ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Spotrac just posted Crowder's Cap hit. $1,980,000. Nowhere near that $4M number. Great job Beane! https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jamison-crowder-16831/ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Spotrac just posted Crowder's Cap hit. $1,980,000. Nowhere near that $4M number. Great job Beane! https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jamison-crowder-16831/ I just found out and came to post this. This is incredible. 2M cash and cap hit for Crowder? Thats just sick. There are probably some bonuses "not likely to be earned" which might increase his earnings but holy cow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I just found out and came to post this. This is incredible. 2M cash and cap hit for Crowder? Thats just sick. There are probably some bonuses "not likely to be earned" which might increase his earnings but holy cow. Definitely a great move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I just found out and came to post this. This is incredible. 2M cash and cap hit for Crowder? Thats just sick. There are probably some bonuses "not likely to be earned" which might increase his earnings but holy cow. Agree. Beane did a great job with this. Beane has enough on the books to cover Shaq and Barkley with some left over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 year $2M almost seems like a joke. Wow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Process said: 1 year $2M almost seems like a joke. Wow. Best value signing of UFA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I just found out and came to post this. This is incredible. 2M cash and cap hit for Crowder? Thats just sick. There are probably some bonuses "not likely to be earned" which might increase his earnings but holy cow. Beane is just killing it in free agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 16 hours ago, Doc said: I expect to see Josh do for Crowder what he did for Bease. I do, but I don’t. He def won’t have the numbers Beasley did and I don’t think he’ll be first team all pro. I think the offense will be much different and the slot WR will get less snaps than the last 3 years. Throw in the fact that I expect Mckenzie to take a few slot reps + crowders inability to stay healthy. He’s a great add and a helluva slot WR. Love the signing, I just think he’ll have less snaps/targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: I do, but I don’t. He def won’t have the numbers Beasley did and I don’t think he’ll be first team all pro. I think the offense will be much different and the slot WR will get less snaps than the last 3 years. Throw in the fact that I expect Mckenzie to take a few slot reps + crowders inability to stay healthy. He’s a great add and a helluva slot WR. Love the signing, I just think he’ll have less snaps/targets. I'd just like to put this out here - the Jets seem to have had a problem with their sports medicine/rehab staff the last few years. They were making visibly bad decisions about injured players during games and attracting controversy. I think it's possible Crowder is able to stay healthier here. As for what happens - that depends on both changes to the offense, and how much rappore Crowder builds with Allen. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'd just like to put this out here - the Jets seem to have had a problem with their sports medicine/rehab staff the last few years. They were making visibly bad decisions about injured players during games and attracting controversy. I think it's possible Crowder is able to stay healthier here. As for what happens - that depends on both changes to the offense, and how much rappore Crowder builds with Allen. Nice tidbit. Thanks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jamison-crowder-16831/ This is just "Exhibit Z" of why one should never assess signings too vigorously based on initial reports. This was reported as a 1 year contract worth "up to" $4M (it probably is - there may be $2M of incentives classed by the NFL as "not likely to be earned"). McKenzie's contract, OTOH, was reported as a "2 year, $4.4M" contract (after an initial report as $8M) BUT, it has been said to include $3.75M of incentives, which would actually make it a 2 year, $8M contract the same way Crowders is "up to" $4M Confused yet? Me too, but the the bottom line is, wait to see the details on any deal. Also, while it's not 100%, contracts do sometimes reflect the relative value teams put on players. I think some writers talking about the Bills were influenced by the report, $4M for Crowder = higher value signing. To the extent that contract reflects perceived value, Crowder at $2M cap hit this year ($1.1M guaranteed) is actually on a pretty equal footing with McKenzie ($1.9M cap hit this year, $1.25M guaranteed) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Bills cap space after this deal recorded on Spotrac: $2.56M Not included: Lawson, Barkley Additional cap from pushing lowest deals off top-51:$1.76M Available cap to sign Lawson and Barkley: $4.32M I think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 What happens to those 'difficult to hit' bonuses if they are hit- do they become dead cap next year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 30 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: What happens to those 'difficult to hit' bonuses if they are hit- do they become dead cap next year? Not exactly. At the start of a new NFL year each team's cap is adjusted up or down accordingly due to these factors. Last week the Bills had their cap adjusted lower by $1.9M. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'd just like to put this out here - the Jets seem to have had a problem with their sports medicine/rehab staff the last few years. They were making visibly bad decisions about injured players during games and attracting controversy. I think it's possible Crowder is able to stay healthier here. As for what happens - that depends on both changes to the offense, and how much rappore Crowder builds with Allen. This is a very accurate statement. The Jets had an O lineman named Osemele (sp) I think his name was where he was forced to play injured before he was traded/cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malazan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: This is a very accurate statement. The Jets had an O lineman named Osemele (sp) I think his name was where he was forced to play injured before he was traded/cut. 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'd just like to put this out here - the Jets seem to have had a problem with their sports medicine/rehab staff the last few years. They were making visibly bad decisions about injured players during games and attracting controversy. I think it's possible Crowder is able to stay healthier here. As for what happens - that depends on both changes to the offense, and how much rappore Crowder builds with Allen. The Jets turned over their training staff under Douglas, but the results have been similar in terms of man-games lost. There may be something to the grumbling of several Jets/Giants players that the field at MetLife sucks and increases the risk of injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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