Great win for the Bills

[NewEra]

11 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

My Knicks won on Christmas Day, my Bills won today. I'm happy as hell. Can't wait to hear Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest tomorrow. 😂😂😂

Oh no Solomon!!!  I’m so sorry to hear that my man!!!  Nyks fan???  Say it ain’t so!!  Good to see tibs turning things around but I’m not sure if any of those players are core players.  Don’t get me wrong, randle is a beast, but he’s a semi head case and best served as a 3rd option On a contending team.  Barrett is the confusing one….it looked like he was ready to take his game to the next level last year, but has regressed big time this season.  Get in the gym and shoot 2k 3pointers a day young man.  Learn how to go right once in awhile. Sorry, I don’t belong to any nba forums and like to get my hoops fix once in awhile 

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Oh no Solomon!!!  I’m so sorry to hear that my man!!!  Nyks fan???  Say it ain’t so!!  Good to see tibs turning things around but I’m not sure if any of those players are core players.  Don’t get me wrong, randle is a beast, but he’s a semi head case and best served as a 3rd option On a contending team.  Barrett is the confusing one….it looked like he was ready to take his game to the next level last year, but has regressed big time this season.  Get in the gym and shoot 2k 3pointers a day young man.  Learn how to go right once in awhile. Sorry, I don’t belong to any nba forums and like to get my hoops fix once in awhile 

 

I am hoping they replay the Bills - Pats game on the NFLN either Tuesday or Wednesday night. An 8:00 start time would be nice. I could watch this game over and over again.

[TBBills]

38 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Again stop! No one knows how good or bad a rookie WB will be in the future. The truth is he had an excellent rookie year and teams have a ton of film now to make him uncomfortable. The team had a 7 game winning streak and the last 2 he had the team poised for a 4th quarter comeback win if the D makes a stop. 

He didn't do much, the run game did most the work. He is at his peak which is what was said was going to happen with him he has a very low ceiling and it won't get much higher. He has gotten progressively worse as the time goes on.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Actually he is an good passer! He isn’t awesome where he elevated his WR and makes them better than they are at least not yet. But there aren’t many in the league right now who are… Brady use to be able to do that, but not anymore. Rogers has always needed a Superstar WR just like Allen does now.  Hardly makes Allen awful saying he is like Rogers now.  He just isn’t like Manning and Brady in their prime. 
 

 

Does Allen have accuracy issues? Yes when you get him out of his game and force him to play differently.  Hell even yesterday he threw a couple ducks… imagine this place if Jackson holds onto the ball in the 4th and the Pats ended up wining the game 28-26 they would want his head and blame the D for a collapse as well even though both played well.  (To those who will take this out of context I am giving an example of how even Bills fans throw Allen’s accuracy under the bus.)

Oh yeah, like EVERY QB EVER.  

10 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Agalor is going to be cut, (that saves then 4 million I was told) and they will pay too dollar for one of the 2 top FA WR. I am thinking Allen Robinson.
 

Meyers, Johnson, Brown and Phillips be back. White and Gunner possibly back as well. (On a 1 year deals)

 

I think McCourty retires. I wouldn’t be shocked if they tried get Mathieu in FA.

 

Someone WAY overpays for Jackson. (After last two games bye bye bye) 

 

They move up to draft top CB and they take at least 2 in the draft along with a LB. Late in the draft (5th and 6th round) they will get the o lineman.

Still think Allen will have a long career? Lol 

 

(eye roll)  

No he wouldn’t. Lmao if you think that then you obviously have no clue how BB operates or how he believes things work. 
 

Fact is he wouldn’t trade that because Allen would SUCK with this team.  This team has no superstar WR, and certainly none that will hide any inaccurate throw flaws he may have.. 

 

I think people are hilarious who believe a QB can be good anywhere. The truth is they are all system QBs and not all QBs work in all systems. 

You’ll save 5m actually, while taking a 10M dead cap hit.  

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

Agree. Jones can be a very good QB like in the same path as Brady.  He is very accurate and if his surrounding cast helps him, he can manage the game efficiently.  He sets up the run game perfectly.   Over time. I think he can build an NFL arm and take on a bigger role.   Things are looking really good for young QBs in the AFC... We have Allen, Burrows, Mahomes, Herbert and Lamar being the shining stars along with. Jones, Tua,  Baker,  Zach, Lawrence having the opportunity to turn into real good QBs.   

He really isn’t that accurate. Did you watch today? He missed guys left and right. He had little to no accuracy on balls over 20 yards. His deep balls are basically Hail Marys because he doesn’t have arm strength. Jones might be cerebral like a Fitzpatrick but that will take you so far in this league. The team rallied around him because Belichick encouraged them to do so since Jones is a rookie. Next year when Jones is still limited physically and can’t put the team on his back, how do you think they will respond? The narrative will eventually become either Jones is holding them back or they are winning without great QB play. 
To quote Josh Allen, “you either figure it out, or you get figured out.”. The last couple games are trending towards Jones being figured out. Remember Josh’s rookie year? He looked better and better as the year went on. Not so with Jones. 

[Solomon Grundy]

21 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Oh no Solomon!!!  I’m so sorry to hear that my man!!!  Nyks fan???  Say it ain’t so!!  Good to see tibs turning things around but I’m not sure if any of those players are core players.  Don’t get me wrong, randle is a beast, but he’s a semi head case and best served as a 3rd option On a contending team.  Barrett is the confusing one….it looked like he was ready to take his game to the next level last year, but has regressed big time this season.  Get in the gym and shoot 2k 3pointers a day young man.  Learn how to go right once in awhile. Sorry, I don’t belong to any nba forums and like to get my hoops fix once in awhile 

Quiet as it’s kept Era, I’m all for Knicks to include Randle and Barrett in any trade scenario for Ben Simmons or Karl Anthony Towns. Loving IQ, Obi Toppin, Grimes, Kemba. Everyone else is expendable. Lol

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

I am hoping they replay the Bills - Pats game on the NFLN either Tuesday or Wednesday night. An 8:00 start time would be nice. I could watch this game over and over again.

Yeah I’m waiting for my wife to watch it again.  She can’t deal with anymore Bills talk right now. 

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Quiet as it’s kept Era, I’m all for Knicks to include Randle and Barrett in any trade scenario for Ben Simmons or Karl Anthony Towns. Loving IQ, Obi Toppin, Grimes, Kemba. Everyone else is expendable. Lol

I love Grimes.  That was a helluva pick.  Loved him at Kansas and Houston. He’s got the grit tibs needs. 
 

you really want Ben Simmons?  The guys that refuses to practice shooting?  He’s the biggest embarrassment in the nba by a long shot.  No heart. 
 

KAT is an exceptional talent and ball player, but there’s a reason that jimmy Butler went off on him the way he did.  He’s soft.  He plays soft too.  Watch him in the final moments of every game.  Standing at the 3 point line waiting.  If they give him the ball inside the arc, he dribbled backwards and shoots J’s even when he’s guarded by smaller defenders. I’m not a fan of his mindset and lack of aggressiveness on the court. 

Edited December 27, 2021 by NewEra

[PatsFanNH]

28 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

He really isn’t that accurate. Did you watch today? He missed guys left and right. He had little to no accuracy on balls over 20 yards. His deep balls are basically Hail Marys because he doesn’t have arm strength. Jones might be cerebral like a Fitzpatrick but that will take you so far in this league. The team rallied around him because Belichick encouraged them to do so since Jones is a rookie. Next year when Jones is still limited physically and can’t put the team on his back, how do you think they will respond? The narrative will eventually become either Jones is holding them back or they are winning without great QB play. 
To quote Josh Allen, “you either figure it out, or you get figured out.”. The last couple games are trending towards Jones being figured out. Remember Josh’s rookie year? He looked better and better as the year went on. Not so with Jones. 

What’s with people and saying “ the last couple games” as if the team was blown out and the game was never blue be on?  Against Indy he rebounded and needed 1 dang stop and the Pats win that game. Hell if the Pats D stopped Allen on that last drive  which started with 7 minutes they probably score the go ahead TD. Now against Buffalo that was mostly Harris willing then to victory, but Indy it was Jones making tight accurate throws to bring them back.  
 

also revisionist history much? Allen looked “better” but he still didn’t look GOOD! While Jones actually went toe to toe with superstars QBs and matched them score for score.. difference? No one schemed to find Allen’s “weakness” his rookie year, they are for Jones. As I have said  before its to early tell how good or bad he will be but if he can adapt with the help of BB and McDaniels he will be fine.  People also forget this is the longest he has ever played for. Rookie year is a tough year for all players.. 

[dave mcbride]

13 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Comparing Jackson to Wallace is like me comparing Dugger to Tre White.. Jackson is our top CB and he dropped 2 easy INT today the first he got burned for a TD the very next play.  
 

point is Jackson is wanting Gilmore type money but unlike Gilmore seems to puke all over himself in big games. (He dropped 2 last week as well) So more of a “I am so angry with him I want to strangle him” than what if.. 

Jackson’s first “drop” was basically uncatchable — a laser that DBs always drop when playing the Bills because they don’t have good enough hands to be receivers. I can’t tell you how many “drops” like that I’ve seen on Allen passes. He simply throws it a higher velocity than any other qb in the league, and DB drops on those types of mistake throws are almost always the result. You have to factor that in.

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Jackson’s first “drop” was basically uncatchable — a laser that DBs always drop when playing the Bills because they don’t have good enough hands to be receivers. I can’t tell you how many “drops” like that I’ve seen on Allen passes. He simply throws it a higher velocity than any other qb in the league, and DB drops on those types of mistake throws are almost always the result. You have to factor that in.

If it was just THIS game and not also last week where he dropped two of Wentz god awful throws I would. What I am seeing is a player who gets smaller in big games.  The only common denominator is they were both BIG Games and he choked in both of them.  

[atlbillsfan1975]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

What’s with people and saying “ the last couple games” as if the team was blown out and the game was never blue be on?  Against Indy he rebounded and needed 1 dang stop and the Pats win that game. Hell if the Pats D stopped Allen on that last drive  which started with 7 minutes they probably score the go ahead TD. Now against Buffalo that was mostly Harris willing then to victory, but Indy it was Jones making tight accurate throws to bring them back.  
 

also revisionist history much? Allen looked “better” but he still didn’t look GOOD! While Jones actually went toe to toe with superstars QBs and matched them score for score.. difference? No one schemed to find Allen’s “weakness” his rookie year, they are for Jones. As I have said  before its to early tell how good or bad he will be but if he can adapt with the help of BB and McDaniels he will be fine.  People also forget this is the longest he has ever played for. Rookie year is a tough year for all players.. 

You really need to stick to the Pats with your inaccurate takes. Allen did look good after he came back from his arm injury, especially when you consider who his receivers were.

Jones is showing why he fell to where he did in the draft. He was the readiest QB in the class, but he has a ceiling due to his physical traits. I know you think since TB got better physically, Jones will too. However, there are a ton of guys who never have. I guess you should hold out hope that Jones can be the exception again like TB was, otherwise, you have to face the fact you have a young Ryan Fitzpatrick. 

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said:

You really need to stick to the Pats with your inaccurate takes. Allen did look good after he came back from his arm injury, especially when you consider who his receivers were.

Jones is showing why he fell to where he did in the draft. He was the readiest QB in the class, but he has a ceiling due to his physical traits. I know you think since TB got better physically, Jones will too. However, there are a ton of guys who never have. I guess you should hold out hope that Jones can be the exception again like TB was, otherwise, you have to face the fact you have a young Ryan Fitzpatrick. 

No one! And I mean no one! Was worried about Allen in his rookie year!  Again he was average at best when he came back but no one was scared face him his rookie year and NO one game planned for his weakness.  To be honest no one was scared of Allen till he had both Diggs and Beasley to throw to. Then he got scary.. not before.. I know you want believe that people thought Allen was a superstar in the making before then, they didn’t. 
 

again! Judging any WB by their rookie year is foolish.

[97bills]

14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Jackson’s first “drop” was basically uncatchable — a laser that DBs always drop when playing the Bills because they don’t have good enough hands to be receivers. I can’t tell you how many “drops” like that I’ve seen on Allen passes. He simply throws it a higher velocity than any other qb in the league, and DB drops on those types of mistake throws are almost always the result. You have to factor that in.

BB has no answer for diggs he always takes away your number one WR, but he just can’t figure out diggs in 5 games against NE he has 422 yards and 4 td and one of those games was played in that hurricane 

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, 97bills said:

BB has no answer for diggs he always takes away your number one WR, but he just can’t figure out diggs in 5 games against NE he has 422 yards and 4 td and one of those games was played in that hurricane 

 

In Bill's defense for yesterday's game McKenzie was shredding his D so it was easy to lose focus on Diggs.

[Magox]

13 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

No one! And I mean no one! Was worried about Allen in his rookie year!  Again he was average at best when he came back but no one was scared face him his rookie year and NO one game planned for his weakness.  To be honest no one was scared of Allen till he had both Diggs and Beasley to throw to. Then he got scary.. not before.. I know you want believe that people thought Allen was a superstar in the making before then, they didn’t. 
 

again! Judging any WB by their rookie year is foolish.

 

Zay Jones had his best year as a pro his last year with the Bills with Josh Allen.

 

John Brown has his best year as a pro with his first year with Josh Allen.

 

Beasley has his two best years in his first two years with Josh Allen.

 

Stefon Diggs has his best year ever with his first year with Josh Allen.

 

Dawson Knox had 0 TD catches in college and now has 9 TD’s and becoming close to a probowl caliber TE.

 

This isn’t a coincidence.

 

Many of us who watched the Bills lose to the Dolphins his rookie year where figuratively took the team on his back knew we had our franchise QB.    And to watch him progress all his stats from year 1 to 2 to 3 knew that he was a very special QB in the making.    
 

Josh Allen would shine for any competent offensive play caller, would they run the same system that they do for Mac Jones?  Of course not, they would open up the playbook and unleash Josh’s unique god given talents.

 

Mac Jones is a good heady QB, and I think he will have a fine career but he will never be able to make the off-schedule plays or anything close to approaching Josh Allen.   

Edited December 27, 2021 by Magox

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

22 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

If it was just THIS game and not also last week where he dropped two of Wentz god awful throws I would. What I am seeing is a player who gets smaller in big games.  The only common denominator is they were both BIG Games and he choked in both of them.  

The two biggest drops in the game we’re both by far from bills receivers in the end zone. Those two drops cost the bills what, 8 or 11 points combined?

 

Never even should’ve been a five point game with seven minutes left.

13 minutes ago, 97bills said:

BB has no answer for diggs he always takes away your number one WR, but he just can’t figure out diggs in 5 games against NE he has 422 yards and 4 td and one of those games was played in that hurricane 

I’m pretty sure they were 19 - 20 mph winds in the first game last year too. Bills ran the hell out of the ball that game.

[Pete]

Classy post NH.  Cheers to you

[Gugny]

15 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

The Bills were just unstoppable today on O, and the couple times that Allen made a mistake it literally slipped threw the Pats D hands. (Jackson that big payday just went way down after your less than clutch performance today.)  Today was all about the Bills O who never punted.

 

That said this is where I expected things to be. Bills are the better team and the Pats are at least a good FA and Draft from truly being a challenger for the division and SB.

 

Good win for your Bills today and the East is yours for at least one more year.

 

Do you seriously think that McCorkle is leading this team to a Super Bowl?  Ever?  

[eball]

Just sayin', about the last thing I need is a Pats*** troll telling me what a "great win" this was for my team.