Questions Surrounding a New Stadium in OP .

[Jrb1979]

  On 1/10/2022 at 4:28 AM, Buffalo716 said:

It's going to be 60,000 capacity stadium 

 

Which seems to fit perfectly with how many come weekly

 

Build it for increased noise and our 60,000 will sound like lunatics

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That's at the current cheap ticket price. What happens when PSLs and higher ticket prices come into play? I'm not so sure they will fill the place when that happens. 

[Chicharito]

We need a dome our quarter billion dollar quarterback can’t handle wny elements !

[T master]

  On 1/9/2022 at 3:57 AM, Augie said:

 

My first question would be how many more threads will be started on this very same topic. 

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If you will show me which post that there was asking the same question as mine i will be happy to delete it I knew there were other posts about a new stadium but i didn't see the one asking if they would use some of the equipment from this stadium in the new one .

 

To answer your question i'd say probably at least 4 more ...

[cba fan]

  On 1/9/2022 at 4:56 AM, purple haze said:

Outdoorsman survivalist?  Hardly.   I’m just a football fan who knows the roots of the game are outdoors and the weather at game time is the weather at game time.  

Those of you with a preference for moderate conditions should watch at home because that’s the experience you seem to want.   Indoors and perfect.  Nothing wrong with that.  I get it.  Other people will go the game.

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football was never invented or intended to be played in winter. They invented basketball for winter play.

Football was always a late summer and fall game that ended by Thanksgiving like High Schools do now. College also over by end of Nov..  All or most bowl and playoff games are in domes or in south/far west in good weather.

 

Only the pro game development and their desire to make more money did the schedules then push into winter.

[purple haze]

  On 1/14/2022 at 7:19 PM, cba fan said:

football was never invented or intended to be played in winter. They invented basketball for winter play.

Football was always a late summer and fall game that ended by Thanksgiving like High Schools do now. College also over by end of Nov..  All or most bowl and playoff games are in domes or in south/far west in good weather.

 

Only the pro game development and their desire to make more money did the schedules then push into winter.

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That’s all well and good.  It’s still an outdoor game.  And has always been that.  NFL extended the season, but the pros get paid to play.  College players didn’t.  The bowl games were about more than the actual game.  They were vacations for players/coaches families as well.  That’s not the case in the pros.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:01 PM, purple haze said:

That’s all well and good.  It’s still an outdoor game.  And has always been that.  NFL extended the season, but the pros get paid to play.  College players didn’t.  The bowl games were about more than the actual game.  They were vacations for players/coaches families as well.  That’s not the case in the pros.

 

 

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And they were always played in warm weather locations.  And it's fine to say football is an outdoor game as long as you acknowledge that until the NFL came along, they didn't play those outdoor games past November. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[purple haze]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:02 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

And they were always played in warm weather locations.  And it's fine to say football is an outdoor game as long as you acknowledge that until the NFL came along, they didn't play those outdoor games past November. 

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The NFL didn’t reward players/coaches families like colleges were doing.  Of course they would be in places where they could get out and do things.   There also weren’t many bowl games at one time so the rewards went to relatively few as opposed to today.

 

Yes, the NFL has pushed the season forward.  But come on, they’ve played games past November since, at least, the 1930s.  And many of those championship games were played in cold weather.  Playing NFL games in the bitter cold isn’t close to being a new thing. 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:22 PM, purple haze said:

The NFL didn’t reward players/coaches families like colleges were doing.  Of course they would be in places where they could get out and do things.   There also weren’t many bowl games at one time so the rewards went to relatively few as opposed to today.

 

Yes, the NFL has pushed the season forward.  But come on, they’ve played games past November since, at least, the 1930s.  And many of those championship games were played in cold weather.  Playing NFL games in the bitter cold isn’t close to being a new thing. 

 

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But the debate here is weather football was meant to be played in the dead of winter. Originally it wasn't. It took the pro game and it's pursuit of the mighty $$$ to make it happen. So it's definitely played in the ice and cold, but wasn't necessarily mean to be played in that.

[Steptide]

I have a legit question. They say adding a roof to the stadium would be another 300 million dollars (or more). Syracuse just recently renovated the carrier dome and replaced the roof and did all of it for 118 million. Where's the 300 million coming from for buffalo? 

[ColoradoBills]

Football weather when I was a kid (old AFL days) was a cool crisp autumn day.

 

Living in Colorado I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think an in depth "psychoanalysis" needs to be done between domer's" and

open-airer's for those WNYers still on the fence.

[K-9]

I don’t think Walter Camp ever specified what weather the game of football was meant to be played in. 

[WhoTom]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:57 PM, Steptide said:

I have a legit question. They say adding a roof to the stadium would be another 300 million dollars (or more). Syracuse just recently renovated the carrier dome and replaced the roof and did all of it for 118 million. Where's the 300 million coming from for buffalo? 

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The Carrier Dome's capacity is about 50k, vs 65k for the proposed stadium. The dome was also renovated before Covid and the ensuing higher construction costs.

 

 

 

[Steptide]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:17 PM, WhoTom said:

 

The Carrier Dome's capacity is about 50k, vs 65k for the proposed stadium. The dome was also renovated before Covid and the ensuing higher construction costs.

 

 

 

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15 thousand fans and covid is a difference of 200 million? I find that hard to believe. Plus the carrier dome did ALL their renovations for 118 million, not just the roof 

[SoCal Deek]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:57 PM, Steptide said:

I have a legit question. They say adding a roof to the stadium would be another 300 million dollars (or more). Syracuse just recently renovated the carrier dome and replaced the roof and did all of it for 118 million. Where's the 300 million coming from for buffalo? 

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It's an excellent question but I think the dollar figure sounds about right....although probably a little inflated. With that said, the stadium project budget is a balancing act of many variables. I believe WNY fans would appreciate the roof way more than they would some of the other amenities that other NFL venues cite these days. Does Buffalo need a ton of luxury boxes? Probably not. How about a massive jumbotron video display? Probably not. How about expensive food venues and restaurants/clubs? Again, probably not. What Bills fans really want is a parking lot to party in (consuming their own food and drink) both before and after the game and an enclosed venue where they can enjoy the game shielded from the elements for the three hours they're in their reasonably priced seats.

[K-9]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:21 PM, Steptide said:

15 thousand fans and covid is a difference of 200 million? I find that hard to believe. Plus the carrier dome did ALL their renovations for 118 million, not just the roof 

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The added cost to cover the new stadium is mostly from the sheer amount of additional area to be covered. Even though it will have some 15k-20k fewer seats than the original Rich Stadium, the footprint will be larger to accommodate bigger seats, much wider concourses, bigger suites, etc. It will simply require a much bigger roof than the Carrier dome.

[TheFunPolice]

  On 1/14/2022 at 7:19 PM, cba fan said:

football was never invented or intended to be played in winter. They invented basketball for winter play.

Football was always a late summer and fall game that ended by Thanksgiving like High Schools do now. College also over by end of Nov..  All or most bowl and playoff games are in domes or in south/far west in good weather.

 

Only the pro game development and their desire to make more money did the schedules then push into winter.

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The NFL championship game was played the last few days of December going back to the late 1950's

 

"the Greatest game ever played" NFL Championship game between the Giants and Colts was played on December 28, 1958. 

 

The "Ice Bowl" was played December 31 and it was -13 degrees in Green Bay. 

 

Not as late as games are now, but certainly not fall weather. 

 

So for the past 65+years winter weather has been a part of pro football. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:31 PM, K-9 said:

The added cost to cover the new stadium is mostly from the sheer amount of additional area to be covered. Even though it will have some 15k-20k fewer seats than the original Rich Stadium, the footprint will be larger to accommodate bigger seats, much wider concourses, bigger suites, etc. It will simply require a much bigger roof than the Carrier dome.

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Building a roof that only hangs over the stands is just as tricky as building a complete roof. Maybe more so. It's not the square footage of the cover, it's how you hold it up and what stresses it has to deal with.

[TheFunPolice]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:43 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Building a roof that only hangs over the stands is just as tricky as building a complete roof. Maybe more so. It's not the square footage of the cover, it's how you hold it up and what stresses it has to deal with.

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Makes sense, because the longer the overhang the more pressure is put on the supports, since they're only supported on one side

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:45 PM, TheFunPolice said:

 

Makes sense, because the longer the overhang the more pressure is put on the supports, since they're only supported on one side

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Not to mention how a partial overhang deals with a stiff wind that might get under it.

[Since1981]

HS Sectional champs Nov 7

NFL 1960 champ Dec 26

SB I Jan 15

SB XXV Jan 27

SB LVI Feb 13

 

NFL has crept the season…Playing and watching football romantically on a crisp October day is NOT the same as 0F or windstorms or monsoons. 
 

the dates above are facts, not an opinion. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by Since1981