Breece Hall Please!!

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

He he also disagreed that Devin singletary would look good behind the colts offensive line

 

I don't disagree that Breece Hall is better.. but singletary took shady's job as a rookie and is still 4.6 yards per carry career 

 

He isn't a scrub 

 

Some stats that show our offensive line is a bigger problem... 

 

As a rookie singletary faced a stacked box on 8% of carries... He averaged 5.6 yards per carry on that stacked box... Very good 

 

Last year on a stacked box.. which was only 3% of the time

 

Singletary averaged 1.8 yards per carry 

 

Singletary didn't become 5 yards per carry worse.. our line really struggles at blocking a non-base package 

 

On a base front. Singletary still averages 5.3 yards per carry last year... That's not a light box that's a base front

 

Word.  I’m sure Singletary and Duke will be just fine in 2022 as long as our OL is sufficient. 

[Buffalo716]

35 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Word.  I’m sure Singletary and Duke will be just fine in 2022 as long as our OL is sufficient. 

OJ Simpson behind a weak line wouldn't look like an MVP  

 

It all starts upfront

[Mat68]

I know Breece Hall is an athletic freak.  Singletary looks like a faster player.  I dont think Breece Hall’s athleticism shows up watching him play.  I think Walker is the only guy worth taking at 25.  He plays as fast as his 40.  He also is better at making defenders miss tackles.  

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I know Breece Hall is an athletic freak.  Singletary looks like a faster player.  I dont think Breece Hall’s athleticism shows up watching him play.  I think Walker is the only guy worth taking at 25.  He plays as fast as his 40.  He also is better at making defenders miss tackles.  

Somewhat agree….except the part about Walker being worth the 25th pick.  

[Motor26]

5 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I know Breece Hall is an athletic freak.  Singletary looks like a faster player.  I dont think Breece Hall’s athleticism shows up watching him play.  I think Walker is the only guy worth taking at 25.  He plays as fast as his 40.  He also is better at making defenders miss tackles.  

Walker at 57 would be cool if he’s there. I personally don’t value RB’s enough to think they should warrant a first round pick.

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

Walker at 57 would be cool if he’s there. I personally don’t value RB’s enough to think they should warrant a first round pick.

I get it.  All im saying is if they would take Etinne or Harris last year, Walker is the only guy close imo.  Depending how the draft plays out Walker could be in play.

[skibum]

I'm a big proponent of taking the best player at their position in the whole draft , if available. I think it's the best value a team can get with a low 1st round pick. It's also why I loved the Tyler Bass pick! 

 

Breece Hall is the consensus #1 RB in the draft, so by all means draft the kid. Safety and TE are also positions where the top 1 or 2 should still be on the board when the Bills pick. By #25, the top 4-5 CB prospects will already be gone. Bills don't need a WR right now. Might as well get the most elite player you can get at a position Beane's Bills have not really hit on yet. 

 

Imagine this offense with a bona fide stud at RB. Josh has never had one, if we're being honest.

Edited April 20, 2022 by skibum

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, skibum said:

I'm a big proponent of taking the best player in the whole draft at their position, if any of them are available. I think it's the best value a team can get with a low 1st round pick.

 

Breece Hall is the consensus #1 RB in the draft, so I am totally on board with Beane taking him. Safety and TE are also positions where the top 1 or 2 should still be on the board when the Bills pick. By #25, the top 4-5 CB and WR prospects will already be gone. Might as well get the most elite player you can get, and RB is not a strong point for these Bills anyway. 

Except he’s not the consensus

[Mat68]

18 minutes ago, skibum said:

I'm a big proponent of taking the best player at their position in the whole draft , if available. I think it's the best value a team can get with a low 1st round pick. It's also why I loved the Tyler Bass pick! 

 

Breece Hall is the consensus #1 RB in the draft, so by all means draft the kid. Safety and TE are also positions where the top 1 or 2 should still be on the board when the Bills pick. By #25, the top 4-5 CB prospects will already be gone. Bills don't need a WR right now. Might as well get the most elite player you can get at a position Beane's Bills have not really hit on yet. 

 

Imagine this offense with a bona fide stud at RB. Josh has never had one, if we're being honest.

I dont think Hall is the best back.  I dont believe its close.  His combine shot him up the the media attention.  Now I agree more best players the better.  However there are 32 variants of that idea.

[Solomon Grundy]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Except he’s not the consensus

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/2022-nfl-draft-ranking-running-backs-no-1-to-36
MJD, Ladainian Tomlinson and Shady McCoy has all spoken on who they think is the top RB in this year’s draft 

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Word.  I’m sure Singletary and Duke will be just fine in 2022 as long as our OL is sufficient. 

 

Then the Bills should take Zion Johnson or Ryan Linderbaum if one of them is on the board at #25.

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Then the Bills should take Zion Johnson or Ryan Linderbaum if one of them is on the board at #25.

I don’t think that’s the smartest move but maybe, if they’re their BPA.    As our current roster, I think should take the highest rated player available on their board.  Whether that’s Johnson, Linderbaum, booth or whoever’s the top rated WR.  Maybe even DE.  Not in any particular order, just their top guy. 

[Motor26]

52 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/2022-nfl-draft-ranking-running-backs-no-1-to-36
MJD, Ladainian Tomlinson and Shady McCoy has all spoken on who they think is the top RB in this year’s draft 

That article is just MJD’s opinion, not a consensus.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

Hmm where does Breece Hall fall? I’m going to guess the Bills don’t have a first round grade on him. 

 

 

My defaults regarding what Beane says to the media are thus:

 

1) If there is ANY strategic advantage at all to lying.......he will lie.......and sometimes even go a bit out of his way to do so.

 

2) Otherwise he is pretty honest. 

 

There are obvious strategic reasons to not speak negatively of the value of the RB position.

 

Be it simply not to alienate your own running backs and keep the "perception" that they are valued and that hard work and production could result in a second contract.

 

Or just to make teams think you *might* take a RB with your pick.

 

It would be nothing short of idiotic for Beane to say that he wouldn't take a RB in round 1 or even that they would have to be a generational type, etc..

 

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

Hmm where does Breece Hall fall? I’m going to guess the Bills don’t have a first round grade on him. 

 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Hey @NewEra, sounds like Joe Marino is changing his thoughts about the 25th pick after listening to Beane PC.

His thoughts around the 12:00 mark

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Hey @NewEra, sounds like Joe Marino is changing his thoughts about the 25th pick after listening to Beane PC.

His thoughts around the 12:00 mark

More importantly, it’s now ok to post his content.  
 

[Big Blitz]

I think it's absolutely ridiculous that after the weather this team saw from essentially October thru JANUARY in Buffalo - we're not seriously considering the importance of a legit RB.  AND oline.  I'd take Linderbaum at 25 or maybe the best Guard...consider it for sure.  

 

 

We won games bc Josh Allen ran more in weeks 13 thru RD 2 in the playoffs.  

 

This has to stop -  

 

It isn't going to stop if you look in your backfield and see Duke Johnson, or how poorly the Oline may be playing - you'll default to Allen.  I want Allen running in big games.  Not all of them. 

 

 

1.  So...I'd like a RB the defense is concerned about - this will help the passing game - see every elite QB they have a legit RB

 

2. When the weather is bad, we can't be one dimensional.  Or Josh - centric.  I'd like him to play a decade more or longer at an elite level.  Big games - playoff games - go all out.  But with an RB teams fear, you may not have to.

 

3. We can still throw as much as we do.  It's ridiculous to think we wouldn't.  That passing game will in turn make said elite RB even more of a problem.  

 

4. The Rams run the ball - a lot 

 

5. Motor is gone after this year.  Having Hall the next 5 on a rookie deal is awfully appealing.  

 

 

I'm pretty much done hearing "can't go RB - AT PICK 25."  All things considered with the team and their lack of concern about CB.....I'm about ready to say you get Hall. 

 

I'd take Sauce, Booth, McDuffie, Wilson, London, Williams and maybe Olave over him.  But my list is getting shorter as the draft approaches. 

 

We're starting to sound like Sabres fans circa 2010-2013 "you can just get a Goalie anywhere."  Yep.  Mmm hmmm.....

Edited April 21, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

More importantly, it’s now ok to post his content.  
 

Just wanted you to hear it from your hero’s mouth

[BADOLBILZ]

41 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

I think it's absolutely ridiculous that after the weather this team saw from essentially October thru JANUARY in Buffalo - we're not seriously considering the importance of a legit RB.  AND oline.  I'd take Linderbaum at 25 or maybe the best Guard...consider it for sure.  

 

 

We won games bc Josh Allen ran more in weeks 13 thru RD 2 in the playoffs.  

 

This has to stop -  

 

It isn't going to stop if you look in your backfield and see Duke Johnson, or how poorly the Oline may be playing - you'll default to Allen.  I want Allen running in big games.  Not all of them. 

 

 

1.  So...I'd like a RB the defense is concerned about - this will help the passing game - see every elite QB they have a legit RB

 

2. When the weather is bad, we can't be one dimensional.  Or Josh - centric.  I'd like him to play a decade more or longer at an elite level.  Big games - playoff games - go all out.  But with an RB teams fear, you may not have to.

 

3. We can still throw as much as we do.  It's ridiculous to think we wouldn't.  That passing game will in turn make said elite RB even more of a problem.  

 

4. The Rams run the ball - a lot 

 

5. Motor is gone after this year.  Having Hall the next 5 on a rookie deal is awfully appealing.  

 

 

I'm pretty much done hearing "can't go RB - AT PICK 25."  All things considered with the team and their lack of concern about CB.....I'm about ready to say you get Hall. 

 

I'd take Sauce, Booth, McDuffie, Wilson, London, Williams and maybe Olave over him.  But my list is getting shorter as the draft approaches. 

 

We're starting to sound like Sabres fans circa 2010-2013 "you can just get a Goalie anywhere."  Yep.  Mmm hmmm.....

 

 

Late in the draft process there is information overload and you can begin to doubt some of the things you KNOW are right.

 

When you are considering a RB in round 1...........ask this simple question.............in the past 30 years what RB that the Bills could have picked in round 1 that subsequently went in round 1 did the Bills live to regret NOT taking with that pick?

 

There aren't any.

 

But they should regret ALL of the RB's they have taken in round 1 in that time frame.

 

None of them even got a second contract and that was BEFORE not giving RB's second contracts was accepted as the best move. 

 

Your 1st round pick is a chance to add a franchise building block..........RB's are just short term rental-level impact for your franchise........and the notion that a rookie RB of any ilk is the final piece of any SB puzzle has proven to be without merit for decades now.