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1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Belichick's greatest attribute is putting together a solid staff. Goes all the way back to Weis and Crennel. After they left...how long did the Pats miss the Super Bowl for? He's had excellent people under him that do their job extremely well, get promoted to HC, fail and come crawling back to what they do best. Had McDaniels taken that Indy job years ago they would have missed out again.

 

BB has made poor decision after poor decision in games for decades and has been bailed out by Tom Brady and by star players that took a lesser deal to play with Tom Brady. Belichick was in the right place at the right time. He was an all time great defensive coordinator though.

Lol he's an all time GREAT COACH

17 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Yes, the popular group think is that Billy is a genius that has unparalleled knowledge of offense, defense and special teams. Knower of all. Sees everything. Rather omnipotent...

 

I believe he gets far too much credit. This isn't too say he's a terrible coach. Same guy that knows everything and still can't draft well. He has never done well without having a super strong staff behind him. Guys that are great at their job.

 

And not everyone is a good head coach. I said as much in my post. We see it year in and year out with all these amazing coordinators from every coaching tree. Remember when Matt Nagy was the next big thing? Adam Gase? Anthony Lynn perhaps? 

 

He's a fortunate man, who landed in a great spot.

And truthfully your not qualified nor am I to make these assessments

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43 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Some great coordinators make bad coaches.  McDaniels is a great OC with a great system.  Do you think that Frazier is just a meh coordinator?  I don't.  He failed as a head coach.


i don’t disagree with this. 
 

I actually think you see new HC’s now compensating for this a bit— like McVay basically being a glorified OC and handing over the defense to Wade

Phillips when he was hired. 

31 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Yes, the popular group think is that Billy is a genius that has unparalleled knowledge of offense, defense and special teams. Knower of all. Sees everything. Rather omnipotent...

 

I believe he gets far too much credit. This isn't too say he's a terrible coach. Same guy that knows everything and still can't draft well. He has never done well without having a super strong staff behind him. Guys that are great at their job.

 

And not everyone is a good head coach. I said as much in my post. We see it year in and year out with all these amazing coordinators from every coaching tree. Remember when Matt Nagy was the next big thing? Adam Gase? Anthony Lynn perhaps? 

 

He's a fortunate man, who landed in a great spot.


i need to chew on this. It’s definitely an interesting take! 

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My early week take: 

 

I hate the Pats. It's 20 years and now this...

 

They are good, and yep, they are a problem.

 

Bills are capable of being better than Pats. Not sure I like the match up. That being said, I think we are a better team, and no not drastically better coaches, but I'd give the Pats the coaching nod.

 

Bills won't look past this game. Neither will Pats, but a guy like Mac may not be ready for this. It will be wild and hard fought. The Kool aid will be flowing for Pats and Mac this week, Bills are no schlubs, and well coached or not that's a lot for a Rookie warm weather QB to take in. I think Mac may be due for a stinker.  I also think we may see this team 3 times.

 

Sure, Bills are a bit of wildfire. I think we will burn hot Monday night and give these golden boys a set back. 

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9 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

It's definitely going to be a tough game. I don't want to call it a must win but this is as close to a must win as you can get without it actually being one. McDermott likes to use the phrase "Defend Our Dirt" when playing at home. This week that is especially true. I don't want the Bills to have to go into NE needing a win to get the split.

Agree. As a Bills fan its hard for me to be confident about this game. Im hopeful but not confident the Bills get the win. The Patriots are playing at another level on both sides of the ball. Have arguably the beat coach in NFL history, and the Bills have been very inconsistent with there play. Hard to know what Bills team shows up?  I think we know what Patriot team shows up. If the Bills play well and execute they ahould win the game. Thats a big if though...

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2 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

My early week take: 

 

I hate the Pats. It's 20 years and now this...

 

They are good, and yep, they are a problem.

 

Bills are capable of being better than Pats. Not sure I like the match up. That being said, I think we are a better team, and no not drastically better coaches, but I'd give the Pats the coaching nod.

 

Bills won't look past this game. Neither will Pats, but a guy like Mac may not be ready for this. It will be wild and hard fought. The Kool aid will be flowing for Pats and Mac this week, well coached or not that's a lot to take in. I think Mac may be due for a stinker.  I also think may see this team 3 times.

 

Sure, Bills are a bit of wildfire. I think we will burn hot Monday night and give these golden boys a set back. 

 

Isn't this just awesome? I can't wait for this game. In my opinion, this is what we've been waiting for: serious games with serious implications against the Pats.

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Just now, CheshireCT said:

 

Isn't this just awesome? I can't wait for this game. In my opinion, this is what we've been waiting for: serious games with serious implications against the Pats.

 

That's a good perspective.

 

Personally, I was hoping to blow them out twice a year for eternity, while they ended up picking between 8-11 in the draft every year.

 

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2 hours ago, Jeffbigalls said:

 

You don't like him because he has been the co owner of the bills for 2 decades, greatest coach ever, the one responsible for all the pats success, all the fraud pats fans that screamed Brady are clueless. It has been and always will be belichick

Wrong! I don't like him because he's a fraud, and there are plenty of fans of other teams who feel the exact same way.

We've all seen the penalties given to the Patriots* throughout the years.

 

His success comes from cheating. Don't believe me? Name me one coach who was part of the Belichick coaching tree who has gone on to have success in the NFL as a head coach? You can't!

 

Because once you can no longer cheat, you can no longer win.

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11 minutes ago, CheshireCT said:

 

Isn't this just awesome? I can't wait for this game. In my opinion, this is what we've been waiting for: serious games with serious implications against the Pats.

 

If we can pull this off will be a huge pendulum swing back to us. 

 

Just remember Jones lost Iron Bowl in Auburn 2019. 

 

He ain't seen nothing yet. 

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27 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

If we can pull this off will be a huge pendulum swing back to us. 

 

Just remember Jones lost Iron Bowl in Auburn 2019. 

 

He ain't seen nothing yet. 

Lol 48-45 I don’t think that was on Jones for the loss lol.. talk about no D game lol

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36 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

If we can pull this off will be a huge pendulum swing back to us. 

 

Just remember Jones lost Iron Bowl in Auburn 2019. 

 

He ain't seen nothing yet. 

And Allen lost the Boise Auto Parts and Foot Massage Bowl back in 2017.  Who cares?

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Jones needs some adversity.

 

I think they've been down a score once in the games that are in their win column.  

 

Put that team in a position where they HAVE to throw. Get them down 2 scores or more, on the road, in a nationally televised game - and let's see if the talent meets the hype.

 

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Omg every time I turn on the NFLN they are talking about the Patriots.  

 

I left the room at 6:45 it was Mac Jones. 

 

Come back just now to them being "unstoppable" and it's film breakdown of them with Willie McGinest.  

 

 

 

Can't wait to beat the ***t out of them.  

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Just now, Big Blitz said:

Omg every time I turn on the NFLN they are talking about the Patriots.  

 

I left the room at 6:45 it was Mac Jones. 

 

Come back just now to them being "unstoppable" and it's film breakdown of them with Willie McGinest.  

 

 

 

Can't wait to beat the ***t out of them.  

 

ESPN just talked about Mac & the Pats for a good 10 minutes. The only mention of Buffalo was that the "Bills Mafia is on notice."  But the theme was 100% that the Bills had their year and the Pats are BACK.

 

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1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:


i don’t disagree with this. 
 

I actually think you see new HC’s now compensating for this a bit— like McVay basically being a glorified OC and handing over the defense to Wade

Phillips when he was hired. 


i need to chew on this. It’s definitely an interesting take! 

For me, when a team or any buisness has an overwhelming length of success it's often the upper most managemnet that gets all the credit. However as most know more times than not it's rhe middle management and employees (in this case the staff and players) that make the top dog shine. 

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