Racially motivated murder at Tops

[Rockpile233]

Man I focus back on work for a few hours and it’s completely off the rails. Example of why nothing gets done.

 

 

[716er]

Folks who align with theories of white supremacy should not be allowed to own guns.

 

Call out your own, cowards.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, 716er said:

Folks who align with theories of white supremacy should not be allowed to own guns.

 

Call out your own, cowards.

 

 

As horrible at those people are, it doesn’t remove their 2A rights. 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Never happened in BFLo? Where have you been?

 

The .22 Caliber Killer, 1980 was a racially motivated killing spree in BFLo area. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Christopher

 

"Collin Cole, 37, was attacked in a Buffalo hospital on October 10. A white man matching the description of the .22 Caliber Killer tried to strangle him to death. Cole said the man snarled, "I hate n*****s" at him before trying to kill him. He was saved by the arrival of a nurse, and though severe damage had been done to his throat, he did survive the attack."

That was a serial killer, not a mass shooting. More akin to Sanchez than this nut job. Appreciate the hair splitting though. 

[Demongyz]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

Folks who align with theories of white supremacy should not be allowed to own guns.

 

Call out your own, cowards.

 

 

Agreed.  I think anyone who has an identity based political view should not be allowed to own guns.

 

 

 

[T master]

5 hours ago, Rockpile233 said:

The sick *****’s school reported him for threatening a mass shooting and other obvious cry for help behaviors. Yet he could still purchase rifles and body armor? He can’t even own a handgun legally in this state. Lot of inconsistencies.

 

I wish firearms advocates would step up and help craft legislation that actually makes sense. Instead we get a lot of digging in and slippery slope fear mongering. 
 

There were plenty of red flags. 

 

If there were plenty of flags then why in the world didn't any one have the B**LS to go to the authorities ?

 

Especially if it were the officials in the school say a teacher or a principle the ones that are suppose to keep a eye out for any of that kind of language or weird behavior if they had heard anything they should have called the authorities & had him questioned at the very least .

 

I think people are walking around so afraid to say anything so they don't get a law suit filed against them ! Or the students think they will be snitches and will have to suffer the abuse after for it .

 

I for one would rather have them snitch then have that many people dead because no one said a word .

 

Besides locks are only to keep a honest man honest not sure if throwing another law at it would help there are millions on the books already people need to engage more or watch each others backs more .

[716er]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

As horrible at those people are, it doesn’t remove their 2A rights. 

 

 

 

It should. 
 

Does smoking weed remove one’s 2A right? 

[KDIGGZ]

9 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

So you can look at the gun violence statistics in this country and honestly say that removing all semi-automatic weapons is extreme??  Common man.  That's not extreme.  It's logical.

By definition criminals break the law, yes?  By banning semi-autos you would just be taking them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.  Do you think criminals can't get whatever gun they want if they are willing to break the law?

 

So let's say they do ban semi-autos.  We are left with what, pump shotguns and hammer fired revolvers?  Do you think a crazy person couldn't go to Tops with a pump shotgun and shoot 10 people?  Then they will want to ban shotguns.  It doesn't end until law abiding citizens have no guns but the criminals and military do.

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

It should. 
 

Does smoking weed remove one’s 2A right? 

No

 

 

 

 

[Rockpile233]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

 

If there were plenty of flags then why in the world didn't any one have the B**LS to go to the authorities ?

 

Especially if it were the officials in the school say a teacher or a principle the ones that are suppose to keep a eye out for any of that kind of language or weird behavior if they had heard anything they should have called the authorities & had him questioned at the very least .

 

I think people are walking around so afraid to say anything so they don't get a law suit filed against them ! Or the students think they will be snitches and will have to suffer the abuse after for it .

 

I for one would rather have them snitch then have that many people dead because no one said a word .

 

Besides locks are only to keep a honest man honest not sure if throwing another law at it would help there are millions on the books already people need to engage more or watch each others backs more .

They did and a case was opened on him. Sounds like he even spent a night in inpatient treatment.

 

Somehow the ball got dropped after that. That’s where I’m most interested in talking about. We had this person identified and it still happened. How do we intervene in these cases while still respecting the rights of honest gun owners? That’s why I want to engage honest owners because we need their buy in. He bought additional firearms AFTER his school got him investigated and committed. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Rockpile233

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Agreed.  I think anyone who has an identity based political view should not be allowed to own guns.

 

 

 

Just what is considered an “ identity based political view” ? Fortunately, there’s no such thing in the Constitution or it’s amendments. Written by folks a lot smarter than those of us frequenting this board. 

[Demongyz]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Just what is considered an “ identity based political view” ? Fortunately, there’s no such thing in the Constitution or it’s amendments. Written by folks a lot smarter than those of us frequenting this board. 

I'm being facetious.

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

They did and a case was opened on him. Sounds like he even spent a night in inpatient treatment.

 

Somehow the ball got dropped after that. That’s where I’m most interested in talking about. We had this person identified and it still happened. How do we intervene in these cases while still respecting the rights of honest gun owners? That’s why I want to engage honest owners because we need their buy in. He bought additional firearms AFTER his school got him investigated and committed. 

He should have been committed but wasn’t. He shouldn’t have been able to buy a gun after that . Not for quite some time anyway. May not have stopped him though, but other things may have. 

[Demongyz]

4 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

They did and a case was opened on him. Sounds like he even spent a night in inpatient treatment.

 

Somehow the ball got dropped after that. That’s where I’m most interested in talking about. We had this person identified and it still happened. How do we intervene in these cases while still respecting the rights of honest gun owners? That’s why I want to engage honest owners because we need their buy in. He bought additional firearms AFTER his school got him investigated and committed. 

Does the state of New York not flag people with mental health issues who threaten to perform a mass shooting?  It's a slippery slope to take guns away from people who have mental issues, but not all issues are created equally.

[Big Blitz]

The shooter targeted an area he knew wouldn't be armed.  

 

You take his guns and everyone else's guns and it's just the government with guns.  

 

That's definitely better.  You can trust the government. 

 

See Australia, China, North Korea and Canada during lockdown as to why the very presence of these guns in society is a necessity.  

 

 

 

Doesn't matter.  The guns are not the problem.  An EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD KID was so misguided and lost that he felt compelled to do what he did.

 

You're going to need a whole lot f...ing more then "End Racism" on football fields and "Anti Racism" books or courses to fix what's sick and broken in Western Civilization.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

I'm being facetious.

Ahhhhhh .got it .  So hard to tell these days and especially on this board lol 

[Demongyz]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Ahhhhhh .got it .  So hard to tell these days and especially on this board lol 

My bad, intent often is lost in translation when in text.

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, Rockpile233 said:

They did and a case was opened on him. Sounds like he even spent a night in inpatient treatment.

 

Somehow the ball got dropped after that. That’s where I’m most interested in talking about. We had this person identified and it still happened. How do we intervene in these cases while still respecting the rights of honest gun owners? That’s why I want to engage honest owners because we need their buy in.

I continue to appreciate your rational approach to the matter.

 

Playing devil's advocate - If you take away people's guns for going to therapy then people with mental illness won't seek treatment and they will continue to sit at home and fester and that might be what happened here.  He clearly didn't get the help he needed for whatever reason.  Someone must have known this kid was spending his life savings on stockpiling this stuff.  What 18 year old can afford all of this?  I know I couldn't when I was his age.  Someone close to him should have seen the signs that this was a troubled youth who was possibly becoming a threat to himself and others

[716er]

13 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Agreed.  I think anyone who has an identity based political view should not be allowed to own guns.

 

 

 

White nationalism is not an identity based political view.

 

Its hatred.

 

Sad that you are facetious about that. Really says something about your character.

[Gugny]

21 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Explain how'd you even begin to do that.  A few things... 1. Most people would tell the government to f-off and 2. Most small town LEO and sheriff's in conservative states (like all of middle-America) would also tell the federal gov. to f-off. I know for a FACT, my county sheriff would never be part of a gun 'take back' program. 

 

So how are you going to take semi-auto firearms from people? Good luck with that. 

 

 

It's a goal we should work toward.

11 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

By definition criminals break the law, yes?  By banning semi-autos you would just be taking them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.  Do you think criminals can't get whatever gun they want if they are willing to break the law?

 

So let's say they do ban semi-autos.  We are left with what, pump shotguns and hammer fired revolvers?  Do you think a crazy person couldn't go to Tops with a pump shotgun and shoot 10 people?  Then they will want to ban shotguns.  It doesn't end until law abiding citizens have no guns but the criminals and military do.

 

Oh, yes.  Then forget it.  Mea culpa.

[Demongyz]

Just now, 716er said:

White nationalism is not an identity based political view.

 

Its hatred.

 

Sad that you are facetious about that. Really says something about your character.

There are a lot of political movements based on the color of skin.  I think everyone should be able to own guns until they shouldn't.

 

This says a lot about me, where I don't give a ***** about color, I care about the health of the nation.  The nation is sick.

[716er]

2 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

There are a lot of political movements based on the color of skin.  I think everyone should be able to own guns until they shouldn't.

 

This says a lot about me, where I don't give a ***** about color, I care about the health of the nation.  The nation is sick.

Well color is central to what happened on Saturday.

[Rockpile233]

2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

I continue to appreciate your rational approach to the matter.

 

Playing devil's advocate - If you take away people's guns for going to therapy then people with mental illness won't seek treatment and they will continue to sit at home and fester and that might be what happened here.  He clearly didn't get the help he needed for whatever reason.  Someone must have known this kid was spending his life savings on stockpiling this stuff.  What 18 year old can afford all of this?  I know I couldn't when I was his age.  Someone close to him should have seen the signs that this was a troubled youth who was possibly becoming a threat to himself and others

I’m just muddling through life trying to make the best of it like most of us. 
 

I agree you can’t have disincentives for people to seek help. I’m not advocating for that. In this specific case he was not flagged for having anxiety or depression or some other issues. He quite literally threatened a mass shooting. I just think it’s time we take these threats more seriously. Sad that it sounds like some adults were trying to do the right thing. I hope more comes to light on what happened with this, roll his parents played, etc. Breakdown all around here. 

[KDIGGZ]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Oh, yes.  Then forget it.  Mea culpa.

Lol, well that's not a helpful response.  I'm honestly and truthfully just giving the perspective of gun owners when laws like that are suggested.  I think both sides just end up getting frustrated and are like oh well, nothing we can do I guess!

[Bad Things]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

See Australia, China, North Korea and Canada during lockdown as to why the very presence of these guns in society is a necessity.  

 

Sorry... what do you mean by this?  (Regarding Aus)

[Demongyz]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

Well color is central to what happened on Saturday.

You are correct, and it is sick and disgusting.

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

Well color is central to what happened on Saturday.

Red. 

[ALF]

Erie DA on news someone threatened a pizza business and local brewer over phone yesterday and referenced what happened at Tops. They traced and arrested him last night charged with D felony up to 7years. They will take serious all these false threats.

[Big Blitz]

21 minutes ago, 716er said:

Folks who align with theories of white supremacy should not be allowed to own guns.

 

Call out your own, cowards.

 

 

 

 

Where are the White Supremacists on this board?

 

Anybody?  Anyone?

 

 

My God what an ignorant sack of hatred you are.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

Lol, well that's not a helpful response.  I'm honestly and truthfully just giving the perspective of gun owners when laws like that are suggested.  I think both sides just end up getting frustrated and are like oh well, nothing we can do I guess!

 

I have no problem with responsible gun ownership.  I grew up with guns and hunted at a young age.  I DO have a problem with semi-automatic weapons.  They are killing machines with no other purpose.  There's a lot we can do.  And yes ... I agree ... nothing gets done because people dig their heels in.  There IS a logical solution.  It just doesn't include semi-automatic weapons.

[ArdmoreRyno]

10 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

It's a goal we should work toward.

 

Oh, yes.  Then forget it.  Mea culpa.

Once again, I ask questions and you completely avoid them. 
 

 

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Sorry... what do you mean by this?  (Regarding Aus)

 

 

They were under the most authoritarian lockdowns in "the West" during Covid Sham 2020-2022 that's currently on pause.  

 

They are often held up by the left as a shining example of how to do gun control due to the government's policies that literally prevent you from defending yourself.

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, Rockpile233 said:

I’m just muddling through life trying to make the best of it like most of us. 
 

I agree you can’t have disincentives for people to seek help. I’m not advocating for that. In this specific case he was not flagged for having anxiety or depression or some other issues. He quite literally threatened a mass shooting. I just think it’s time we take these threats more seriously. Sad that it sounds like some adults were trying to do the right thing. I hope more comes to light on what happened with this, roll his parents played, etc. Breakdown all around here. 

I think we all are just trying to do the right things for ourselves and our families.  I think it's sad when some people conclude that if you are on the other side of a political topic that you are the enemy or a bad person.  We are all just trying to do the right thing and sometimes it's just not so cut and dry as some people think these issues are.  It's pretty disheartening to be called names and such when I say that I own guns and I believe other law-abiding citizens should have the right to as well if they so choose, so I usually just keep my opinions to myself.  I wish more people would feel empowered to have open and honest conversations without it resulting in shouting and name calling.  That's the only way we will make progress

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I have no problem with responsible gun ownership.  I grew up with guns and hunted at a young age.  I DO have a problem with semi-automatic weapons.  They are killing machines with no other purpose.  There's a lot we can do.  And yes ... I agree ... nothing gets done because people dig their heels in.  There IS a logical solution.  It just doesn't include semi-automatic weapons.

What problem will eliminating semi-automatic weapons solve?

[716er]

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Where are the White Supremacists on this board?

 

Anybody?  Anyone?

 

 

My God what an ignorant sack of hatred you are.

This forum is full of replacement theory. It’s a shame.

[Bad Things]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

They were under the most authoritarian lockdowns in "the West" during Covid Sham 2020-2022 that's currently on pause.  

 

They are often held up by the left as a shining example of how to do gun control due to the government's policies that literally prevent you from defending yourself.

For F sake.

Sorry I asked.

[Gugny]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

What problem will eliminating semi-automatic weapons solve?

 

Well, for one (and at top of mind), mass shootings would be far less severe.

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

Well, for one (and at top of mind), mass shootings would be far less severe.

But not less frequent?  

[Gugny]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

But not less frequent?  

 

Perhaps not.  But fewer deaths and injuries.  

[KDIGGZ]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I have no problem with responsible gun ownership.  I grew up with guns and hunted at a young age.  I DO have a problem with semi-automatic weapons.  They are killing machines with no other purpose.  There's a lot we can do.  And yes ... I agree ... nothing gets done because people dig their heels in.  There IS a logical solution.  It just doesn't include semi-automatic weapons.

I think banning semi-autos is not a realistic outcome.  I think other things can be done like needing to take training courses, proving you are not a physical threat by keeping a clean criminal record, ongoing education, common sense laws around background checks and waiting periods, registration, etc.  Banning this or that is too extreme and will just cause division between both sides.  I think there is middle ground but how can we get there if one side is saying ban and the other side is saying no?  Sounds like we are still pretty far apart