NoSaint Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Lol well he’s out 10 days minimum…any news on sanders coming back? Not to defend Beasley too much but I think most of the nfl is getting omicron in the next 3 weeks vaccinated or not. I would not take that as defending him. unfortunately, not shocking to see it happen but he made the choice to have it impact his availability worse than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I see what you're saying. Yes, you're right, I believe some players would get an IV before the game and at halftime and try to play through the flu in previous years. I guess my point was that vaccinated or unvaccinated don't make a difference to whether a player with symptoms can play. I agree. I also think players with highly contagious serious diseases should not play (insert sport here) while they are highly contagious. I understand why the NFL has decided to, in my opinion, partially bury its head in the sand and assume that vaccinated asymptomatic players are not contagious, even though the evidence for that is ... ?. What I really don't understand is the "negative tests" criteria. It seems like any asymptomatic player who tests negative a sufficient number of times should be eligible to return to play if the focus is on safety - regardless of vaccination status. Are they basically not trusting the tests? I have heard of false negatives, but isn't that why they repeat them? Edited December 22, 2021 by HalftimeAdjustment Corrected last sentence 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No, it's not. It is not so contagious that "virtually everyone is positive in every locker room right now if a single guy is positive." The guys in locker rooms right now are supposed to be masked, distanced when unmasked to eat, and having virtual meetings. Actually, I do. I understand how Ro is calculated, what the current study in Japan says about it for Omicron, what UK is seeing, and what Cornell (which tested every one of its 30,000 students weekly until winter break) saw. You? But way to divorce what I said from its context, which was your unsupported assertion that Omicron is so contagious "virtually everyone is positive in every locker room right now if a single guy is positive". If the NFL tested every guy in every locker room over the next month, everyone will test positive at some point. That is why they changed the rules. You can't stop this variant from spreading. Thankfully most healthy young people will have little problem with the virus. 213 players tested positive in last week. 200 + more probably have it. That means everyone will have it by the end of the season. Not even debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 It would be smashing to have an Aaron Rogers v Cole Beasley Super Bowl. That would light up the medical/political opinions across America and abroad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: It's only the 2nd most contagious virus on the planet https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/omicron-variant-contagious-rate-university-hospitals-doctor/95-6c4cd1a7-a1f3-428a-9192-e50b7afd3cb5 I think there's a certain degree of alarmism going on. For example, there were people suggesting that Delta variant was more infectious than Chicken pox, I think when the dust settled a little bit, it didn't turn out that way. But either way, assuming that distancing and masking are being observed, even measles wouldn't spread to every single person in an NFL locker room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think there's a certain degree of alarmism going on. For example, there were people suggesting that Delta variant was more infectious than Chicken pox, I think when the dust settled a little bit, it didn't turn out that way. But either way, assuming that distancing and masking are being observed, even measles wouldn't spread to every single person in an NFL locker room. 213 positives in the last week. Probably double that if you throw in all the positives that went untested. By seasons end everyone will test positive or have it but not get tested. That is why they changed the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I've never had a lot of interest in "woulda, coulda, shoulda." If Beasley was not vaccinated, he's out of the game, pure and simple - as per league policy. If he was vaccinated he's got a chance. Beasley has had a somewhat reduced role in the offense this season. McKenzie is the obvious option to serve as a slot receiver. McKenzie may not be as crafty as Beasley, but he has more potential to bust a big play. Buffalo still has lots of weapons, even with both Sanders and Beasley out. If Buffalo loses versus New England, the lack of receiving weapons won't be the primary reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think there's a certain degree of alarmism going on. For example, there were people suggesting that Delta variant was more infectious than Chicken pox, I think when the dust settled a little bit, it didn't turn out that way. But either way, assuming that distancing and masking are being observed, even measles wouldn't spread to every single person in an NFL locker room. There is ALWAYS alarmism in the media with regards to this topic. However, all preliminary data indicates that this variant can out-spread Delta and there appears to be widespread agreement on that subject from scientific and public health authorities, not just from news reports. This appears to be based both on immune escape and pure transmissibility factors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Evian said: If the NFL tested every guy in every locker room over the next month, everyone will test positive at some point. That is why they changed the rules. That was not your statement. You said "virtually everyone is positive in every locker room right now if a single guy is positive". In a masked and distanced locker room holding virtual meetings - Baloney. As far as "can't stop this variant from spreading, horseradish - even if it's the "second most contagious virus on the planet", the most contagious virus on the planet, Measles, was able to be curtailed by public health measures before vaccines. 15 minutes ago, Evian said: 213 players tested positive in last week. 200 + more probably have it. That means everyone will have it by the end of the season. Not even debatable. It's probably true that all the players will have it by the end of the season, but there's a "cause and effect" going on here. The NFL has made a decision that it's no longer going to monitor all players for infection, therefore unless the NFL has marvelous data they aren't sharing with the world about the lack of contagiousness of infected, asymptomatic vaccinated players (and can count on symptoms to be accurately self-reported), widespread infection is likely to occur, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, CNYfan said: It would be smashing to have an Aaron Rogers v Cole Beasley Super Bowl. That would light up the medical/political opinions across America and abroad At least Beasley didn’t lie about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: There is ALWAYS alarmism in the media with regards to this topic. However, all preliminary data indicates that this variant can out-spread Delta and there appears to be widespread agreement on that subject from scientific and public health authorities, not just from news reports. This appears to be based both on immune escape and pure transmissibility factors. No question it's more contagious than Delta. It's out-competing Delta very effectively (though Delta is still out there). That doesn't mean the Doctor's estimated Ro in the article to which I was responding (from @Sheneneh Jenkins) is correct or that it's the "second most contagious virus on the planet". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) Please, Beasley do what all Americans have to do. Play by the rules set forth by your employer or just quit. Stop whining. I am so sick of his acting out and again making this about him and not the team when his choices hurt the team and he knew that could be the case going into the season. I hope McKenzie lights it up in his place. Edited December 22, 2021 by Locomark 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No question it's more contagious than Delta. It's out-competing Delta very effectively (though Delta is still out there). That doesn't mean the estimated Ro in the article to which I was responding is correct or that it's the "second most contagious virus on the planet". Good point. The value of 15 represented one speaker's opinion and not any kind of established fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That was not your statement. You said "virtually everyone is positive in every locker room right now if a single guy is positive". In a masked and distanced locker room holding virtual meetings - Baloney. As far as "can't stop this variant from spreading, horseradish - even if it's the "second most contagious virus on the planet", the most contagious virus on the planet, Measles, was able to be curtailed by public health measures before vaccines. It's probably true that all the players will have it by the end of the season, but there's a "cause and effect" going on here. The NFL has made a decision that it's no longer going to monitor all players for infection, therefore unless the NFL has marvelous data they aren't sharing with the world about the lack of contagiousness of infected, asymptomatic vaccinated players (and can count on symptoms to be accurately self-reported), widespread infection is likely to occur, yes. Sent you an interesting article about how Covid really spreads. Don’t want issues with posting it here. Interesting read if you have the time… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Murdock Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Given who the Bills have lost, and who the Pats have lost (At this time 10:36am EST) I's rather be in the Bills position by far. McKenzie, Davis and Kumerow, can more than adequately provide what Beasley provides. and much more. Bills need to get their O-Line back however . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: What I really don't understand is the "negative tests" criteria. It seems like any asymptomatic player who tests negative a sufficient number of times should be eligible to return to play if the focus is on safety - regardless of vaccination status. The NFL purposefully designed the protocols in the first place to punish players for not being vaccinated, in the hopes that it would encourage more players to get vaccinated. The design worked. I know of several players that got the vaccine just in the interest of being available for their team, Emmanuel Sanders being one. The protocols were not designed with the goal of 100% effectiveness or safety. They were designed to minimize the number of unvaccinated players in NFL locker rooms and on that goal they succeeded. Edited December 22, 2021 by HappyDays 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Locomark said: Please, Beasley do what all Americans have to do. Play by the rules set forth by your employer or just quit. Stop whining. he is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Evian said: If the NFL tested every guy in every locker room over the next month, everyone will test positive at some point. That is why they changed the rules. You can't stop this variant from spreading. Thankfully most healthy young people will have little problem with the virus. 213 players tested positive in last week. 200 + more probably have it. That means everyone will have it by the end of the season. Not even debatable. 100% chance that statement is wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Locomark said: Please, Beasley do what all Americans have to do. Play by the rules set forth by your employer or just quit. Stop whining. He is playing by the rules So just stop whining is all you want 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I don’t think he was 100% anyway, or he’s just lost a step in general. At any rate, I’m sure he’ll be fine. Either way hopefully this thing doesn’t completely blow up by the weekend and we’re starting Davis Webb and Christian Wade in Foxboro or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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