Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, Beast said: Authoritarian Left Winger. Many racists included in that group. Your President is one. Deal with it. No one believes that crap, but go ahead. I must be terrible that people you support are so bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jauronimo Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 20 hours ago, Chef Jim said: A tragedy that appears to be racially motivated turns into an argument on abortion and the NRA. This place is amazingly ***** up. Carry on Tool Boys. 🙄 The other board could only muster up about a dozen posts commenting on the shooting in their former community. Most of them were already bemoaning or straight up mocking the possible reactions to the tragedy. Of course there were the obligatory "what about Chicago?" posts. It didn't even get its own thread! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 On 5/15/2022 at 8:03 AM, Tiberius said: He would of been shot dead if he were a person of color, in all likelihood Keep fanning the flames to keep the color thing going - does it really truly matter - meaning your opinion about what if or is it the truth that the gun couldn't have done it with out some whacked out SOAB white or black or that it was a mentally unstable or just plane evil POS human being & IMHO needs to be hung like they use to in the public square for all to see ! This guy & any other (doesn't matter the color of their skin) that targets any peaceful person for what ever the reason needs to get the same as they give as it's written a eye for a eye ! But that's cruel & unusual punishment today ... It goes both ways there are those of all colors that commit these kinds of crimes i remember one that a guy shot a little white 6 or 8 year old kid while he was out playing or riding his bike a few years back dud e wasn't shot . if there is 100% evidence that they did this crime don't house them for 30 yrs give them the death penalty this guy is a total POS !! Just like the others that commit the same thing & are allowed to walk away with 3 hots & a cot you can find many of all different colors that have done the same thing but lets keep or focus & bring the attention to the color thing to keep those flames fanned lets not look at the root of it that these are all just sick MF ers in our world today . For every white shooting a black you can probably if you want to take the time find a black killing a white, or a black killing a black, or a white killing a white, a oriental killing a white, a black killing a mexican, or a mexican killing a white & so on & so on it's ALL tragic no matter the color of the skin it is a human life ending by some deranged POS for gods sake but we have to focus on just 1 thought & bring that to the fore front 🤔😢 no we shouldn't . I say hang the POS ... https://apnews.com/article/f3d7b3eed1f7450bac1bc78caf61d4c6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 These conversations always start and end the same. Sucks no one can have a reasonable discussion. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 59 minutes ago, BillStime said: I see the the enablers finally got their talking points from their keepers. Its like the movie Ground Hog Day with you guys WTF ... Get the F over it would you please !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, T master said: Its like the movie Ground Hog Day with you guys WTF ... Get the F over it would you please !! Get over what bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 They just have not gotten over Civil Rights act of '64 or voting rights act of '65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: They just have not gotten over Civil Rights act of '64 or voting rights act of '65 The ones put into law thanks to Republicans on the Hill? The ones the Dems voted again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 The sick *****’s school reported him for threatening a mass shooting and other obvious cry for help behaviors. Yet he could still purchase rifles and body armor? He can’t even own a handgun legally in this state. Lot of inconsistencies. I wish firearms advocates would step up and help craft legislation that actually makes sense. Instead we get a lot of digging in and slippery slope fear mongering. There were plenty of red flags. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 52 minutes ago, T master said: Keep fanning the flames to keep the color thing going - does it really truly matter - meaning your opinion about what if or is it the truth that the gun couldn't have done it with out some whacked out SOAB white or black or that it was a mentally unstable or just plane evil POS human being & IMHO needs to be hung like they use to in the public square for all to see ! This guy & any other (doesn't matter the color of their skin) that targets any peaceful person for what ever the reason needs to get the same as they give as it's written a eye for a eye ! But that's cruel & unusual punishment today ... It goes both ways there are those of all colors that commit these kinds of crimes i remember one that a guy shot a little white 6 or 8 year old kid while he was out playing or riding his bike a few years back dud e wasn't shot . if there is 100% evidence that they did this crime don't house them for 30 yrs give them the death penalty this guy is a total POS !! Just like the others that commit the same thing & are allowed to walk away with 3 hots & a cot you can find many of all different colors that have done the same thing but lets keep or focus & bring the attention to the color thing to keep those flames fanned lets not look at the root of it that these are all just sick MF ers in our world today . For every white shooting a black you can probably if you want to take the time find a black killing a white, or a black killing a black, or a white killing a white, a oriental killing a white, a black killing a mexican, or a mexican killing a white & so on & so on it's ALL tragic no matter the color of the skin it is a human life ending by some deranged POS for gods sake but we have to focus on just 1 thought & bring that to the fore front 🤔😢 no we shouldn't . I say hang the POS ... https://apnews.com/article/f3d7b3eed1f7450bac1bc78caf61d4c6 Dude was a white supremacist, right? 26 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: The ones put into law thanks to Republicans on the Hill? The ones the Dems voted again? Parties are different now. Liberals use to vote Republican and Southern Democrats were Conservative racists. That is really simple 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Dude was a white supremacist, right? Parties are different now. Liberals use to vote Republican and Southern Democrats were Conservative racists. That is really simple It's actually not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said: The sick *****’s school reported him for threatening a mass shooting and other obvious cry for help behaviors. Yet he could still purchase rifles and body armor? He can’t even own a handgun legally in this state. Lot of inconsistencies. I wish firearms advocates would step up and help craft legislation that actually makes sense. Instead we get a lot of digging in and slippery slope fear mongering. There were plenty of red flags. Firearm advocate here. The problem is that if you give an inch they take a mile and neither side trusts each other. Most people are for common sense laws like background checks and waiting periods. The problem is that it doesn't stop there. They have already said they want to ban certain types of guns which by law would then give precedent to ban all guns. The 2nd amendment was put in place for a reason. The government works for us, not the other way around. Government should fear a strongly armed militia and it's supposed to be a balance of power. You want to give the government all of the power? How do you know they will do the right thing when history shows otherwise? This kid had mental problems clearly. Maybe focus on that. A gun is just a tool. A crazy person can do just as much or more damage with a bomb which is much easier to get than a gun 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said: The sick *****’s school reported him for threatening a mass shooting and other obvious cry for help behaviors. Yet he could still purchase rifles and body armor? He can’t even own a handgun legally in this state. Lot of inconsistencies. I wish firearms advocates would step up and help craft legislation that actually makes sense. Instead we get a lot of digging in and slippery slope fear mongering. There were plenty of red flags. Rifle are legal for anyone over the age of 18, who doesn't have a record. As a firm supporter of the 2A (I own a large number of firearms and don't believe we should be restricted on the type of firearms we can buy)... I don't know what the answer is. I served in the military and strongly feel if you can die for your country in battle, you should be allowed to own a gun. 99.9999% of gun owners never commit a violent crime. There has been studies (one from Florida in particular) that show legal conceal license owners commit violent crimes at a MUCH lower rate than your regular citizen. There are over 400 million firearms in the country right now. Very few are ever used to commit crime. So do we punish the vast majority for the actions of the very few? Should I not be allowed to own an AR-15 because of this evil racist in Buffalo? Again, not sure what the answer is right now. Many people believe that the AR platform has no other use put to kill people... which is not true, at all. It's one of the most popular hunting platforms today. I live in Southern Oklahoma and we all use AR-type rifles to hunt. As a mental health professional (LPC) I believe that the root of this is our society and how things have changed socially. When I grew up, you rarely heard of anything like this taking place. I remember hearing about the Austin bell tower shooting, as told by my dad who was in HS at the time. When I was in high school, we had gun racks in our trucks. Our HS principle actually started having us bring our rifles inside, put them unloaded in his office, until school was out (there were a few cars broken into). Society changed. Social media has taken such a toll on our kids, society in general... and for the worse. Again, I don't have the answers but don't pretend gun owners or 'firearm advocates' are the problem. We aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Firearm advocate here. The problem is that if you give an inch they take a mile and neither side trusts each other. Most people are for common sense laws like background checks and waiting periods. The problem is that it doesn't stop there. They have already said they want to ban certain types of guns which by law would then give precedent to ban all guns. The 2nd amendment was put in place for a reason. The government works for us, not the other way around. Government should fear a strongly armed militia and it's supposed to be a balance of power. You want to give the government all of the power? How do you know they will do the right thing when history shows otherwise? This kid had mental problems clearly. Maybe focus on that. A gun is just a tool. A crazy person can do just as much or more damage with a bomb which is much easier to get than a gun Part of the problem is this particular dig in referring to “they” taking a mile. That’s fear mongering to me. I would focus on the mental health too. I don’t have all the answers, but it saddens me that we still refuse to limit access for someone making EXPLICIT threats. Not worth it we’ll just go around. Even mentioning the conversation gets someone labeled as an individual giving up all to the government or wanting to seize peoples guns. I’m not thinking in these absolutes as much as people want to paint everyone in a box these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Get over what bro? If your not smart enough to figure it out that just all the more proves the point ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Again, I don't have the answers but don't pretend gun owners or 'firearm advocates' are the problem. We aren't. I don’t for a second consider you a problem. That’s why I want to engage you in conversation because you have a better perspective in which to frame solutions. The issue is this individual was making explicit threats and still there was nothing that could be done. Most of these incidents involve a severe mental illness. I wish people could find common ground on limiting access with better red flags considering todays social landscape and the damage social media has done to at risk youths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Dude was a white supremacist, right? Parties are different now. Liberals use to vote Republican and Southern Democrats were Conservative racists. That is really simple If that's what they are saying then the internet never lies so hang the SOAB & make him the example just maybe it might save some other innocent lives but you probably think that would be cruel & unusual punishment i'm guessing ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, T master said: If that's what they are saying then the internet never lies so hang the SOAB & make him the example just maybe it might save some other innocent lives but you probably think that would be cruel & unusual punishment i'm guessing ... So, yes, he was a white supremacist I mean, duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: So, yes, he was a white supremacist I mean, duh You were that pain in the a** kid in school that always had to be right . Well DUH if they are saying he was that then that is what he is DUH FFS . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said: Part of the problem is this particular dig in referring to “they” taking a mile. That’s fear mongering to me. I would focus on the mental health too. I don’t have all the answers, but it saddens me that we still refuse to limit access for someone making EXPLICIT threats. Not worth it we’ll just go around. Even mentioning the conversation gets someone labeled as an individual giving up all to the government or wanting to seize peoples guns. I’m not thinking in these absolutes as much as people want to paint everyone in a box these days. "They" meaning the current administration who has already stated they want certain guns banned and they have placed Beto O'Rourke at the head of said movement purposely because that is their stated goal. To be more specific, they want to ban "assault weapons." There's no such thing as an assault weapon. A stapler can be an assault weapon if you assault somebody with it. By placing a ban on assault weapons they can classify anything they want as an assault weapon thus banning all guns. They want to set that legal precedent which then gives them full autonomy to do as they please and I think both sides can agree that a strong government is what the forefathers were fighting to get away from and they didn't want future generations to end up in the same spot. Also, similarly, a limit to the number of rounds in the same regard gives a legal precedent to limit the rounds to whatever they deem fit. Is 1 round enough? Like the old school muskets? What if you are being attacked by 2 people? Can you call a timeout? These scenarios seem silly until you are in them. Common sense laws are a good idea but there are actors in our government who would gladly assume as much power as citizens are willing to give up and that's not a good situation for anybody. This is a very tragic situation and I wish there was an obvious answer to it. It's not as cut and dry as some people would like to think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: "They" meaning the current administration who has already stated they want certain guns banned and they have placed Beto O'Rourke at the head of said movement purposely because that is their stated goal. To be more specific, they want to ban "assault weapons." There's no such thing as an assault weapon. A stapler can be an assault weapon if you assault somebody with it. By placing a ban on assault weapons they can classify anything they want as an assault weapon thus banning all guns. They want to set that legal precedent which then gives them full autonomy to do as they please and I think both sides can agree that a strong government is what the forefathers were fighting to get away from and they didn't want future generations to end up in the same spot. Also, similarly, a limit to the number of rounds in the same regard gives a legal precedent to limit the rounds to whatever they deem fit. Is 1 round enough? Like the old school muskets? What if you are being attacked by 2 people? Can you call a timeout? These scenarios seem silly until you are in them. Common sense laws are a good idea but there are actors in our government who would gladly assume as much power as citizens are willing to give up and that's not a good situation for anybody. This is a very tragic situation and I wish there was an obvious answer to it. It's not as cut and dry as some people would like to think. You keep slamming the door. I promise I agree there are bad actors leading people astray, but cut them out. We’re on a football message board none of this is binding. At work when I have an issue with something I go to the person who lives it everyday to get data and advice. In business we accept that the environment around us is dynamic and ever changing and we need to make adjustments to address those changes. It’s typically done in a collaborative way. We confuse this with politically charged issues. Cut out all the intellectually dishonest people…what would you do with someone who owns rifles and body armor and is making explicit threats of a mass shooting incident. We can’t do anything? I don’t need a recap on the 2A, I understand it’s purpose and I’m a supporter. I’m interested in real conversation, but once again we always drift to the same place… Thoughts…I struggle advocating criminalizing someone who leading indicators suggest is heading towards a criminal act. If they have not done anything yet it’s all hypothetical. My suggestion would be to re-examine what sort of explicit threats rise to the level of criminal. To me someone threatening a mass shooting who also has the means to do it, should absolutely be fair game for state intervention. Edited May 16, 2022 by Rockpile233 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Rockpile233 said: The sick *****’s school reported him for threatening a mass shooting and other obvious cry for help behaviors. Yet he could still purchase rifles and body armor? He can’t even own a handgun legally in this state. Lot of inconsistencies. I wish firearms advocates would step up and help craft legislation that actually makes sense. Instead we get a lot of digging in and slippery slope fear mongering. There were plenty of red flags. I can get on board with restricting someone who has made such a threat. He can’t legally own a handgun because the vast majority of shootings involve handguns, not rifles. Criminals obviously do lots of things that they can’t do legally. Legislation is hardly a panacea, as murders take place every single day. Restricting the rights of law abiding citizens in the hopes of deterring a few miscreants is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) On 5/15/2022 at 9:03 AM, Tiberius said: He would of been shot dead if he were a person of color, in all likelihood Plus the Waukesha Christmas parade attacker (black), the Brooklyn subway shooter (black), and the Boulder king soopers shooter (middle eastern) were all taken in alive. I suggest you cry more. Edited May 16, 2022 by gobills404 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 On 5/15/2022 at 11:05 AM, yall said: That's actually not supported by data. I believe that topic is being addressed in another thread, citing a study from Roland Fryer. Regardless, this is awful any way you slice it. Thank you Yall. Tibs is one of the biggest race baiters on the board. Police are trained to de escalate when a suspect turns a gun on themselves. Suspects are often shot when they do not follow instructions and make a move to reach for a weapon or begin to aim it at officers etc. This killer knew exactly what he was doing and wanted to be taken alive. 3 hours ago, Beast said: LOL...like I said, having a hard time accepting he was an extreme Leftist, huh Tibs? I wonder if Tibs knows about NYS existing “red flag” law and why it wasn’t used on this psycho ? A liberal approach to crime was more responsible than any rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Plus the Waukesha Christmas parade attacker (black), the Brooklyn subway shooter (black), and the Boulder king soopers shooter (middle eastern) were all taken in alive. I suggest you cry more. Sadly, so many more unarmed black men have been shot, some many times. So... 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Thank you Yall. Tibs is one of the biggest race baiters on the board. Police are trained to de escalate when a suspect turns a gun on themselves. Suspects are often shot when they do not follow instructions and make a move to reach for a weapon or begin to aim it at officers etc. This killer knew exactly what he was doing and wanted to be taken alive. I wonder if Tibs knows about NYS existing “red flag” law and why it wasn’t used on this psycho ? A liberal approach to crime was more responsible than any rhetoric. Am I worse than the shooter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 It looked like the first officers to take him in custody had side arms the killer was in body armor with AR 15. The officers would have a difficult shot to bring him down before he used the AR against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 41 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said: You keep slamming the door. I promise I agree there are bad actors leading people astray, but cut them out. We’re on a football message board none of this is binding. At work when I have an issue with something I go to the person who lives it everyday to get data and advice. In business we accept that the environment around us is dynamic and ever changing and we need to make adjustments to address those changes. It’s typically done in a collaborative way. We confuse this with politically charged issues. Cut out all the intellectually dishonest people…what would you do with someone who owns rifles and body armor and is making explicit threats of a mass shooting incident. We can’t do anything? I don’t need a recap on the 2A, I understand it’s purpose and I’m a supporter. I’m interested in real conversation, but once again we always drift to the same place… Thoughts…I struggle advocating criminalizing someone who leading indicators suggest is heading towards a criminal act. If they have not done anything yet it’s all hypothetical. My suggestion would be to re-examine what sort of explicit threats rise to the level of criminal. To me someone threatening a mass shooting who also has the means to do it, should absolutely be fair game for state intervention. Yes, I too want more open and honest conversations. You can't get that in many places these days. Once you make your position known, the folks on the other side don't usually care to understand your perspective because they already have their mind made up that they are right and you are the bad guy. It's very sad that this is what the world has come to. I'm happy to answer anyone's questions as I know this is a polarizing topic and there are people on the other side that simply can't understand how I can take such a position but I promise you it is very well thought out and rationale and I'm happy to explain my reasoning. I am not slamming the door as you put it. I'm just stating the facts and the perspective of millions of gun owners in this country. All of us would like to stop such acts. It's absolutely sickening. If there was an easy answer I think something would have been done to stop it by now. This is much more nuanced than some may think. I think when someone makes threats like that it should definitely be taken seriously. It's usually a cry for help or acceptance or both. There were probably many opportunities for someone to step in and they didn't. I look at the parents, family, friends, people at the school. Someone must have known this kid was off the rails and spending his entire life savings on weapons while also threatening to use them in a menacing manner. In a day and age when people are asking to defund police, I think there is probably not enough resources to look into these types of cases even if it was reported to authorities. So the burden is on his immediate circle to see the signs of a mentally disturbed person and to do something about it. I wish there was a simple answer for this. I don't agree that the government should be the ones deciding who does and doesn't get to protect themselves and their family. That is way too much power and why would we think they would do the right thing with that power? History has proven otherwise. I think if the current administration backed off their rally cry to ban guns and both sides worked on implementing common sense laws that would in no way shift power or lead to further bans then maybe they can make some headway. When you have one side so extreme in their thinking it's going to make the other side dig their heels in and not want to give an inch. That's just an expected human reaction. Both sides are too far apart to come to any kind of agreements unfortunately. Extremism is high on both sides maybe more so than ever before in our history. I blame the politicians, the media, big tech more so than the people. Person to person communication like this is a start 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: "They" meaning the current administration who has already stated they want certain guns banned and they have placed Beto O'Rourke at the head of said movement purposely because that is their stated goal. To be more specific, they want to ban "assault weapons." There's no such thing as an assault weapon. A stapler can be an assault weapon if you assault somebody with it. By placing a ban on assault weapons they can classify anything they want as an assault weapon thus banning all guns. They want to set that legal precedent which then gives them full autonomy to do as they please and I think both sides can agree that a strong government is what the forefathers were fighting to get away from and they didn't want future generations to end up in the same spot. Also, similarly, a limit to the number of rounds in the same regard gives a legal precedent to limit the rounds to whatever they deem fit. Is 1 round enough? Like the old school muskets? What if you are being attacked by 2 people? Can you call a timeout? These scenarios seem silly until you are in them. Common sense laws are a good idea but there are actors in our government who would gladly assume as much power as citizens are willing to give up and that's not a good situation for anybody. This is a very tragic situation and I wish there was an obvious answer to it. It's not as cut and dry as some people would like to think. Hog wash. We have all sorts of gun laws and it hasn't degenerated into all guns being banned. That's a silly argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 I don't know much about that area of NY where the whack job is from but I am curious how he was not dealt with more seriously. We had a student at my school threaten violence and she was removed and sent to an inpatient facility. One thing that few people are aware of is that the superintendent of the Marjory Stoneman district has been forced out and the reason he was forced out is related to perjury related to that school. Apparently he covered up all of the warning signs that the school ignored to protect himself and his cronies. I am curious what we will find out over the next months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Hog wash. We have all sorts of gun laws and it hasn't degenerated into all guns being banned. That's a silly argument Happy to explain it further if you have any specific questions. You say hogwash but that would set the legal precedent. So we are just supposed to trust the government? When has anyone been able to trust the government to do anything? There are new administrations every 4 years. Even if this administration promised not to ban guns the next certainly could. All you have to do is look at pretty much every other country in the world that has already banned guns. What makes you think they wouldn't here if given the legal precedent to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Hog wash. We have all sorts of gun laws and it hasn't degenerated into all guns being banned. That's a silly argument Regardless of where it might lead... those who want to ban AR platform firearms can go f-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Regardless of where it might lead... those who want to ban AR platform firearms can go f-off. They will probably win in the long run. 14 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Happy to explain it further if you have any specific questions. You say hogwash but that would set the legal precedent. So we are just supposed to trust the government? When has anyone been able to trust the government to do anything? There are new administrations every 4 years. Even if this administration promised not to ban guns the next certainly could. All you have to do is look at pretty much every other country in the world that has already banned guns. What makes you think they wouldn't here if given the legal precedent to do so? Are machine guns legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Are machine guns legal? Automatic weapons have already been banned. Semi-automatic weapons are legal. It's all in the wording. Now they want to specifically ban "assault weapons." As mentioned, anything can be an assault weapon. A frisbee can be an assault weapon if they so choose. All guns can definitely be assault weapons. That's way too much overreaching power to ever be allowed to be passed and that is what gun rights activists are fighting for. It would essentially be a ban on all guns. Edited May 16, 2022 by KDIGGZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I don't know much about that area of NY where the whack job is from but I am curious how he was not dealt with more seriously. We had a student at my school threaten violence and she was removed and sent to an inpatient facility. One thing that few people are aware of is that the superintendent of the Marjory Stoneman district has been forced out and the reason he was forced out is related to perjury related to that school. Apparently he covered up all of the warning signs that the school ignored to protect himself and his cronies. I am curious what we will find out over the next months. it’s near Binghamton which is a “city” (~50,000 pop) but it’s basically the sticks. Close to PA border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: Automatic weapons have already been banned. Semi-automatic weapons are legal. It's all in the wording. Now they want to specifically ban "assault weapons." As mentioned, anything can be an assault weapon. A frisbee can be an assault weapon if they so choose. All guns can be assault weapons. That's way too much overreaching power to ever be allowed to be passed and that is what gun rights activists are fighting for No, a frisbee cannot be defined as an assault weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 One retired Buffalo Police Officer said it best , you can pass all the gun laws you want, but if you don't change peoples hearts it won't matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: No, a frisbee cannot be defined as an assault weapon Why not? What's an assault weapon? A weapon used to assault someone. If you throw a frisbee at someone's head you have just assaulted them 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Automatic weapons have already been banned. Semi-automatic weapons are legal. It's all in the wording. Now they want to specifically ban "assault weapons." As mentioned, anything can be an assault weapon. A frisbee can be an assault weapon if they so choose. That's way too much overreaching power to ever be allowed to be passed and that is what gun rights activists are fighting for You know if/when “they” try to ban assault weapons there will have to be a bill that defines them with specificity, just like the original automatic ban you referenced. They don’t define it as “any weapon that could be used to commit assault.” You’re just playing baby games and semantics with this line youre on. 4chan level nonsense. Edited May 16, 2022 by JoPoy88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, JoPoy88 said: You know if/when “they” try to ban assault weapons there will have to be a bill that defines them with specificity, just like the original automatic ban you referenced. They don’t define it as “any weapon that could be used to commit assault.” You’re just playing baby games and semantics with this line your on. 4chan level nonsense. It sounds like you are making a lot of assumptions and then resorted to complete dismissal of mine and millions of people's opinion on the matter, which is how these types of conversations often go when people are unable to thoughtfully rebut an argument. They were able to classify automatic weapons by the way they are fired - automatically without pulling the trigger. That one was easy. Now how do you define an assault weapon? Give it a try. There isn't a way to do so without banning all guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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