billsfan1959 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, Mango said: Theres an assumption by posters that the news article is the first they’re hearing of this. I could be wrong, but I cannot imagine that the girls attorney made no mention of police reports, pictures, rape kits, time lines. The Bills attorney spoke with him. Everything in the LAT article would have been discussed with the team. So, your correcting assumptions by other posters with assumptions of your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Let's talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forlorn hope Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: So just so I’m clear, female media members and Marxism are to blame for Matt Araiza being released. seems reasonable enough Matt arazia was released because 48 hours ago he became a legal liability. How and when a corporate body weighs what legal vulnerabilities are acceptable depends on a multitude of factors. Yes some of the journalist questions were from a political persuasion and extremely stupid and or sensational in trying to create institutionalized momenteum against due process ( from a legal standpoint and cultural standpoint.) It's been discussed ad nauseam this is already gaining traction in university in order to create less individual rights and civil rights in order for a centralized state to accuse you of anything and everything without being able to create legal recourse. Think tanks, university, media have all centered on this. This is the whole point of " believe all women" saga. So when a crisis like this happens, as Marxists revolutionaries always do, they don't let it go to waste. These ppl don't look at it as a human issue or search for the Truth. It's how can I take advantage of this crisis to create political power. The ends justify the means 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Amazing that Arazia took the crown of most talked about player from Edmonds and Ertz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forlorn hope Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Draconator said: Amazing that Arazia took the crown of most talked about player from Edmonds and Ertz. At least Edmunds has better instincts in this case 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Forlorn hope said: At least Edmunds has better instincts in this case 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: When you go from accusations / allegations to actually having a civil suit filed or criminal charges brought, the situation has drastically changed. I’m not sure why I should have to explain that. I would think it would be self evident. Fair enough. Once the lawsuit is in the public domain, it will draw a lot of public scrutiny and public reaction, which must be dealt with. In addition, the player will have the distraction of needing to prepare his defense. Counterpoint: when the plaintiff's lawyer calls on July 30 and informs you he's preparing a civil suit that will name Araiza among others in the gang rape of a 17 year old girl, does it really take a lot of imagination to see that public scrutiny, public reaction, and distraction for the player are hurtling down the pike? Beane said they only had "the boulders" after the lawyer's phone call to DeAngelo, but not the details. Yet the LA Times published the following as part of a story on the case July 29th: Quote The young woman’s experience has continued to haunt her. She arrived at the Halloween party dressed as a fairy. She had already been drinking with her friends, she said, when she met a San Diego State football player at the house just blocks from campus. The player gave her a drink and eventually led her inside the house to a bedroom where she said several of his teammates took turns sexually assaulting her, slamming her down on a bed and ripping out her piercings. Covered in blood, she found her friends outside after what she believed to be more than an hour. “I was just raped,” she told them. The next day, with bruises across her neck and down her legs, she filed a report with San Diego police and underwent a rape exam at Rady Children’s Hospital. The arduous process lasted through the night as her body was swabbed and she was tested for pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. Photos provided to The Times by her attorney, Dan Gilleon, show dark bruises across her neck, and on her knee and calf. One photo shows blood on part of her costume. Gilleon said he is preparing a lawsuit that would include names of known suspects. That article, which any "thorough examination" or investigation should have uncovered (ie Google) maps a lot of details onto those boulders, including the accusation that the player may have been an accessory to, if not involved, in the gang rape of a minor and the information that there's a police investigation underway: Quote In a June letter to de la Torre, Assistant Chief of Police Paul Connelly said police had conducted interviews, executed search warrants and were evaluating more than 2 terabytes of data. The lawyer also does not seem shy about distributing photos of his client and her journal, so I wouldn't bet that they didn't get sent to the Bills. Once the lawyer tells you one of the players named will be Matt Araiza, I don't think you have to have a great imagination to see that the above is going to be a giant PR fiasco if it goes down and the player is still on the Bills roster. So from the POV of the Bills organization internally, what was the drastic change? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play? That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against? Genuine question?… is that normal? 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forlorn hope Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 44 minutes ago, Mango said: Theres an assumption by posters that the news article is the first they’re hearing of this. I could be wrong, but I cannot imagine that the girls attorney made no mention of police reports, pictures, rape kits, time lines. The Bills attorney spoke with him. Everything in the LAT article would have been discussed with the team. The victims attorney withheld information for obvious reasons. I think it was a matter of holding cards until later. The bills representation probably knew this and decided if it becomes a real legal issue we will do x y or z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said: Matt arazia was released because 48 hours ago he became a legal liability. How and when a corporate body weighs what legal vulnerabilities are acceptable depends on a multitude of factors. Yes some of the journalist questions were from a political persuasion and extremely stupid and or sensational in trying to create institutionalized momenteum against due process ( from a legal standpoint and cultural standpoint.) It's been discussed ad nauseam this is already gaining traction in university in order to create less individual rights and civil rights in order for a centralized state to accuse you of anything and everything without being able to create legal recourse. Think tanks, university, media have all centered on this. This is the whole point of " believe all women" saga. So when a crisis like this happens, as Marxists revolutionaries always do, they don't let it go to waste. These ppl don't look at it as a human issue or search for the Truth. It's how can I take advantage of this crisis to create political power. The ends justify the means {insert Billy Madison clip} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forlorn hope Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play? That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against? Genuine question?… is that normal? It really does read like better call Saul. God I hope that girl gets competent legal counsel 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Fair enough. Once the lawsuit is in the public domain, it will draw a lot of public scrutiny and public reaction, which must be dealt with. In addition, the player will have the distraction of needing to prepare his defense. Counterpoint: when the plaintiff's lawyer calls on July 30 and informs you he's preparing a civil suit that will name Araiza among others in the gang rape of a 17 year old girl, does it really take a lot of imagination to see that public scrutiny, public reaction, and distraction for the player are hurtling down the pike? Beane said they only had "the boulders" after the lawyer's phone call to DeAngelo, but not the details. Yet the LA Times published the following as part of a story on the case July 29th: That article, which any "thorough examination" or investigation should have uncovered (ie Google) maps a lot of details onto those boulders, including the accusation that the player may have been an accessory to, if not involved, in the gang rape of a minor and the information that there's a police investigation underway: The lawyer also does not seem shy about distributing photos of his client and her journal, so I wouldn't bet that they didn't get sent to the Bills. Once the lawyer tells you one of the players named will be Matt Araiza, I don't think you have to have a great imagination to see that the above is going to be a giant PR fiasco if it goes down and the player is still on the Bills roster. So from the POV of the Bills organization internally, what was the drastic change? I'm guessing there's at least a possibility that the Bills thought it would be settled. Once the law suit and as filed and all of the details emerged, they took a prudent 48 hours to determine the best course of action. Nothing about this is great. But they got to the best possible solution given the set of circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play? That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against? Genuine question?… is that normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 47 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Really? Where did you hear that? The US Department of Justice. It's not a secret. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_crime_family "According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the current boss of the Buffalo crime family is Joseph A. "Big Joe" Todaro Jr., having assumed the role after his father, Joseph E. "Lead Pipe Joe" Todaro Sr., retired" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forlorn hope Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: The US Department of Justice. It's not a secret. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_crime_family "According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the current boss of the Buffalo crime family is Joseph A. "Big Joe" Todaro Jr., having assumed the role after his father, Joseph E. "Lead Pipe Joe" Todaro Sr., retired" Most above ground institutions/ businesses have underground muscle. It's life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, SCBills said: This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play? That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against? Genuine question?… is that normal? What could the Bills do besides offer money to keep this quiet? They have the fattest pockets An apology and a donation would of done that as well. WTF Edited August 28, 2022 by BananaB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, SCBills said: This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play? That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against? Genuine question?… is that normal? She really needs to fire his ass if she truly wants justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Who had the best career as a Bill: Matt Araiza or Antonio Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forlorn hope Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Who had the best career as a Bill: Matt Araiza or Antonio Brown? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Is the lawyer really coming after the buffalo bills? Was that his actual goal the whole time? In his statement the first sentence is aimed at the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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