt and unpopular that he had to build in an excuse for his loss 8 MONTHS BEFORE THE 2020 ELECTION.

 

[KDIGGZ]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

And that’s illegal or just - smart? 
 

It’s too bad Conald had to spoil mail in voting for MAGA as he knew he was so corrupt and unpopular that he had to build in an excuse for his loss 8 MONTHS BEFORE THE 2020 ELECTION.

 

I'm not a republican, I don't care what the Donald says. It's just common sense

[BillStime]

22 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

I'm not a republican, I don't care what the Donald says. It's just common sense

What is common sense? Forcing everyone to show up and vote in person?

[KDIGGZ]

24 minutes ago, BillStime said:

What is common sense? Forcing everyone to show up and vote in person?

Yes because then there is no fraud. If you don't care to go vote then you shouldn't care who wins

[BillStime]

27 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Yes because then there is no fraud. If you don't care to go vote then you shouldn't care who wins

 

But no one has yet to prove widespread election fraud exists... Trump tried with all his might to create the illusion of fraud planting lawsuits all over the place... and well, it worked on the likes of @BillsFanNC, @Foxx, @Buffalo_Gal, @Doc,  @B-Man etc... but he lost in the court of law.

 

If there was widespread fraud - Trump would NOT have hired this: mess:

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by BillStime

[cle23]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

Democrats vote by mail at disturbingly high numbers, it's disproportionate. If you can't go to a polling location and show ID then you don't get to vote imo

 

That is just recently though, not the long term data.  The most recent presidential election, yes, it was much higher in democratic percentage, but that is also going along with a lot of the COVID situation, with democratic voters being much more likely to follow the guidelines.  Hell, Trump encouraged people to ignore the guidelines, and obviously his voters were disproportionately Republicans.  Historically the numbers have been much more even, though they do tend to lean Democrat some.

 

In 2018, 25% of people voted by mail.  Should we just invalidate 25% of votes then?  

25 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Yes because then there is no fraud. If you don't care to go vote then you shouldn't care who wins

 

You do know that mail in voting started in the Civil War era, right?  But somehow only recently it became "fraudulent."

[ChiGoose]

2 hours ago, Brueggs said:

Your silence speaks louder than words...

 

Lol. I have a job, buddy. If I were to spend the time to refute all of the lies, misinformation, and baseless conjecture on this site, I'd need to quit my job.

[Brueggs]

33 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Lol. I have a job, buddy. If I were to spend the time to refute all of the lies, misinformation, and baseless conjecture on this site, I'd need to quit my job.

Yeah, I hear you.  But you seem pretty active none the less.  That being said, its kind of interesting that you've spent more time trying to not answer, that you would have had if you actually answered.  I'm starting to think you might actually be a government employee.  

[KDIGGZ]

1 hour ago, cle23 said:

 

That is just recently though, not the long term data.  The most recent presidential election, yes, it was much higher in democratic percentage, but that is also going along with a lot of the COVID situation, with democratic voters being much more likely to follow the guidelines.  Hell, Trump encouraged people to ignore the guidelines, and obviously his voters were disproportionately Republicans.  Historically the numbers have been much more even, though they do tend to lean Democrat some.

 

In 2018, 25% of people voted by mail.  Should we just invalidate 25% of votes then?  

 

You do know that mail in voting started in the Civil War era, right?  But somehow only recently it became "fraudulent."

I've seen it happen with my own eyes so I know it happens. So why not close that loophole?

[ChiGoose]

46 minutes ago, Brueggs said:

Yeah, I hear you.  But you seem pretty active none the less.  That being said, its kind of interesting that you've spent more time trying to not answer, that you would have had if you actually answered.  I'm starting to think you might actually be a government employee.  

Do you have a specific question you'd like me to answer?

 

Or just more vagaries stemming from a lack of understanding of elections administration? 

[cle23]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

I've seen it happen with my own eyes so I know it happens. So why not close that loophole?

 

I am all for closing THAT loophole.  But not removing all mail in ballots as a way to do it, as you suggested.

[Brueggs]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

Do you have a specific question you'd like me to answer?

 

Or just more vagaries stemming from a lack of understanding of elections administration? 

Do you think there is a remote possibility that elections can be rigged?

Is there a conspiracy theory that you believe in?

[ChiGoose]

35 minutes ago, Brueggs said:

Do you think there is a remote possibility that elections can be rigged?

Is there a conspiracy theory that you believe in?

Sure, there is a remote possibility of fraud. And if there was evidence of it, I might consider it as more than a remote possibility. 
 

But there is no evidence of it, so I find it hard to believe. 

[BillsFanNC]

Edited November 19, 2022 by BillsFanNC

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

see that? You can “find” votes after all. 

[Orlando Tim]

On 11/16/2022 at 5:56 PM, cle23 said:

 

 

You do know that mail in voting started in the Civil War era, right?  But somehow only recently it became "fraudulent."

Before 2020 no states mailed out live ballots to everyone in the state, before 2020 all states that allowed mailed in ballots had requirements to receive them and additional steps to verify them before they were counted. Only now do we allow votes without proper dates and signatures to be accepted without being certain the person who they were sent to even recieved them. Florida has a huge amount of mail in ballots but it is secure, only the ignorant would compare that to Pennsylvania who accepted undated and unsigned ballots in 2020 as acceptable and call them the same. 

[BillsFanNC]

50 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Before 2020 no states mailed out live ballots to everyone in the state, before 2020 all states that allowed mailed in ballots had requirements to receive them and additional steps to verify them before they were counted. Only now do we allow votes without proper dates and signatures to be accepted without being certain the person who they were sent to even recieved them. Florida has a huge amount of mail in ballots but it is secure, only the ignorant would compare that to Pennsylvania who accepted undated and unsigned ballots in 2020 as acceptable and call them the same. 

 

Also only the ignorant would think that states that send out ballots to people who don't even request one, let alone to every single voter on the rolls, is holding anything remotely close to a secure election.

 

But hey....most secure election in US history!!!

[BillsFanNC]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

The Democrat in CO-3 conceded before the mandated recount and issued a statement that he does not want the recount to happen.

 

He even issued a statement to his donors to not contribute money to his campaign for the recount because he wants nothing to do with it.
 

Lauren Boebert (i) R 163,832 50.1%
Adam Frisch  D 163,278 49.9%

 

 

🤔

 

The recount is mandated by state law.

 

[B-Man]

 

Georgia county election officials reverse course after finding more votes

BizPac Review, by Chris Donaldson

 

Election officials in an Atlanta-area city were left with egg dripping from their faces when they were forced to reverse results in a city council race after the results had been certified due to a memory card with additional votes being discovered, not exactly something that bolsters voter confidence with the critical Senate runoff between Herschel Walker and Raphael Warnock only weeks away. 

 

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/11/19/georgia-county-election-officials-reverse-course-after-finding-more-votes-1310739/

 

 

 

Ariz. AG Takes Action - Ballots Reported in Black Duffle Bags - Officials Broke Election Laws - State Demands Names

The Western Journal, by Randy DeSoto

 

Arizona Assistant Attorney General Jennifer Wright — with the Elections Integrity Unit — wrote a letter to the Maricopa County officials Saturday demanding an accounting for the widespread ballot tabulation and ballot printer problems seen during the general election on Nov. 8. Among the most troubling issues raised in the letter directed to Thomas Liddy with the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office was the apparent co-mingling of ballots in black duffle bags in at least one polling location, which were successfully run through the on-site tabulators with those put in “Door 3” to be sent to the Election Department’s downtown Phoenix tabulation center because they could not be read.

 

https://www.westernjournal.com/breaking-ariz-ag-takes-action-ballots-reported-black-duffle-bags-officials-broke-election-laws-state-demands-names/

[ChiGoose]

Oh look, words have consequences. The same conspiracies that PPP loves and always falls for also leads to threats and violence against the targets of those conspiracies. 
 

Who could have thought?!

 

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/maricopa-county-chairman-moved-to-undisclosed-location-for-safety-after-midterm-elections?taid=637a4129eaedf20001098434&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Actions have consequences.

 

 

Everyone could have thought that.

[Doc]

Death threats against public officials?  That's something new...

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Death threats against public officials?  That's something new...

 

It's almost as if vilifying specific people and telling the masses that they are doing horrible things helps to drive violence against them...

[Doc]

33 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

It's almost as if vilifying specific people and telling the masses that they are doing horrible things helps to drive violence against them...

Happens all the time unfortunately.  That’s not a defense, just the facts. Being in the public eye puts a crosshair on you.

[Big Blitz]

 

[ChiGoose]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

Happens all the time unfortunately.  That’s not a defense, just the facts. Being in the public eye puts a crosshair on you.

 

Until recently, elections administrators were not in the public eye. Nor were trans people or drag queen brunches part of the discourse either.

 

But, it seems that some people like to demonize these people, doxx them, and then pretend surprise when violence occurs. Rinse and repeat. Continue spewing nonsense and hate while lives are ended by those listening to your message. Just make sure you keep enough of an arm's distance to be able to claim innocence even though it is very obvious what is going on.

[Doc]

57 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Until recently, elections administrators were not in the public eye. Nor were trans people or drag queen brunches part of the discourse either.

 

But, it seems that some people like to demonize these people, doxx them, and then pretend surprise when violence occurs. Rinse and repeat. Continue spewing nonsense and hate while lives are ended by those listening to your message. Just make sure you keep enough of an arm's distance to be able to claim innocence even though it is very obvious what is going on.

 

Or bakers refusing to bake cakes for LGBTQ+ people.  You can thank social media for all of it.

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Or bakers refusing to bake cakes for LGBTQ+ people.  You can thank social media for all of it.

Yes, there are plenty of social media sites and accounts that target hate at specific individuals. Like, claiming that anyone who supports LGBT rights is a pedophile groomer or by following election law, an administrator is stealing the election. 
 

 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Yes, there are plenty of social media sites and accounts that target hate at specific individuals. Like, claiming that anyone who supports LGBT rights is a pedophile groomer or by following election law, an administrator is stealing the election.

 

Yup, lots of hate going around.  But of what rights are LGBTQ being deprived?

[aristocrat]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Until recently, elections administrators were not in the public eye. Nor were trans people or drag queen brunches part of the discourse either.

 

But, it seems that some people like to demonize these people, doxx them, and then pretend surprise when violence occurs. Rinse and repeat. Continue spewing nonsense and hate while lives are ended by those listening to your message. Just make sure you keep enough of an arm's distance to be able to claim innocence even though it is very obvious what is going on.

it wasn’t until recently that the government was paying for drag queens to show up at schools or that the us mens soccer team changed their colors to the rainbow. They’ve injected themselves into the national conversation.  Two things can be true…their community should exist but also some limits on how elements of their community are displayed. There are plenty of weird ass straight people I don’t want at my kids school. Some things are just inappropriate for kids you know?

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

it wasn’t until recently that the government was paying for drag queens to show up at schools or that the us mens soccer team changed their colors to the rainbow. They’ve injected themselves into the national conversation.  Two things can be true…their community should exist but also some limits on how elements of their community are displayed. There are plenty of weird ass straight people I don’t want at my kids school. Some things are just inappropriate for kids you know?

I fail to see how acknowledging that gay people exist is inappropriate.

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

I fail to see how acknowledging that gay people exist is inappropriate.

I didn’t say that what was inappropriate. 

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

I didn’t say that what was inappropriate. 

Ok cool. Then we can agree that the US celebrating the LGBT community is unambiguously a good thing. Glad that this is settled. 

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

Ok cool. Then we can agree that the US celebrating the LGBT community is unambiguously a good thing. Glad that this is settled. 

See you’re proving the point. At this point in time according to you there is no saying no to that community.  Just allowed to do as they please. Appropriate or inappropriate. Put drag shows paid by the government in schools..no problem and if you say that’s inappropriate you’re a bigot.  At a certain point you have to have rules don’t you?

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

See you’re proving the point. At this point in time according to you there is no saying no to that community.  Just allowed to do as they please. Appropriate or inappropriate. Put drag shows paid by the government in schools..no problem and if you say that’s inappropriate you’re a bigot.  At a certain point you have to have rules don’t you?

See, you’re making a strawman. I said I support the LGBT community and you made a bunch of random assumptions based on that. Maybe look inside yourself to figure out why. 
 

As I’ve stated before, there is a difference between the drag show you would see late at night at a gay bar and a kid-friendly drag brunch. The letter is the same as having a Mickey Mouse brunch or other kids entertainment.