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9 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

Tre, Taron, Elam, Dane, Neal (with McCloud, Lewis and Harris having some plays made in camp)...I don't think I'd call it terrifying. Especially with Poyer and Hyde over the top.

 

The offensive line depth is almost criminal. 

Tre doesn't count until he can play. Elam is a rookie. Johnson is good but he plays slot only. Dane Jackson is exceedingly unproven, Siran Neal never plays defense and isn't an outside corner when he does.  It's scary to need a rookie CB or raw UDFAs to come in day one and not get consistently set ablaze or die in an avalanche of yellow and that's basically where we are.

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Just now, That's No Moon said:

Tre doesn't count until he can play. Elam is a rookie. Johnson is good but he plays slot only. Dane Jackson is exceedingly unproven, Siran Neal never plays defense and isn't an outside corner when he does.  It's scary to need a rookie CB or raw UDFAs to come in day one and not get consistently set ablaze or die in an avalanche of yellow and that's basically where we are.

 

I think you're undervaluing Dane and Neal, and I think we've got a scheme to at least compete even with Tre out. But 🤷‍♂️

 

OLine depth to me looks like a legitimate long term (season length) problem. 

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33 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

CB depth is terrifying. 

Strongly disagree.

 

The team played well during White's absence last year (minus the Chiefs), and while Wallace is now gone, guys like Lewis, McCloud, and Neal (not to mention Elam) are ready to step up. Leslie Frazier and Sean McDermott develop DBs, BELIEVE THAT! Plenty of other, more rational areas for concern. 

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1 hour ago, NickelCity said:

 

Tre, Taron, Elam, Dane, Neal (with McCloud, Lewis and Harris having some plays made in camp)...I don't think I'd call it terrifying. Especially with Poyer and Hyde over the top.

 

The offensive line depth is almost criminal. 

Daryl Williams is still out there but I don't know if it's feasible.  

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2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Tre doesn't count until he can play. Elam is a rookie. Johnson is good but he plays slot only. Dane Jackson is exceedingly unproven, Siran Neal never plays defense and isn't an outside corner when he does.  It's scary to need a rookie CB or raw UDFAs to come in day one and not get consistently set ablaze or die in an avalanche of yellow and that's basically where we are.

In McDI trust in this area

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22 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have been here 9 years. This post means I *made it* 

 

Gunner, you have more than made it!

 

A question, as a Buffalonian who has lived in London twice for a total of 4 years, and used to catch all the games in the Eric Moulds era at the sports bar on Haymarket:

 

How did you first start rooting for the Bills? Just curious.

 

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Ahhhh. Ta. I heard it on a podcast and I presumed it was Williams the tackle. 

The Patriots signed Darryl Williams (two t's).  I'm pretty sure Daryl Williams is a free agents still although his wikipedia page has him as a Jaguar?

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34 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

 

Gunner, you have more than made it!

 

A question, as a Buffalonian who has lived in London twice for a total of 4 years, and used to catch all the games in the Eric Moulds era at the sports bar on Haymarket:

 

How did you first start rooting for the Bills? Just curious.

 

I know the sports bar in Haymarket very well. I have never watched NFL there that I know of. I use it for big soccer days when there are multiple games at the same time, like the final day of a season. I have watched the NFL at the Hippodrome Casino in Leicester Square a couple of times though. 

 

As for my Bills fandom it is a long story, and apologies to those who have heard it before, but my grandad was from the Poland / Czechoslovakia border, joined the Polish army at the outbreak of WWII and was captured by the Germans. Anyway he managed to escape a POW camp and make it to France where he was hidden by the resistance for the final 2 years of the war, and then eventually made it to the UK post war. Met my nan, got married, had kids. In the 60s and 70s he took his family back to his homeland into the Eastern bloc every summer in a caravan, driving from the middle of England to Poland. He died relatively young, sadly, just before I was born but he had made my nan promise if he died first she would still go back to Poland to visit his family. On one such visit my nan met a younger brother and sister from Buffalo who also had roots in Poland / Czechoslovaki and were tracing a family tree, got talking in a shop and became pen pals which later developed into visiting each other. In 2002 we went to California (where the guy now lives) as a family for 2 weeks in August and while there I watched the Bills play the Lions in pre-season and was basically hooked immediately. I went to university that next year and used to watch the MNF with my kebab after a night out and then from 2006 when it first became possible to stream games I have watched the Bills most weeks. Since 2010 I have missed two Bills games and one of those was because I was at Wembley watching one of the international series games instead. 

 

24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The Patriots signed Darryl Williams (two t's).  I'm pretty sure Daryl Williams is a free agents still although his wikipedia page has him as a Jaguar?

 

No I think the same Darryl Williams who had gone to New England (center out of Mississippi State... I actually liked him coming out and had a day 2 grade on him he went to KC as an UDFA) has been released and signed with Jacksonville. So I think Wiki might be in the Dar/r/y/e/l/l Williams muddle too!

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As for my Bills fandom it is a long story, and apologies to those who have heard it before, but my grandad was from the Poland / Czechoslovakia border, joined the Polish army at the outbreak of WWII and was captured by the Germans. Anyway he managed to escape a POW camp and make it to France where he was hidden by the resistance for the final 2 years of the war, and then eventually made it to the UK post war. Met my nan, got married, had kids. In the 60s and 70s he took his family back to his homeland into the Eastern bloc every summer in a caravan, driving from the middle of England to Poland. He died relatively young, sadly, just before I was born but he had made my nan promise if he died first she would still go back to Poland to visit his family. On one such visit my nan met a younger brother and sister from Buffalo who also had roots in Poland / Czechoslovaki and were tracing a family tree, got talking in a shop and became pen pals which later developed into visiting each other. In 2002 we went to California (where the guy now lives) as a family for 2 weeks in August and while there I watched the Bills play the Lions in pre-season and was basically hooked immediately. I went to university that next year and used to watch the MNF with my kebab after a night out and then from 2006 when it first became possible to stream games I have watched the Bills most weeks. Since 2010 I have missed two Bills games and one of those was because I was at Wembley watching one of the international series games instead. 

 

Very cool story. Thanks for sharing. We are lucky the brother and sister were from Buffalo, so we get the benefit of all of your insight instead of it being wasted on the undeserving fanbase of some other team.

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6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Daryl Williams is still out there but I don't know if it's feasible.  

 

21 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You know your offensive line is in shambles when Bobby Hart is your starting OG…. Bring back Williams and sign Jason Peters.

Jags signed him yesterday

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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I know the sports bar in Haymarket very well. I have never watched NFL there that I know of. I use it for big soccer days when there are multiple games at the same time, like the final day of a season. I have watched the NFL at the Hippodrome Casino in Leicester Square a couple of times though. 

 

As for my Bills fandom it is a long story, and apologies to those who have heard it before, but my grandad was from the Poland / Czechoslovakia border, joined the Polish army at the outbreak of WWII and was captured by the Germans. Anyway he managed to escape a POW camp and make it to France where he was hidden by the resistance for the final 2 years of the war, and then eventually made it to the UK post war. Met my nan, got married, had kids. In the 60s and 70s he took his family back to his homeland into the Eastern bloc every summer in a caravan, driving from the middle of England to Poland. He died relatively young, sadly, just before I was born but he had made my nan promise if he died first she would still go back to Poland to visit his family. On one such visit my nan met a younger brother and sister from Buffalo who also had roots in Poland / Czechoslovaki and were tracing a family tree, got talking in a shop and became pen pals which later developed into visiting each other. In 2002 we went to California (where the guy now lives) as a family for 2 weeks in August and while there I watched the Bills play the Lions in pre-season and was basically hooked immediately. I went to university that next year and used to watch the MNF with my kebab after a night out and then from 2006 when it first became possible to stream games I have watched the Bills most weeks. Since 2010 I have missed two Bills games and one of those was because I was at Wembley watching one of the international series games instead. 

 

This is a great story! Wow. And thanks for retelling. So funny how these things come about. Anyway, glad it happened!

 

I ended up being born in Buffalo because it was the first city that offered both my parents a job in the early 70s. 

 

And I have missed a lot of games before, but not that many since, NFL streaming began.

 

The Haymarket sports bar was annoyingly loud, but it had the NFL Sundays.

 

But I never met a British Bills fan in my time there!

 

Thanks for all the insights.

 

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On 8/1/2022 at 7:14 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I have been here 9 years. This post means I *made it* 

GB, the bud from Yolo is like….

 

 

 

All kidding aside, thanks for helping out they Yollster.  I’m not that concerned about most of the line as all injuries seems temporary except Spencer.  The back injury concerns me.  He’s young so you hope he will heal quickly, and it’s not like he’s overweight.

 

Ques is a nice pick up which gives me some solace.

 

On a side note, they mentioned this morning on WGR that Howard finally had a good practice yesterday.  I was hoping we could add maybe 15% of the time some 12 personnel especially in the red zone.  We’ll see as I think Dorsey is still assessing what he has in these guys.  It would be dynamic to have a 12 option, the Cook vs. motor option for some pass catching RB plays, and the norm which will probably be Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Knox, and Motor.

 

I expect that grouping more than anything else.

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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I know the sports bar in Haymarket very well. I have never watched NFL there that I know of. I use it for big soccer days when there are multiple games at the same time, like the final day of a season. I have watched the NFL at the Hippodrome Casino in Leicester Square a couple of times though. 

 

As for my Bills fandom it is a long story, and apologies to those who have heard it before, but my grandad was from the Poland / Czechoslovakia border, joined the Polish army at the outbreak of WWII and was captured by the Germans. Anyway he managed to escape a POW camp and make it to France where he was hidden by the resistance for the final 2 years of the war, and then eventually made it to the UK post war. Met my nan, got married, had kids. In the 60s and 70s he took his family back to his homeland into the Eastern bloc every summer in a caravan, driving from the middle of England to Poland. He died relatively young, sadly, just before I was born but he had made my nan promise if he died first she would still go back to Poland to visit his family. On one such visit my nan met a younger brother and sister from Buffalo who also had roots in Poland / Czechoslovaki and were tracing a family tree, got talking in a shop and became pen pals which later developed into visiting each other. In 2002 we went to California (where the guy now lives) as a family for 2 weeks in August and while there I watched the Bills play the Lions in pre-season and was basically hooked immediately. I went to university that next year and used to watch the MNF with my kebab after a night out and then from 2006 when it first became possible to stream games I have watched the Bills most weeks. Since 2010 I have missed two Bills games and one of those was because I was at Wembley watching one of the international series games instead. 

 

 

No I think the same Darryl Williams who had gone to New England (center out of Mississippi State... I actually liked him coming out and had a day 2 grade on him he went to KC as an UDFA) has been released and signed with Jacksonville. So I think Wiki might be in the Dar/r/y/e/l/l Williams muddle too!


 

GB, there is a large contingent of Polish Americans in sections of the Buffalo area one by Bailey where it’s part German, and part Polish.  I grew up in the border of Blasdell and Hamburg and it seemed like everyone in Blasdell (all of 1 mile square) is Polish, but us (Irish and English), and Cheekitowaga.  
 

Glad you’re a Bills fanatic like the rest of us.

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There has been some chatter that the rookie CB Benford is getting some run with the starters.  This says to me that they are not happy with the vets who have been filling in.  Hopefully this kid has something, but I do think we are looking thin at that spot.

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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

As for my Bills fandom it is a long story, and apologies to those who have heard it before, but my grandad was from the Poland / Czechoslovakia border, joined the Polish army at the outbreak of WWII and was captured by the Germans. Anyway he managed to escape a POW camp and make it to France where he was hidden by the resistance for the final 2 years of the war, and then eventually made it to the UK post war. Met my nan, got married, had kids. In the 60s and 70s he took his family back to his homeland into the Eastern bloc every summer in a caravan, driving from the middle of England to Poland. He died relatively young, sadly, just before I was born but he had made my nan promise if he died first she would still go back to Poland to visit his family. On one such visit my nan met a younger brother and sister from Buffalo who also had roots in Poland / Czechoslovaki and were tracing a family tree, got talking in a shop and became pen pals which later developed into visiting each other. In 2002 we went to California (where the guy now lives) as a family for 2 weeks in August and while there I watched the Bills play the Lions in pre-season and was basically hooked immediately. I went to university that next year and used to watch the MNF with my kebab after a night out and then from 2006 when it first became possible to stream games I have watched the Bills most weeks. Since 2010 I have missed two Bills games and one of those was because I was at Wembley watching one of the international series games instead. 

 

 

That is a great story, football related or not. They make movies out of such emotional stories. Thanks for sharing @GunnerBill

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