Mango Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Cap moves Bills still have left pretty easily with little impact to talent level. Beasley - cut/trade/paycut Diggs - Extension White - Restructure Edmunds - Extension Dawkins - Restructure Poyer - Restructure Milano - Restructure Star - Cut (Post June 1 Designation) Wouldn't Poyer make sense with his contract expiring this year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mango said: A bunch of numbers are missing on OTC and Spotrac. Any idea what our space is looking like in 2023? Right now roughly 45M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2023/ But it will be less than 15M once all FA contracts, restructures and rookie contracts kick in. Maybe even close to zero. And that will be without Edmunds and hopefully Knox extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Is that all it does? Damn so you want to play GM... the draft is going to cost another 6M to sign the rooks, plus dead cap as of today is at 9.9M not counting possible release of #11 which would add another 1M+ plus, plus Beano wants to carry a surplus of 2M+, plus you got to pay the practice squad barnyard animals,BTW, no backup (vet) qb signed as of yet...then you got to decide whether to keep Star or not...then likely Diggs extension, and maybe Edmunds...and we wonder why there are some decision misses along the way... Edited March 16, 2022 by First Round Bust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Hmm why do you think that? McKissic is 7/2, so probably around 2.5M first year. If Jones rumors are correct, he is 14/2, so at least 5M first year. Saffold has a dummy year, but I doubt his cap hit this year is less than 4M. So that is at least 11M together. Because they would not have done it if they didnt need to fit these players. I fully think that they will fit. within the 8.M Like Settle for example. his cap is 2.6M this year. and that is on a 4.5AAV they were able to structure for roughly 2M lower than AAV this year. so that mind set with the others they can get them fit in 8.M IMO 7 minutes ago, Mango said: Wouldn't Poyer make sense with his contract expiring this year? Sorry meant extension there. will fix it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 The Saints are cap masters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Bills kicking the can down the road Honestly if they continue to offer and sign players to smart contracts that allows restructuring they will be able to continue to do this for the foreseeable future Sign your core to long term deals, sign secondary players to shorter term easy to get out of deals and most importantly develop players from the draft 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Gonna be way more than that...it's going to go up probably $80-90 million over the next 4 years. Those TV contracts getting ready to kick in are MASSIVE Not to mention all the legalized gambling revenue the league has just started collecting. On a related subject I notice a huge reliance on Spotrac and an under reliance on OvertheCap: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ I've found that their numbers often differ, especially on individual player projections, Levi Wallace being a good example of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Yes, the cap is fake. Also credit cards. You don't really have to pay them back at all. Thank you! That helps me out a bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: The Saints are cap masters. If by masters you mean good at racking up lots of credit card debt, yes they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Right now roughly 45M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2023/ But it will be less than 15M once all FA contracts, restructures and rookie contracts kick in. Maybe even close to zero. And that will be without Edmunds and hopefully Knox extensions. That was my big fear heading into this offseason. Getting through it without trashing the next year. $15M is OK. But we have Edmunds, Knox, Poyer, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said: If by masters you mean good at racking up lots of credit card debt, yes they are. The axe never really comes down. They've been running circles around it for a decade+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said: Hmm per sportrac they spread it over 5 years, creating 3 void years with dead cap §1.1M each. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/micah-hyde-12440/ Not sure I like this. But like I said I will judge once FA is over. Well it is not all we are doing. We are also creating lot of dead cap for future years. I am not saying we shouldn't do it but it is important to note. I would imagine that they have every intention of re-signing Hyde after this season which would essentially tear up those void years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: The axe never really comes down. They've been running circles around it for a decade+. Fair enough... it seems that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, ChanticleerBillsFan said: This cap stuff is confusing. All I know is bring us more players! It's pretty straight forward. If you need to free up cap space, make it a signing bonus in a restructured contract. Most of the other numbers are really irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 26 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Right now roughly 45M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2023/ But it will be less than 15M once all FA contracts, restructures and rookie contracts kick in. Maybe even close to zero. And that will be without Edmunds and hopefully Knox extensions. and Star will still have 4 years left on his contract, and it will be impossible to get out until NEXT YEAR. Always next year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said: We are also creating lot of dead cap for future years. I am not saying we shouldn't do it but it is important to note. So, this is where the front office guys are earning their money. It's not really "dead" cap if the guy is still playing for you. It does reduce the amount of cap room you have in a future year, for sure, but if the guy is still productive in your lineup, it hurts less. All you've done is averaged the cost of the guy across the years he's playing for you. The restructured deals are typically with guys the Bills project will be around to cover the "dead" cap. They think Hyde will. Presumably they think Milano will. It's related to what I just said in the thread about why McBeane don't sign superstars in free agency. In both cases, they're considering the average cost of the player over his playing career. Still, there is an element of kicking the can down the road here, because dead cap is dead cap. But the good teams, and the Bills are one of those, seem to know how to manage it, year after year, to keep a steady stream of talent coming and staying in the building. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: I would imagine that they have every intention of re-signing Hyde after this season which would essentially tear up those void years. As far as I understand it any re-signing will not help with those void years. If we re-sign him whatever we pay him takes another cap space, in addition to existing dead cap (3,4M). 25 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Because they would not have done it if they didnt need to fit these players. I fully think that they will fit. within the 8.M Like Settle for example. his cap is 2.6M this year. and that is on a 4.5AAV they were able to structure for roughly 2M lower than AAV this year. so that mind set with the others they can get them fit in 8.M IMO I highly doubt that it is even possible to fit McKissic, Jones and Saffold within 8M cap this year, provided that 14/2 Jones number published by agent is remotely accurate. We will revisit this once the numbers are known, I'll find you Thanks for the job you are doing in this thread / FA thread btw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: So, this is where the front office guys are earning their money. It's not really "dead" cap if the guy is still playing for you. It does reduce the amount of cap room you have in a future year, for sure, but if the guy is still productive in your lineup, it hurts less. All you've done is averaged the cost of the guy across the years he's playing for you. The restructured deals are typically with guys the Bills project will be around to cover the "dead" cap. They think Hyde will. Presumably they think Milano will. It's related to what I just said in the thread about why McBeane don't sign superstars in free agency. In both cases, they're considering the average cost of the player over his playing career. Still, there is an element of kicking the can down the road here, because dead cap is dead cap. But the good teams, and the Bills are one of those, seem to know how to manage it, year after year, to keep a steady stream of talent coming and staying in the building. Yeah I know. I meant (i) dead cap from void years and (ii) restructures of active players. In the end both means kicking the can down the road. Past years we've made very few of these moves, since we didn't have to. Now we will have to. I fully trust Beane to be smart, it is just an uncharted territory for this regime imo. Edited March 16, 2022 by No_Matter_What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RyanC883 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 HOPEFULLY D players restructuring means they know the need for an elite pass rusher, and Bean is on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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