Beane’s Offensive Negligence

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, CoudyBills said:

Maybe for the next one we will send some pressure?

lol Frasier getting burned by 3rd and long makes me vomit almost like Beanes refusal to draft good Olinemen. Maybe he will whiff on more Fords! 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Beane said in January after the KC loss "it starts with protecting 17 better" and his one move to do that is a guard ready for the knackers yard? I didn't think if was enough then and I don't think it is enough now. 

 

I am not going to go any further after this game because they did end up with so many backups in there... but oline execution failures, particularly at the end of games is a pattern in recent losses. 

 

 

The Dolphins simply determined that the Bills combination of weak OL play and their lack of YAC type talents on offense made it a good strategic decision to blitz Allen like crazy.

 

Just attack and try to create a turnover or negative play..........and all the Bills will get out of it is a modest gain.

 

The lesson for the opposition from the first two games is that the WORST thing you can do is give Allen time.     That's when he makes guys like Gilliam and Morris look like NFL receiving talent.

 

Needed some juice or some better OL to take the burden off of Allen..........they appear to have gotten neither.

[blacklabel]

Good gravy. Delete this, man. Guys were dropping like flies on both teams today and you're playing blame the GM. You should have to change your username because it's just downright disrespectful to associate a legendary band like Iron Maiden with your poopy foosball takes. 

 

What exactly are your expectations in a backup? What do you want, first team All-Pro at starter and second team All-Pro at backup? Guys are backups for a reason. They were already down with Morse being out, then Brown went out, then Bates, then Van Roten, it sucked. There's no blame to be placed on the GM for that situation. 

Edited September 25, 2022 by blacklabel

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Ah that is not the same thing. Of course it wasn't a hinderance but that is cos Josh was great and against a banged up TEN secondary he could get the ball out early because our WRs were getting immediate separation.

 

My whole point is you can't rely on Josh to bail the OL out 8, 9, 10 times a game every single week. He is superman but that is putting too much on him. 

 

Beane said as much in January. His actions didn't back up his words for me.

💯 thank you, I’m not alone. 

[Alphadawg7]

I mean Josh started the game again 11-11.  
 

End of the day, we destroyed the super bowl champs and top seed in the AFC offensively who both field elite DLs.  
 

Yes Josh is part of that, but there is no one who can convince me our OL was an “issue” in those 2 games before injuries destroyed the OL today.  I mean 5…5 guys were hurt in the OL today between starting and ending this game. And we still almost won.  

[FireChans]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

I mean Josh started the game again 11-11.  
 

End of the day, we destroyed the super bowl champs and top seed in the AFC offensively who both field elite DLs.  
 

Yes Josh is part of that, but there is no one who can convince me our OL was an “issue” in those 2 games before injuries destroyed the OL today.  I mean 5…5 guys were hurt in the OL today between starting and ending this game. And we still almost won.  

Roger Saffold has not had a good game yet this season, IMO.

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, FireChans said:

Roger Saffold has not had a good game yet this season, IMO.

The OL is more than Roger Saffold.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I mean Josh started the game again 11-11.  
 

End of the day, we destroyed the super bowl champs and top seed in the AFC offensively who both field elite DLs.  
 

Yes Josh is part of that, but there is no one who can convince me our OL was an “issue” in those 2 games before injuries destroyed the OL today.  I mean 5…5 guys were hurt in the OL today between starting and ending this game. And we still almost won.  

It honestly went better than I thought given the injuries lol.  The bad snaps cost us so many points though 

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

I mean Josh started the game again 11-11.  
 

End of the day, we destroyed the super bowl champs and top seed in the AFC offensively who both field elite DLs.  
 

Yes Josh is part of that, but there is no one who can convince me our OL was an “issue” in those 2 games before injuries destroyed the OL today.  I mean 5…5 guys were hurt in the OL today between starting and ending this game. And we still almost won.  

It’s purely a testament to how crazy good Allen is. The fact that he’s been able to do everything he’s done under this Oline is absolutely mind boggling to me. We are so lucky he’s as mobile as he is or we’d be lucky to win 9 games. If we win a Super Bowl, it will be purely because Allen is the best player in the NFL of all time. You put Allen on the Bucs squad and they are likely winning 4 Super Bowls straight. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The OL is more than Roger Saffold.  

That’s true. But he’s a big FA acquisition. He’s supposed to play… well. Not terrible lol.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

It’s purely a testament to how crazy good Allen is. The fact that he’s been able to do everything he’s done under this Oline is absolutely mind boggling to me. We are so lucky he’s as mobile as he is or we’d be lucky to win 9 games. If we win a Super Bowl, it will be purely because Allen is the best player in the NFL of all time. You put Allen on the Bucs squad and they are likely winning 4 Super Bowls straight. 

You say the stupidest stuff. 

[4thandGoal]

8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Go ahead and see what the nfl average for QBs in the pocket and see what ours is. Allen is almost always running to get out of the pocket because he’s flushed. 

Holy cow- quit your crying-  they rushed  6,7,8 guys . Our Oline couldn't block everyone

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Davis was a no show today… continues his inconsistent ways.

Allen deserves a team like the Bucs or Cincinnati with their 3 WRs or a Colts Oline. Everyone craps on Bellichick now, but at least he was smart enough to build a top line for Brady. 

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

From last season… it’s a new year dude. Who’s to say either team is as good as they were last season.

Did you watch the Titans today?  I did, and they looked like the titans of last year on both sides of the ball.  

[White Linen]

50 minutes ago, Murdox said:

As I've said elsewhere, we would have won if the game was in Buffalo today.  The heat killed the Bills offense, from the linemen to the skill players.  I'm not worried at this point.  We were the better team today on the field.

 

We're definitely better but we played so irratic at too many critical moments.   I still think there's an issue with our ability to close a team when they're down.  

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

You say the stupidest stuff. 

You guys are stupid. Do you realize Allen on a Bucs team would be unbeatable? Or Allen with McVay? Our teams have been mismanaged and I feel super bad for Allen. Allen deserves Belichick or a Dallas 90s line. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Allen deserves a team like the Bucs or Cincinnati with their 3 WRs or a Colts Oline. Everyone craps on Bellichick now, but at least he was smart enough to build a top line for Brady. 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacked-qb-2021-to-2022

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

You guys are stupid. Do you realize Allen on a Bucs team would be unbeatable? Or Allen with McVay? Our teams have been mismanaged and I feel super bad for Allen. Allen deserves Belichick or a Dallas 90s line. 

 

You're using Cincinnati as an example of good offensive line play?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

You guys are stupid. Do you realize Allen on a Bucs team would be unbeatable? Or Allen with McVay? Our teams have been mismanaged and I feel super bad for Allen. Allen deserves Belichick or a Dallas 90s line. 

So you doubled down with a stupid post?

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Roundybout said:

 

You're using Cincinnati as an example of good offensive line play?

No their WRs. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

No their WRs. 

What about their offensive line?

[Roundybout]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

No their WRs. 

 

You aren't happy with Diggs or Davis or McKenzie or Knox?

[White Linen]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

You guys are stupid. Do you realize Allen on a Bucs team would be unbeatable? Or Allen with McVay? Our teams have been mismanaged and I feel super bad for Allen. Allen deserves Belichick or a Dallas 90s line. 

 

I don't know about that man.  Allen did some stuff today that was concerning.   He plays with too much adrenaline at times when calm is the needed emotion.  Him ripping the defenders helmet off for example.   That's a game losing decision. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So you doubled down with a stupid post?

Let me know when I can stop watching Moss run into our linemen. Maybe we can draft another 2nd or 3rd RB to run for less than 100 yards. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Let me know when I can stop watching Moss run into our linemen. Maybe we can draft another 2nd or 3rd RB to run for less than 100 yards. 

 

 

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Why is it so hard for them to bring us real offensive linemen? We haven’t taken a 1st or 2nd round WR in how long? We deal with injuries and this is what we get, Allen with no time to throw and he’s going to end up getting hurt by it. Don’t get me wrong, Allen scrambling for yards is ok in some situations, but sidestepping on nearly every play because of trash blocking is going to get him killed eventually. If this next draft isn’t dedicated to multiple linemen, a WR and a S, then they get what they deserve. 

I knew this was coming.  What took you so long.  You and Scott Law and Badol should have a great discussion this week.  Personally, I am out on TBD until at least Thursday.  The over reactions and bad hot takes should be pretty much flushed out by then.  

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

 

You aren't happy with Diggs or Davis or McKenzie or Knox?

I’m happy with Diggs, and Davis but I feel like our depth could be much better. I mostly blame our Oline for our problems though, not WRs. Although I would trade for Cincinnati WRs over ours though. 

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

1 out of like 30 runs lol 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

43 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Doesn't help that Oliver and Phillips were missing

Oliver was an absolutely wasted pick at 9. 20 would have been ok. But top 10 on DT us ridiculous 

[White Linen]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Let me know when I can stop watching Moss run into our linemen. Maybe we can draft another 2nd or 3rd RB to run for less than 100 yards. 

 

C'mon man, don't rip the whole system for one bone headed loss.  It was there for the taking and a few stupid plays let it slip through our fingers.  That's it!

[Roundybout]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

Oliver was an absolutely wasted pick at 9. 20 would have been ok. But top 10 on DT us ridiculous 

 

Nah, dude's a beast. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, White Linen said:

 

C'mon man, don't rip the whole system for one bone headed loss.  It was there for the taking and a few stupid plays let it slip through our fingers.  That's it!

This has been an ongoing issue, not just this Miami game. Beane has done a fairly good job, but it’s not enough. Josh deserves a professional Oline and a run game. 

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Overreactions?… I’ve been saying it since the off-season, if the Bills don’t win the SB it will be because their offense struggles due to lack of playmakers and/or a struggling offensive line…. Couple that with a HC who struggles for a feel of the game and much like last season, this is the type of game you get. 
 

I still expect the Bills to win the division by at least two games. 

Imagine if we had Tyreek Hill and an all pro guard and tackle. 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Davis was a no show today… continues his inconsistent ways.

 

 

Davis is enigmatic.  

 

The Dolphins held Allen to under 7 yards per pass attempt despite exposing themselves to big plays with the blitz all game.

 

Allen is in for a beating this season one way or another.........the defensive investments are yielding great but they shoulda' put at least one blue chip into the offense.

 

Instead they signed a bunch of run blocking OL........probably because those are much cheaper(though they paid top of the market for a mid-30 something OG of any sort).........and took a flyer on Crowder and drafted a WR in the 5th. 

 

That was not enough...........maybe they can bully their way thru this season with all of the D talent.........but Allen is taking a beating in the meantime.

[Since1981]

3rd center

3rd DBs practice squad

Add heat without anyone left 

Just too hard to overcome 

Edited September 25, 2022 by Since1981

[White Linen]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This has been an ongoing issue, not just this Miami game. Beane has done a fairly good job, but it’s not enough. Josh deserves a professional Oline and a run game. 

 

Josh has a good amount of responsibility for this loss.  He's awesome but he's not complete yet.  Brady steps on your neck if you expose it to him.  Josh must learn this.  

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Overreactions?… I’ve been saying it since the off-season, if the Bills don’t win the SB it will be because their offense struggles due to lack of playmakers and/or a struggling offensive line…. Couple that with a HC who struggles for a feel of the game and much like last season, this is the type of game you get. 
 

I still expect the Bills to win the division by at least two games. 

Titans are a fringe playoff team. Come on man.

What are you talking about?  We are talking about our OL holding up against an elite DL for Titans.  Now you want to change the narrative and talk about the rest of the Titans team as a whole?  
 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Playoffs?]

Oh my god. Stop OP.  Don’t blame a loss like this on our GM. 
 

14 games left. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

What are you talking about?  We are talking about our OL holding up against an elite DL for Titans.  Now you want to change the narrative and talk about the rest of the Titans team as a whole?  
 

 

 

They didn’t though. The ball was out of Josh’s hand like lightning. 

[White Linen]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

What are you talking about?  We are talking about our OL holding up against an elite DL for Titans.  Now you want to change the narrative and talk about the rest of the Titans team as a whole?  
 

I love how all the SAME negative people come out like clock work AFTER we lost more than half our starters on the team and several backups to those starter to give all their usually hot takes.  
 

 

 

I get what you're saying and agree with a lot of it but we had real chances to win this game despite the challenges.   We have to start taking these games when they are given to us. 

[RunTheBall]

19 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

I don't know about that man.  Allen did some stuff today that was concerning.   He plays with too much adrenaline at times when calm is the needed emotion.  Him ripping the defenders helmet off for example.   That's a game losing decision. 

No I’m sorry but Josh single handedly kept this game close. Yeah, he had a few bad passes especially the miss to McKenzie but the guy was a friggin warrior and did everything remotely possible to win this game. If he gets any kind of help from the O or special teams it’s a W. 

 

And I have no problem with Allen ripping Wilkins helmet off after Wilkins grabbed him in the junk and dragged him down. The Dolphins were friggin dirty, multiple times and the refs let them do it. I didn’t see anything concerning about Allen’s play I mean my god he had 400 yards passing and 47 rushing what more do you want? He can’t play flawless football, his guys have to step up like he did and make a friggin play.

Edited September 25, 2022 by RunTheBall