Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, TheBeaneBandit said: It isn't Vernon Butler either, that's for sure. Except that by the end of last season, he did. 5 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Any word on Zimmer? McDermott said Zimmer just had a "ding" that you get from football, or words to that effect. Nothing to keep him off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Dukestreetking said: Thanks for that Scuba. Exact thing I'm trying to convey. Even w all the amazing advances in surgery (I've had 3x ACLs) it's still there. Maybe one of our docs can clue us in re: successful surgery vs what I've termed Amorphous ACL Syndrome"...the kind of thing where "yeah, I'm good, but I keep getting the nagging nicks". ** Uhhh, I'm not a medical pro, nor claim any such expertise Cruciate ligaments are a strange thing. Didn't Thurman Thomas play his entire HOF career without one? On the other hand he wasn't usually trying to shove 2 - 300 lb men sideways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Except that by the end of last season, he did. Yes, just not effectively. Believe it or not, there's a good chance a better option could become available either as an older guy/ high salary cut situation or just a straight up numbers game. My 4 are Oliver/ Zimmer and Star/ Phillips and it's not very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 It is tough with Harry because he has one full healthy season (2018) we he showed a few flashes, a great start before injury (2019), and a bad season last year. Personally I think he is more of a depth player and fans like he because he's a fun good dude which causes a portion of the fanbase to inflate his true value. I would take a hard look at Jurrel Casey or Kwan Short if I were the Bills in place of Phillips. It is year four and besides injury issues he just hasn't shown enough to keep being worth the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.EvansHands Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, corta765 said: It is tough with Harry because he has one full healthy season (2018) we he showed a few flashes, a great start before injury (2019), and a bad season last year. Personally I think he is more of a depth player and fans like he because he's a fun good dude which causes a portion of the fanbase to inflate his true value. I would take a hard look at Jurrel Casey or Kwan Short if I were the Bills in place of Phillips. It is year four and besides injury issues he just hasn't shown enough to keep being worth the time. Agreed. You're not valuable at all if you can't play on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, L.EvansHands said: Agreed. You're not valuable at all if you can't play on Sunday. It sucks saying that too but the goal is a SB and I want the best lineup regardless of feelings or situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Cruciate ligaments are a strange thing. Didn't Thurman Thomas play his entire HOF career without one? On the other hand he wasn't usually trying to shove 2 - 300 lb men sideways. No, that was Hines Ward. Thurman tore his left ACL in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Doc said: No, that was Hines Ward. Thurman tore his left ACL in college. OK, according to this it was 85% torn https://sportsnaut.com/bills-legend-thurman-thomas-played-entire-career-with-torn-acl/ And yes, he played his entire HOF career with an 85% torn ACL 15 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Yes, just not effectively. Believe it or not, there's a good chance a better option could become available either as an older guy/ high salary cut situation or just a straight up numbers game. My 4 are Oliver/ Zimmer and Star/ Phillips and it's not very close. I'm not arguing that a better option *could* become available, but I don't think you cut Butler and just assume you're gonna find someone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 6 hours ago, L.EvansHands said: Agreed. You're not valuable at all if you can't play on Sunday. I mean he's played in 2/3 of the years he's been here and we don't know how long he might be out now, we've still got 3 weeks until the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, according to this it was 85% torn https://sportsnaut.com/bills-legend-thurman-thomas-played-entire-career-with-torn-acl/ And yes, he played his entire HOF career with an 85% torn ACL Good find. So torn but not without. I can see playing with a torn one because even 15% of it intact will provide knee stability, but Ward playing without one is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 I really like Harry, this injury bums me out to no end. I have zero faith in Butler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 This really sucks for HH, if we do IR him id look at Casey rather than short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/22/2021 at 3:47 PM, YoloinOhio said: It's bound to happen to somebody. Better him than Oliver or Edmunds. It sucks because he had the game of his career against Baltimore and I was really excited to see what he could do this season. Defensive tackles tend to need more development. Shucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 So he lucks into an injury settlement instead of getting cut? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 What am I missing here? Last report I heard was that it wasn’t viewed as a serious injury. Is there another report saying otherwise? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Magox said: What am I missing here? Last report I heard was that it wasn’t viewed as a serious injury. Is there another report saying otherwise? No, there isn't -- just a lot of wild speculation on a message board. Go figure. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, eball said: No, there isn't -- just a lot of wild speculation on a message board. Go figure. The reporting on it didn't help much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 40 minutes ago, Magox said: What am I missing here? Last report I heard was that it wasn’t viewed as a serious injury. Is there another report saying otherwise? No, I think it’s just uncertain how long he will be out. Could go into regular season. Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Doc said: Good find. So torn but not without. I can see playing with a torn one because even 15% of it intact will provide knee stability, but Ward playing without one is amazing. I wonder if that isn't just the way some people's knees are structured? I knew a stunt man who claimed to have no ACL, and I never really believed him. I've snapped my left ACL twice (skiing), and while I could carefully walk on it before the repair, there is no way in hell I could have run on it. My lower leg would sort of roll out from under my upper leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Magox said: What am I missing here? Last report I heard was that it wasn’t viewed as a serious injury. Is there another report saying otherwise? I read somewhere he had a hook on his foot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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