Breece Hall Please!!

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Breece Hall was already off the board in the previous mock iirc.  
 

Putting them head to head in a poll for the first time 

You're right, I just went back and looked, I was way off.  In 1.0 McDuffie was taken in the first for the Bills and in the second took K Walker after B Hall had been selected.

[Aurelius]

I feel like Breece is a lot better fit than Walker for the Bills.  Breece is quite a bit bigger, but just as fast and is far and away the better receiver of the 2.  So much that he can really do damage in flank, on screens and in slot.  In addition, he’s got a longer stride and I think has better breakaway ability given his greater length when going up a level to the NFL.  Breece’s production matches all that.  
 

Walker is very shifty, hits the hole hard and is more of a back for a team relying on the running game.  Much shorter player with shorter stride and seems to rely on speed burst to break past initial line of defenders but slows a bit and looks back a ton on long runs for fear of getting caught.  He’s an excellent back who Id love to have as well, and I’m no NFL scout, but Breece seems like a superior fit for what the Bills do and his proven ability to catch makes him a legit weapon for Allen. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, Aurelius said:

I feel like Breece is a lot better fit than Walker for the Bills.  Breece is quite a bit bigger, but just as fast and is far and away the better receiver of the 2.  So much that he can really do damage in flank, on screens and in slot.  In addition, he’s got a longer stride and I think has better breakaway ability given his greater length when going up a level to the NFL.  Breece’s production matches all that.  
 

Walker is very shifty, hits the hole hard and is more of a back for a team relying on the running game.  Much shorter player with shorter stride and seems to rely on speed burst to break past initial line of defenders but slows a bit and looks back a ton on long runs for fear of getting caught.  He’s an excellent back who Id love to have as well, and I’m no NFL scout, but Breece seems like a superior fit for what the Bills do and his proven ability to catch makes him a legit weapon for Allen. 

 

Breece without a doubt is the better RB for this team. I think Walker is a good RB, but he doesn’t fit what this teams identity is. Another poster compared him to Forte, and in a way I agree. Hall is very dangerous out in space. With him on the field, you truly don’t know what the play calling is going to be, he can do it all dangerously. He’s even a goal line back. He will play smash mouth or finesse and is exactly what we need. He doesn’t need 16+ carries to help this team out, his very presence will confuse defenses enough to create plenty of split second delays to make strategic advantages. Which is worth its weight in gold. You won’t get that same feeling with Moss or Singletary on the field, you pretty much know what’s happening. 

[JoshAllin]

4 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

It would have been weird if Walker wasn't chosen here, since he was chosen in the first round in the last Bills mock draft.

 

I think that is why Virgil left Walker off, he assumed Walker would be the choice.

Is walker actually a good pick for the bills? I read the cons and did not like them at all https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-pros-and-cons-pffs-top-five-running-backs-kenneth-walker-breece-hall-dameon-pierce

[JaCrispy]

10 minutes ago, motorj said:

Is walker actually a good pick for the bills? I read the cons and did not like them at all https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-pros-and-cons-pffs-top-five-running-backs-kenneth-walker-breece-hall-dameon-pierce

He appears to be a great runner...but based on what the Bills have been looking for (a receiving back or a receiver like WanDale Robison, who can also run out of the backfield), Walker doesn’t really seem to be a fit...

[Einstein's Dog]

17 minutes ago, motorj said:

Is walker actually a good pick for the bills? I read the cons and did not like them at all https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-pros-and-cons-pffs-top-five-running-backs-kenneth-walker-breece-hall-dameon-pierce

Having read that, I don't want either Hall or Walker in the second.

 

It will be interesting to see what the FO does about RB.  Singletary's contract is going to be up soon so a replacement there would be nice.  And if they have soured on Moss, i would like to see a new short yardage specialist to stop having Josh run on 3rd and ones.  Two different types of backs though.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

Breece without a doubt is the better RB for this team. I think Walker is a good RB, but he doesn’t fit what this teams identity is. Another poster compared him to Forte, and in a way I agree. Hall is very dangerous out in space. With him on the field, you truly don’t know what the play calling is going to be, he can do it all dangerously. He’s even a goal line back. He will play smash mouth or finesse and is exactly what we need. He doesn’t need 16+ carries to help this team out, his very presence will confuse defenses enough to create plenty of split second delays to make strategic advantages. Which is worth its weight in gold. You won’t get that same feeling with Moss or Singletary on the field, you pretty much know what’s happening. 

Just because Walker wasn’t asked to catch balls in college doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid receiver.  He’s made a couple very nice catches that could be a glimpse of what he can do if given the opportunity.  Let’s not act like players can’t improve when coached up on the nfl level.  Walker is even more dangerous in space.   The problem with both of these guys:  pass protection.  

[Solomon Grundy]

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/daniel-jeremiah-shares-wr-to-watch-for-bills-at-pick-25-explains-why-rb-breece-hall-makes-sense.html?outputType=amp

[Milanos Milano]

17 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/daniel-jeremiah-shares-wr-to-watch-for-bills-at-pick-25-explains-why-rb-breece-hall-makes-sense.html?outputType=amp

Only a few days away! Can’t wait until Thursday-Saturday. 

[Kangaxx]

I can't wait until we draft him. 

[PrimeTime101]

So, I watched Cover 1 last night and 2 things were discussed about Hall

1. He has already been over played a ton with his reps 

2. The holes he goes through are huge and if there is not a big hole he gets 2 bouncy. 

 

Think there is any merit to any of this?

[Buffalo716]

35 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So, I watched Cover 1 last night and 2 things were discussed about Hall

1. He has already been over played a ton with his reps 

2. The holes he goes through are huge and if there is not a big hole he gets 2 bouncy. 

 

Think there is any merit to any of this?

The amount of reps is not a huge concern

 

But he definitely had massive holes and his decisiveness definitely gets worse as the holes get smaller.. he's not the best in close quarters

 

And you need to be able to get skinny in the NFL through the hole

 

He's still a really good runner but he excels once he hits the second level where his build-up speed and cut back ability can take over

Edited April 23, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Milanos Milano]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The amount of reps is not a huge concern

 

But he definitely had massive holes and his decisiveness definitely gets worse as the holes get smaller.. he's not the best in close quarters

 

And you need to be able to get skinny in the NFL through the hole

 

He's still a really good runner but he excels once he hits the second level where his build-up speed and cut back ability can take over

Which is why we need a good OC to get creative with him in space. Let Singletary get skinny. We need an underneath option that can take it to the house at any given point. 

But Hall does just fine in tight quarters, look at all his goal line runs. 

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Which is why we need a good OC to get creative with him in space. Let Singletary get skinny. We need an underneath option that can take it to the house at any given point. 

But Hall does just fine in tight quarters, look at all his goal line runs. 

Bolded is so crazy it's not even funny. We have no clue how good or bad Ken Dorsey is to make statements like this. Some would say we just had a good OC. Your narrative is horrible.

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So, I watched Cover 1 last night and 2 things were discussed about Hall

1. He has already been over played a ton with his reps 

2. The holes he goes through are huge and if there is not a big hole he gets 2 bouncy. 

 

Think there is any merit to any of this?

I don’t agree with their assessments. There are plenty of highlights showing him getting “skinny” through holes. The big holes they see him running through are due to his vision. 

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I don’t agree with their assessments. There are plenty of highlights showing him getting “skinny” through holes. The big holes they see him running through are due to his vision. 

Having watched every carry of his career it's actually easy to agree the Iowa st offense produced huge running lanes for him 

 

Highlights are just that highlights 

 

He's very talented but he absolutely benefited from huge running lanes... And most division one running backs have good enough vision to find holes in college 

 

Over 50 running backs went for over a thousand yards last year D1 ... It all starts with vision 

 

You know who played with a bad line and produced? Isaiah Spiller

 

I'm not saying he's better than breece... But he has really good interior vision.. and he plays way faster than his 40 time 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Milanos Milano]

When we win a super bowl with Breece Hall, everyone will get over the fact we drafted him in the 1st round. 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

When we win a super bowl with Breece Hall, everyone will get over the fact we drafted him in the 1st round. 

I really haven't seen 1 person say he isn't good 

 

What people are saying is we have other positions of need 

 

We could've won a SB last year with singletary as our lead... Now is hall better? Yes 

 

But Devin isn't solely keeping us back... Our offense scores ...our defense let us down 

 

Hall certainly would make us more dynamic on offense 

 

We can win a SB without drafting him

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I really haven't seen 1 person say he isn't good 

 

What people are saying is we have other positions of need 

 

We could've won a SB last year with singletary as our lead... Now is hall better? Yes 

 

But Devin isn't solely keeping us back... Our offense scores ...our defense let us down 

 

Hall certainly would make us more dynamic on offense 

 

We can win a SB without drafting him

We already took care of the defensive issue with Von Miller. Now it’s time to address the weakest link on offense. We can still draft a CB and an OG later in the draft. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We already took care of the defensive issue with Von Miller. Now it’s time to address the weakest link on offense. We can still draft a CB and an OG later in the draft. 

It's up to beane to decide what's our biggest need 

 

Hall can be a upgrade and dynamic weapon to our offense

 

But we are very thin at CB as well in a passing league 

 

We are very very thin