billsbackto81 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 6 hours ago, whorlnut said: If you are going to mention Moss, then you absolutely have to throw Singletary’s name in there too. Taylor is a great back no doubt but you have to think Moss and Motor would have to be more productive with that O line. Ours just blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Fan in San Diego said: Ed Oliver Oliver has been coming on strong as of late and would probably be more productive with a capable pass rusher helping out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 So much blame game crap after a loss that threads become unreadable. Better off looking forward to Thursday which is what I hope the players are busy doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 One gut wrenching blow out and everyone is a critic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 For a bust to be a bust, they must be drafted high and fail to meet expectations. So, later rounds can’t be busts. So, Edmunds - Bust Phillips - Bust Oliver - Bust Ford - Bust The reason why the Bills are in this spot is they don’t hit on rounds 1-3 (outside of Allen). You cannot be an elite team by failing to get elite play out of your 1st rounders. To Beane’s credit, he has found very good players in the later rounds. But all the players listed above would be on their 2nd team if not drafted to play for the Bills. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Sugar High JA17 said: Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft 2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today! Ah yes, Zay Jones. He's still in the league, but just barely. I remember the support he received HERE despite looking like crap and a busted draft choice. "He'll be just fine" they said. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Sugar High JA17 said: Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft 2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today! But , but it’s stupid to use a premium pick on a RB position you can find one in the later rounds , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 52 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: For a bust to be a bust, they must be drafted high and fail to meet expectations. So, later rounds can’t be busts. So, Edmunds - Bust Phillips - Bust Oliver - Bust Ford - Bust The reason why the Bills are in this spot is they don’t hit on rounds 1-3 (outside of Allen). You cannot be an elite team by failing to get elite play out of your 1st rounders. To Beane’s credit, he has found very good players in the later rounds. But all the players listed above would be on their 2nd team if not drafted to play for the Bills. Edmonds is a BUST , As far as Oliver goes I’m still in a wait and see mode , the other two should be bagging groceries at Walmart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Einstein said: I don’t judge a GM based only on their history of drafting busts. I also want to see if they can acquire elite talent. Beane has not been able to do that. He has acquired “good talent”, sometimes, but not elite (outside Allen). He has also made one of the worst trades for the Bills in the last 20 years, if not longer. He also sat on his hands while the OL was being mauled. . Beane acquired Diggs, that's elite talent. OL Beane re-signed Dawkins and Williams and drafted Brown and Doyle this year. I would not say that is sitting on his hands What's the trade? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 39 minutes ago, Putin said: But , but it’s stupid to use a premium pick on a RB position you can find one in the later rounds , Oh wow. Almost as bad as picking Epenesa over JK Dobbins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) I definitely consider Epenesa a potential bust. Everything about him from being undersized to being a square peg the team is trying to fit into a round hole, screams potential bust. He’s made some plays, but his career story has yet to be written. I’m just worried he might end up in the bust category from what I see. Edited November 23, 2021 by SirAndrew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) I'm going to say most of them besides JA and Gabe davis. Why? Because a lot of these guys have become long term projects and have not panned out within their contract terms initially (rookie deals) to be difference makers. If your going to maintain through the draft, they need to perform within a year or two of being drafted. Not 4 or 5. Edited November 23, 2021 by Sharky7337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Sugar High JA17 said: Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft 2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today! The Bills had a chance at Dalvin Cook I did not know this so he’s now officially one of the worst drafters in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 The question is not whether they are busts or not. It is about the return on investment. First and second day picks are premium slots where you need to find impact players. Yes Epenesa is getting snaps but he is not making any plays. He looks like a guy that will be out of the league in two years or will struggle to sign 1 yr contracts. Moss and Ford have occasional good moments but neither look like they are athletic enough to play in the NFL. "Red shirting" Basham as some on here suggested is insane. He's a second round pick. Those picks need to be competing with the starters for snaps from day one. Brown is a nice find. Oliver is ok. He's not an all-pro but he is a very capable starter at a position it takes time to develop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I definitely consider Epenesa a potential bust. Everything about him from being undersized to being a square peg the team is trying to fit into a round hole, screams potential bust. He’s made some plays, but his career story has yet to be written. I’m just worried he might end up in the bust category from what I see. AJ has talent but he just doesn’t fit what Leslie Frazier does he needs to be an edge rusher in a 3/4 put him in Pittsburgh he’d have 10 sacks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 8 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Link? Link? Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: There are discussions on here that Beane is a terrible drafter, can't judge talent, etc. I am not really inclined to believe this. I think he's a great GM and am happy to have him. That said, I was thinking about what players are truly busts under his tenure. I think they are: Cody Ford: though he had a better day yesterday, a high second round pick needs to be a starter every week, not objectively the worst lineman on the team at times. Harrison Phillips: I'm not sure how much that ACL tear did, but he's been awful. There are multiple videos of him being tossed like a ragdoll yesterday by the Colts' offensive line. Zack Moss: it's time to write Moss off. He might be a decent goal line back, but he's way too slow to do anything else. He's the running back version of Reggie Ragland. I don't want to include Epenesa or Oliver here because they HAVE contributed plenty already. Oliver in particular has come on this season; he's had about five sacks called back due to a penalty. My eye is on them, however. I don't include picks made after round 4 since those are often crapshoots. He's gotten good value in guys like Taron Johnson and Tyler Bass, though. Real answer: None. Yet. You have to either be cut or be given three years to try to achieve your potential. It takes that long to carefully judge. Knee-jerk decisions are wrong at a higher rate. Three years. After that you can legitimately be called a bust, though history shows that a few players can figure things out even after that. As for people who look headed towards being busts, Ford leads the list. Phillips is OK for a 3rd, more of a mild disappointment who may or may not get back to what he was becoming before the injury. RBs aren't judged by speed. It's more complicated than that. Moss is faster than A. J. Dillon, who so far appears to be a good back. Behind a better interior line, Moss might easily look a ton better. Ford is about it so far. He could still turn it around, but that's not the most likely outcome at this point. Edited November 23, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 47 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The Bills had a chance at Dalvin Cook I did not know this so he’s now officially one of the worst drafters in the league Beane was not here yet for that draft you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, MarkyMannn said: Beane was not here yet for that draft you know Only going on what the original poster stated I know he was here for the Jonathan Taylor and Najee Harris drafts and both players where taken just a few picks ahead of where the Bills drafted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Only going on what the original poster stated I know he was here for the Jonathan Taylor and Najee Harris drafts and both players where taken just a few picks ahead of where the Bills drafted I liked Najee, just our luck he was taken a few picks before ours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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