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No_Matter_What Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Irrelevant to the topic, but what's the point of starting every other tweet with "breaking"? Russian invasion was breaking news, not that one guy joins another guys lawsuit (even moreso when this was hinted long time ago). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Irrelevant to the topic, but what's the point of starting every other tweet with "breaking"? Russian invasion was breaking news, not that one guy joins another guys lawsuit (even moreso when this was hinted long time ago). I don’t know but I read yesterday that shefter makes 9 mill/yr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I have plenty of sympathy for Blacks, but from a practical point of view, this is a lot of baloney. I mean, each of these guys may have been discriminated against, but proving it with the kind of stuff they're alleging doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Wilks was 3-13 in one year as head coach of the Cardinals. Lots of guys have been one and done after going 3-13. He blames his failure on the GM. And to say if he'd been the head coach and Kyler Murray, he would have succeeded too, is total speculation. So is that he wanted to draft Josh Allen. It's all just speculation. And to complain that you got the interview strictly because of the Rooney Rule, and you weren't a serious candidate because they already had someone in mind, well, that happens often too. The Rooney Rule doesn't require the team to hire a Black candidate, and it doesn't give a Black candidate a free ride to head coaching job just because the Black candidate thinks he was a better choice. The rule is designed as much as anything to give Black candidates the opportunity to develop interview skills in a very selective market. Most guys don't get hired in the first head-coaching interview. There seems to be very little evidence of racial discrimination. "I didn't get hired" is not evidence. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) I think Horton has a case, given Mularkey's story. If that isn't proof of a "sham interview" I don't know what is. Mularkey would have no reason to make that up either, as it makes him look bad. Not so sure on Wilks. I mean, he got a raw deal but he also seemed not up to the job if I recall correctly. I mean, there's the Jim Tomsulas of the world too, and maybe Wilks was similarly not ready. but IMO of all these guys Horton has the most compelling case. Edited April 7, 2022 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CapeBreton Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I believe the Cardinals traded up for Rosen but still, good thing they didn’t listen to Wilks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 The rooney rule itself is what is humiliating and to blame. The Titans knew who their head coach pick was, but the rule forces them to find someone who fits a particular designation in order to be cleared to hire the guy they know they want? Mularkey wasnt even an outside candidate, he was the interim head coach at the time. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know but I read yesterday that shefter makes 9 mill/yr That's 'breaking' my heart! 🤯🤬😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: I believe the Cardinals traded up for Rosen but still, good thing they didn’t listen to Wilks! I'm sure Pete Carroll would've drafted Tom Brady if it weren't for being fired from the Patriots and replaced by Belichick too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I think Horton has a case, given Mularkey's story. If that isn't proof of a "sham interview" I don't know what is. Mularkey would have no reason to make that up either, as it makes him look bad. Not so sure on Wilks. I mean, he got a raw deal but he also seemed not up to the job if I recall correctly. I mean, there's the Jim Tomsulas of the world too, and maybe Wilks was similarly not ready. but IMO of all these guys Horton has the most compelling case. I think all three guys didn't get fair shakes as head coach. Not one them has anything to do with race, though. It's just at any given time 80% of the teams in this league are run incompetently, negligently, or both. Black, white or whatever else, the fact is if you're a head coach in this league there's a high likelihood you're gong to flame out for reasons far beyond your control. It's a shame, but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I think Horton has a case, given Mularkey's story. If that isn't proof of a "sham interview" I don't know what is. Mularkey would have no reason to make that up either, as it makes him look bad. Not so sure on Wilks. I mean, he got a raw deal but he also seemed not up to the job if I recall correctly. I mean, there's the Jim Tomsulas of the world too, and maybe Wilks was similarly not ready. but IMO of all these guys Horton has the most compelling case. In Mularkey's case he was already the coach. The team decided they wanted to stick with him. So, when a team decides they want to hire the interim coach full time, isn't every other interview a sham interview? The only reason Tennessee had to put on the dog & pony show was the Rooney Rule, which at times forces teams to conduct interviews in spite of having already chosen someone within the organization. Recently the Bills had to do the same thing before hiring Dorsey as OC. Internal hires where one candidate is the obvious choice should not be subject to a rule that makes a team interview people from outside the organization just for window dressing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 40 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I have plenty of sympathy for Blacks, but from a practical point of view, this is a lot of baloney. I mean, each of these guys may have been discriminated against, but proving it with the kind of stuff they're alleging doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Wilks was 3-13 in one year as head coach of the Cardinals. Lots of guys have been one and done after going 3-13. He blames his failure on the GM. And to say if he'd been the head coach and Kyler Murray, he would have succeeded too, is total speculation. So is that he wanted to draft Josh Allen. It's all just speculation. And to complain that you got the interview strictly because of the Rooney Rule, and you weren't a serious candidate because they already had someone in mind, well, that happens often too. The Rooney Rule doesn't require the team to hire a Black candidate, and it doesn't give a Black candidate a free ride to head coaching job just because the Black candidate thinks he was a better choice. The rule is designed as much as anything to give Black candidates the opportunity to develop interview skills in a very selective market. Most guys don't get hired in the first head-coaching interview. There seems to be very little evidence of racial discrimination. "I didn't get hired" is not evidence. I agree with this. The move has also been to hiring from the offensive side of the ball, not defensive. That's why they are starting the efforts to move more black coaches to that side of the ball. As to the Cardinals not wanting to move up to grab Josh Allen, I was under the impression they tried to move up but the Bills beat them to it. Recall, no one was dealing above pick 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: I believe the Cardinals traded up for Rosen but still, good thing they didn’t listen to Wilks! I love when some media hack tries to revise history. As you stated, Arizona traded up for Rosen, they did not stay put. Arizona wanted to trade up for Josh, but the Bills had more draft ammo. Arizona was 15th with one 2nd round pick, the Bills were 12th with 2 second round picks to offer. Arizona never had the draft capital to compete with the Bills. I remember a lot of draft graders saying the Bills gave up too much for Allen while applauding Arizona for trading up 5 spots (same number of spots that the Bills moved up from) in order to beat Miami to Rosen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 57 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Irrelevant to the topic, but what's the point of starting every other tweet with "breaking"? Russian invasion was breaking news, not that one guy joins another guys lawsuit (even moreso when this was hinted long time ago). Breaking news I believe is news that hasn't been reported before,that this is the first report of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 NFL introduces Rooney Rule requiring teams to interview people who may not be the right candidate for the job. People are interviewed based on skin color and don't get said job. So by that logic wouldn't every minority candidate ever that wasn't hired have a case? I went for a job interview and didn't get it. I don't know why and neither do these candidates. To assume racism without proof is interesting to say the least. More millionaires pandering to people who may actually be oppressed and I'm sure the Twitter mob is going to take the bait. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: I love when some media hack tries to revise history. As you stated, Arizona traded up for Rosen, they did not stay put. Arizona wanted to trade up for Josh, but the Bills had more draft ammo. Arizona was 15th with one 2nd round pick, the Bills were 12th with 2 second round picks to offer. Arizona never had the draft capital to compete with the Bills. I remember a lot of draft graders saying the Bills gave up too much for Allen while applauding Arizona for trading up 5 spots (same number of spots that the Bills moved up from) in order to beat Miami to Rosen. Yeah I was under the understanding that Arizona wanted Josh Allen too, but couldn't get ahead of the Bills. Although if Allen was their guy, why would they then trade up for Rosen? Was that to get ahead of Miami who may have wanted him? Definitely a head scratcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Albany,n.y. Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: Yeah I was under the understanding that Arizona wanted Josh Allen too, but couldn't get ahead of the Bills. Although if Allen was their guy, why would they then trade up for Rosen? Was that to get ahead of Miami who may have wanted him? Definitely a head scratcher. Carson Palmer retired & they had no long term answer at QB, so they felt that they had to draft a QB. If the Bills had lost out on Josh Allen, at some point early in the draft, they would have selected a QB. The Browns, Jets, Bills and Cardinals all had boxed themselves into a corner that made it necessary to draft a QB in 2018. The class was supposed to be the best since 2004 and each team had made alternate plans if their top guy was already drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know but I read yesterday that shefter makes 9 mill/yr Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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