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3 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  And it's because Watson is denying anything improper occurred.  No witnesses besides Watson and each of the women.  I myself just wonder why they didn't insist on a 3rd party to be in the room or at very least I'd think one of them would have thought to set up a video camera and when he demands a NDA signed I'd have told him only if you sign this release for the video I have of our session.  Heck I'd have put in fine print that the session may be recorded on a billing statement he would need to sign for the session.  I doubt he'd have bothered reading that fine print and would just signed to get his party started as he would have expected if he was doing these acts.  Then let him deny what you have video proof of.  

 

All good points and logical. Is it possible some women did require a 3rd party or video and Watson refused to hire them?

 

If a massage therapist or two came out and verified this, would the opinions here on TBD change?

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10 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

All good points and logical. Is it possible some women did require a 3rd party or video and Watson refused to hire them?

 

If a massage therapist or two came out and verified this, would the opinions here on TBD change?

It's still he said she said with no actual proof myself I'd have saved the towel used to clean up when he ***** in the cases he did so.  Then let it be tested for DNA and hear his explanation as to how it got there.

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31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is a straw man. No one is saying that all of the women are telling the truth unconditionally. I think it likely that at least one is using this as a cash grab opportunity just based on the numbers, although I'm in no position to judge each individual case. I am however also extremely confident that Watson is a predator and took advantage of a lot of massage therapists. If you agree that he took advantage of even one of these women then presumably you agree he should be punished by the NFL.

I believe it is possible. However it's all he said, she said. I'm not taking one side or the other

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10 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

It's still he said she said with no actual proof myself I'd have saved the towel used to clean up when he ***** in the cases he did so.  Then let it be tested for DNA and hear his explanation as to how it got there.

 

That is a level of proof needed for a criminal case, not a civil case.

 

If a Professional asked for a 3rd party and it was denied, or a recorded session and was denied then one has to ask why?

 

This situation and others will probably lead to more 3rd parties present or recordings required in the future.

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13 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

However it's all he said, she said. I'm not taking one side or the other

 

But that's patently ridiculous. Juries are tasked with judging witness credibility all the time. You're allowed to make judgments. Go watch the Ashley Solis interview and see if you believe her. I find her much, much more credible than Deshaun Watson. Her testimony combined with the number of other women saying the same thing is more than enough evidence for me.

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55 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

All good points and logical. Is it possible some women did require a 3rd party or video and Watson refused to hire them?

 

If a massage therapist or two came out and verified this, would the opinions here on TBD change?

If Watson refused a 3rd party then they don't need to do the service. No one forced these women to be there. Quite frankly, if Watson did deny a 3rd party being there, I would think it would have been enough of a red flag to the women to not go through with it

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6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

But that's patently ridiculous. Juries are tasked with judging witness credibility all the time. You're allowed to make judgments. Go watch the Ashley Solis interview and see if you believe her. I find her much, much more credible than Deshaun Watson. Her testimony combined with the number of other women saying the same thing is more than enough evidence for me.

I'm not on the jury so I don't have to make that decision. I'm not taking a side on these cases. People everywhere believe women are angels. Tons of women are materialistic and they don't care. I am not gonna believe some women in these cases. Even Ashley Solis

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9 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

 

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Footnote 4 to the petition filed by Nia Smith points out that Louis invoked the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination when asked about text messages she exchanged with Watson. Smith’s lawsuit includes text messages from Louis in which she says Watson gave her $5,000, and “I told you I’ll show you how to get money from men that’s my specialty.”

I'm amazed they didn't just come out and admit to being an accessory to a sex offender.

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52 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

If Watson denied it then they don't need to do the service. No one forced these women to be there. Quite frankly, if Watson did deny a 3rd party being there, I would think it would have been enough of a red flag to the women to not go through with it

 

I'm one of the last to 'believe all women' or '#metoo' for many reasons.

But let's ask a few common sense questions.

 

Apparently none of these 22-23 women did require a 3rd party or a recording since none exist.

Watson only hired women who were not savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation.

That is the point. They put themself in a bad situation. That does not permit sexual misconduct, nor excuse it.

If Watson denied hiring therapists who required documentation or a chaperone, that would look really bad in a Civil suit.

Why not? What was expected? We don't know if that happened or not, but it should be a question that is asked.

Who did Watson reject, when hiring these specific women and why?

 

A question.

Where are the male massage professionals? Why was no male hired?

Are there no licensed male massage therapists in Houston?

If this was a 'recovery treatment', and all supposed to be above board, why was a male never hired?

Certainly a man could have done a stronger, deeper muscle relaxation if that is what was expected.

Why didn't Watson hire any male therapists?

 

Another Question:

Why did Watson not use the Texans vetted and approved massage therapists, on the company premises?

The therapy was offered at the facility free of charge, by vetted therapists, why not use it?

Why did Watson need to go private and offsite?

 

Another Question:

If everything worked out well in a session, why didn't Watson continue to see the same therapist?

Why was there no repeat business?

If I am a licensed massage therapist, and I hook a professional athlete, I would keep that repeat business and advertise it.

It is good pay, and is great advertising. "I am June Mayfield, licensed massage therapist for Deshaun Watson of the Houston Texans."

None of these women did that. Why not?

Why did none of the women advertise or market their experience with Watson?

 

So Watson only hired females, not in the Texans network, off Texans premises, who were naive enough to think this was a professional setting and require no backup or documentation, and had no repeat business with a superstar athlete....

 

This is your stance?

 

Not predatory behavior at all in your eyes. 🤔

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44 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I am not gonna believe some women in these cases. Even Ashley Solis

 

Right. So you watched her interview then? Or you're willing to make judgments without hearing her side?

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4 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I'm one of the last to 'believe all women' or '#metoo' for many reasons.

But let's ask a few common sense questions.

 

Apparently none of these 22-23 women did require a 3rd party or a recording since none exist.

Watson only hired women who were not savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation.

That is the point. They put themself in a bad situation. That does not permit sexual misconduct, nor excuse it.

If Watson denied hiring therapists who required documentation or a chaperone, that would look really bad in a Civil suit.

Why not? What was expected? We don't know if that happened or not, but it should be a question that is asked.

Who did Watson reject, when hiring these specific women and why?

 

A question.

Where are the male massage professionals? Why was no male hired?

Are there no licensed male massage therapists in Houston?

If this was a 'recovery treatment', and all supposed to be above board, why was a male never hired?

Certainly a man could have done a stronger, deeper muscle relaxation if that is what was expected.

Why didn't Watson hire any male therapists?

 

Another Question:

Why did Watson not use the Texans vetted and approved massage therapists, on the company premises?

The therapy was offered at the facility free of charge, by vetted therapists, why not use it?

Why did Watson need to go private and offsite?

 

Another Question:

If everything worked out well in a session, why didn't Watson continue to see the same therapist?

Why was there no repeat business?

If I am a licensed massage therapist, and I hook a professional athlete, I would keep that repeat business and advertise it.

It is good pay, and is great advertising. "I am June Mayfield, licensed massage therapist for Deshaun Watson of the Houston Texans."

None of these women did that. Why not?

Why did one of the women advertise or market their experience with Watson?

 

So Watson only hired females, not in the Texans network, off Texans premises, who were naive enough to think this was a professional setting and require no backup or documentation, and had no repeat business with a superstar athlete....

 

This is your stance?

 

Not predatory behavior at all in your eyes. 🤔

How would Watson know if the women he hired weren't savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation? That's a lot of going out of your way to find that out. I'm not saying nothing happened but I refuse all 23 are telling the truth

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Right. So you watched her interview then? Or you're willing to make judgments without hearing her side?

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

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5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

What like a sweater or something?

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34 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

 

Cool. You're willing to take a side without even watching her talk about her experience. Clearly there are some other issues going on here so I'm gonna let this one go.

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37 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

How would Watson know if the women he hired weren't savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation? That's a lot of going out of your way to find that out. I'm not saying nothing happened but I refuse all 23 are telling the truth

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

You did take a side. Just own it.

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50 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

How would Watson know if the women he hired weren't savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation? That's a lot of going out of your way to find that out. I'm not saying nothing happened but I refuse all 23 are telling the truth

 

I appreciate how you ignored every other question I asked you.

 

On the first question, this is your stance? You don't understand how this could happen?

 

Here is the call: (Smart girl not hired)

Watson's agent or Watson: "Hi I see your ad for private deep tissue massage. My client is a professional athlete who needs the services of a licensed massage therapist, do you do private onsite treatments?"

Therapist: "Hi, yes I do, I am a licensed massage therapist in Texas, and am willing do private treatments."

WA or W: "Good, we are looking for the whole package, a full massage."

Therapist: "I have a professional location, or can meet a client onsite for discretion since he is a professional athlete."

WA or W: "We need a discreet session, onsite."

Therapist: "Ok, for an onsite massage I require a chaperone or a video recording of the session to document the treatment."

WA or W: " I understand, why do you need that?

Therapist: "Mostly for insurance and tax reasons."

WA or W: "I see, what is your rate?"

Therapist: "My rate is $100 per hour, I have many clients who will vouch for me."

WA or W: "Ok very good, so you will come out, require a chaperone or a video recording, and charge my client $100 an hour?"

Therapist: "Yes sir, when can I book your client?"

WA or W: "We are shopping around at the moment, I'll get back to you later."

 

Not that complicated. Not hired = no evidence.

 

VS

 

Here is the call: (Naive therapist)

Watson's agent or Watson: "Hi I see your ad for private deep tissue massage. My client is a professional athlete who needs the services of a licensed massage therapist, do you do private onsite treatments?"

Therapist: "Hi, yes I do, I am a licensed massage therapist in Texas, and am willing do private treatments."

WA or W: "Good, we are looking for the whole package, a full massage."

Therapist: "I have a professional location, or can meet a client onsite for discretion since he is a professional athlete."

WA or W: "We need a discreet session, onsite"

Therapist: "Ok, I understand, he is probably famous."

WA or W: " He is, so this has to be private."

Therapist: "I understand, I am willing to travel."

WA or W: "Good, what is your rate?"

Therapist: "My rate is $100 per hour, I have many clients who will vouch for me."

WA or W: "Ok very good, so you will come out, be discreet, and charge $100 an hour?"

Therapist: "Yes sir, that is correct, when can I book your client?"

WA or W: "Next week on Tuesday."

 

You don't see the difference?

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7 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

 

Yep. And people need to realize the court of public opinion is not how our justice system works. The high percentage of people condemning the man based on hersay all the while it was decided that criminal charges would not be brought (likey because the cases are very weak he said/she said), is disturbing.  Our society is in disarray due to online movements.

 

"Believe all Women" is as silly a notion as "Believe all Men".

Believe 23 women

 

or 

 

Believe 1 man

 

 

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1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

How would Watson know if the women he hired weren't savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation? That's a lot of going out of your way to find that out. I'm not saying nothing happened but I refuse all 23 are telling the truth

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

 

   Lol your bias is showing you're labeling all women as materialistic.  I can think of a number of examples that proves its wrong.  Do you agree with this premise -  if a person (any gender) is caught lying to you will you believe everything they say after you catch them lying?  Or will you naturally weigh the likelihood what they claim is based on truth or could be another lie?

 

   Tell me do you also believe the victims of the racist tops shooter weren't savvy enough to take shelter the moment they saw a white man in camo and weilding a gun so they are partially responsible for their slaughter?

 

    That being said there certainly are a portion of people (of any gender) who are indeed materialistic and willing to trade sexual services for pay.  They are called prostitutes.  And he's a wealthy enough athlete he could certainly find one that possessed sufficient skill to accommodate his massage preferences including the anus allegation, they may charge extra for it but he'd get what he paid for.

 

  But by deliberately seeking out just normal therapists to prey on and 23 different women have charged similar abuse.  From what I've read he's used 50 different therapists over a 2 year span so a session every 2 weeks  give or take on avg.  He's the one insisting on no third party present.  If he was as innocent as he claims and you must believe  wouldn't it be wise to have the witness to verify nothing did happen during the session?   If you are innocent but accused of something would you not want a witness to prove you weren't committing these acts?  

 

 

 

 

   

 

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