JerseyBills Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) He refuses to just get a quick 6 7 yards to the RB or TE real quick, always looking to push and get the intermediate routes and he's phenomenal but you have to also take these easy 5 10 yard passes. He killed so many drives because of this. D played phenomenal ST played phenomenal O played decent, but Allen's refusal to throw underneath quickly, when you're facing a ton of pressure is his Worse trait and I love him for it at the same time but today it lost us what should have been a 2 TD win. He killed multiple drives directly because of this against one of the worse teams in the game. This one was on 17. You people refuse to admit or admit this fatal flaw. I know I'm going to get flack. I love 17 . Just being real. Giving my opinion. Before you react, please watch footage of the all 22. Again, I'm a Bills and Allen fan til I'm in the ground! I'm just concerned his tendency to hold the ball is going to consistently hurt us. I wouldn't trade him for any other QB but I still worry about certain weaknesses in his game. I say it n get trashed. I don't want to boast and want be anonymous but I make a living off coaching football. This is exactly what I'm talking about... If ppl knew my resume it'd be way different and that's ridiculous. I respect many members on here for their football acumen . Was hoping I'd get the same respect Edit - 12/26/21 He finally took the RB underneath! Our O will be unstoppable if 17 keeps throwing like this in January!!!! We're Back! Edited December 27, 2021 by JerseyBills 4 2 1 13 2 4 2 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Got any specific examples to support this claim, champ? I like to learn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 No. He actually did take the underneath stuff today and there was minimal yac Beasely and Singletary combined for 15 catches - for 76 yards. Cole had 8 catches for 33 yards. How's that even possible???? 11 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 You’re clueless. Allen threw more underneath passes this game than ever before. at one point he had 11 straight completions for about 50 yds. 8 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) I thought he took those underneath passes more today than usual. Singletary caught 7 for 43, Beasley 8 for 33. Edited November 8, 2021 by Maybe Someday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Josh does need to settle for the smaller plays sometimes. However this was a total offensive side of the ball loss. From terrible blocking, to uninspired play calls, to average running, to drops and fumbles out of bounds. And of course, Joshs turnovers. Plenty of things need to change and Josh needs a lot more help. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) Is this is a real thread? If anything we over relied on our check downs today because we had no choice. 14 targets out of 47 pass attempts went to Moss, Singletary, or Sweeney. That's about 30%. Are you saying you want more than 1/3 of our passes to go to the least dynamic players on our offense? Every time Moss or Singletary or Sweeney caught the ball they were tackled almost instantly. We do not have a RB capable of accelerating and Sweeney is a huge drop off from Knox. We can't go 5-6 yards at a time all the way to the end zone. If we had a legitimate dynamic RB then yes that would be a more viable strategy. Edited November 8, 2021 by HappyDays 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: No. He actually did take the underneath stuff today and there was minimal yac Beasely and Singletary combined for 15 catches - for 76 yards. Cole had 8 catches for 33 yards. How's that even possible???? HE HOLDS THE BALL TOO LONG He has to hit them immediately, his holding onto the ball to much is becoming a problem. 2 2 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: No. He actually did take the underneath stuff today and there was minimal yac This is a really good point that's lost in the shuffle. Our guys get basically no YAC, with Diggs being the exception. It's frustrating to see Beasley never break a tackle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, HappyDays said: Is this is a real thread? If anything we over relied on our check downs today because we had no choice. 14 targets out 47 pass attempts went to Moss, Singletary, or Sweeney. That's almost 30%. Are you saying you want more than 1/3 of our passes to go to the least dynamic players on our offense? Every time Moss or Singletary or Sweeney caught the ball they were tackled almost instantly. We do not have a RB capable of accelerating and Sweeney is a huge drop off from Knox. We can't go 5-6 yards at a time all the way to the end zone. If we had a legitimate dynamic RB then yes that would be a more viable strategy. Dude he doesn't take the QUICK underneath He holds the ball 5 secs first. He Has to be more decesive on underneath routes. It's so plain to see! 1 minute ago, Bruffalo said: This is a really good point that's lost in the shuffle. Our guys get basically no YAC, with Diggs being the exception. It's frustrating to see Beasley never break a tackle. Refer to above tweet 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: HE HOLDS THE BALL TOO LONG He has to hit them immediately, his holding onto the ball to much is becoming a problem. You're saying instead of waiting for the play to develop he should immediately toss a check down pass on every down? Yeah that still won't work. Because Moss and Singletary take more than a second to turn around and accelerate and by that time the defense is already swarming them. I am all for Allen being more willing to take checkdowns but that can't be our whole offense. This loss has people going so crazy they are missing Trent Edwards. 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Dude he doesn't take the QUICK underneath He holds the ball 5 secs first. He Has to be more decesive on underneath routes. It's so plain to see! Refer to above tweet I think that's an exaggeration but let's not pretend that Daboll's scheme is designed around getting the ball out quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I think OP is referring to the quick slant or cross. Not a wr or rb screen or a throwing underneath on broken plays etc. it’s the quick take the snap and let it loose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: You’re clueless. Allen threw more underneath passes this game than ever before. at one point he had 11 straight completions for about 50 yds. Because he held the ball so long looking for deep or intermediate throws he has to get it underneath immediately. Holding the ball allows defenders to close in. He doesn't take what the D gives him alot more this year imo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Dude he doesn't take the QUICK underneath He holds the ball 5 secs first. He Has to be more decesive on underneath routes. It's so plain to see! Refer to above tweet Coaches didn't expect the oline to not hold up like that. Coaches didn't expect as much blitzing as they got. Allen failed to recognize some of those blitzes- check to the right protections and the right hot reads. The Coaches failed to see the oline needed help. I couldn't tell you who goes in the game with Sweeney if we want 2 TEs on the field or extra bodies to protect. We didn't take this team seriously. Edited November 8, 2021 by Big Blitz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: I think OP is referring to the quick slant or cross. Not a wr or rb screen or a throwing underneath on broken plays etc. it’s the quick take the snap and let it loose. THANK YOU!!!! Finally somebody understands. It's so obvious He needs 10 of these a game minimum. He usually has 2-5 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Coaches didn't expect the oline to not hold up like that. Coaches didn't expect as much blitzing as they got. Allen failed to recognize some of those blitzes- check to the right protections and the right hot reads. The Coaches failed to see the oline needed help. I couldn't tell you who goes in the game with Sweeney if we want 2 TEs on the field or extra bodies to protect. We didn't take this team seriously. Allen tries to throw the great,sexy play too often instead of the boring easy underneath stuff Edited November 8, 2021 by JerseyBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: Because he held the ball so long looking for deep or intermediate throws he has to get it underneath immediately. Holding the ball allows defenders to close in. He doesn't take what the D gives him alot more this year imo He is following his read progressions. If a play is designed to go to the RB in the flat he will get it to them fast. But we shouldn't be running a lot of those plays because - again - Moss and Singletary are slow and have no explosiveness. All that space you're seeing underneath is gifted to us by defenses because they know they have nothing to fear from our RBs. When Knox is back he will once again become our most viable check down option. Until then it is a win for the defense every time Moss or Singletary or Sweeney touch the ball. They are all below average football players. We aren't scoring TDs with that trio. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) Here’s a novel thought Josh was taking the underneath stuff for most of the day but the pass protection was so bad that they were on him practically whenever he took the hand off and they were taking away the underneath stuff do you think it could possibly also be that Edited November 8, 2021 by John from Riverside 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You're saying instead of waiting for the play to develop he should immediately toss a check down pass on every down? Yeah that still won't work. Because Moss and Singletary take more than a second to turn around and accelerate and by that time the defense is already swarming them. I am all for Allen being more willing to take checkdowns but that can't be our whole offense. This loss has people going so crazy they are missing Trent Edwards. This was a disgusting loss, and everyone, rightfully so, is pissed off about it. Yours truly included. BBFS is a real thing. Given another day or two, almost everyone will get past it and getting ready for the Jets game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: THANK YOU!!!! Finally somebody understands. It's so obvious He needs 10 of these a game minimum. He usually has 2-5 Allen tries to throw the great,sexy play too often instead of the boring easy underneath stuff Once again prove it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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