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I’m as big a Trump hater as anyone, but you can’t be serious here…. Trump, for all his flaws, would have evacuated people before military and I doubt it would ever have gotten to that.  Trump is many,

SCBills
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So we’ve been told today that:   Our President hasn’t spoken to any other world leaders since the fall of Kabul.     We can’t guarantee that we’ll get every American out.     A

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So you’re saying that my friends, who are plumbers, electricians, HVAC, hard working blue collar guys from NJ are all scammers? You’re saying that they didn’t perform that work?

 

The cult is strong around here.

 

Trump's declared bankruptcy several times.  Probably was from that.

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50 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don’t recall if you’re the poster who first gave the “Trump involved in keeping the Bills in Buffalo” but I love this story.  Thanks. 

Maybe next time, choose the voice that can claim English as his/her native tongue and have that person type your response.  Don’t always listen to the loudest, they may be speaking gibberish.  

So you’ve heard this fabrication before too?

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7 minutes ago, Governor said:

What union?

 

That allowed Trump to leak it to the unions and the unions to convince Pegula to buy. 

 

 

Nobody knows which one specifically.  Could be several.  He has ties to several in that area.  It was reported that they reached out to him to get him to invest with them, before he upped the ante.   

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9 minutes ago, Frat-Train said:

Nobody knows which one specifically.  Could be several.  He has ties to several in that area.  It was reported that they reached out to him to get him to invest with them, before he upped the ante.   

So, what you’re saying is that Trump had connections with “the unions” and purposely made a lowball offer with an agreement in place with Pegula to slightly come over the top of that offer, to secure a victory for Pegula, to keep Bon Jovi out of the bid war?

 

Is that what you’re claiming?

 

So, Trump just did it as a favor to Terry? He didn’t actually want the team.

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3 minutes ago, Governor said:

So, what you’re saying is that Trump had connections with “the unions” and purposely made a lowball offer with an agreement in place with Pegula to slightly come over the top of that offer, to secure a victory for Pegula, to keep Bon Jovi out of the bid war?

 

Is that what you’re claiming?

 

So, Trump just did it as a favor to Jim and those he was partnered with, that asked for his help? He didn’t actually want the team.

In so many words, yes.  

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5 minutes ago, Frat-Train said:

In so many words, yes.  

And what did Terry give Trump in this exchange?

 

OH! So you’re saying that the sale of the Bills was Jim’s decision because they became friends and met each other on Fox News on various occasions?

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20 minutes ago, Frat-Train said:

In so many words, yes.  

So it kinda went down like this:

 

Jim and his wife were in the dressing room, along with Trump, eagerly awaiting their introduction to the Neil Cavuto show, and Jim leaned over to Trump and said “Hey, can you get this Bon Jovi guy out of the equation” and then Trump said “ sure, I’ll have “my unions” take care of it?”

 

THEN Jim said “I need you to do a little more than that.” “I need you to have Michael Cohen move some money around and make it look like you have 1 billion dollars liquid and then place a lowball bid so my friend Terry can come over the top and buy the team.”

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3 hours ago, Governor said:

Pegula came in and only outbid him by a tiny bit. Trump came in at like 1 billion. Pegula came in at like 1.2 billion.

So you’re saying that my friends, who are plumbers, electricians, HVAC, hard working blue collar guys from NJ are all scammers? You’re saying that they didn’t perform that work?

 

The cult is strong around here.

That’s not at all what happened. That’s quite a conspiracy you have there.

 

Follow the timeline, media reports, and then watch Michael Cohen testify to Congress, and you’ll see that you’re totally delusional.

 

Where on earth did you get that nonsense?

All I’m saying is your only as good as your word. And you lie constantly.

 Besides I’ve heard stories about contractors in NJ. Not exactly a haven for honest people.

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3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Trump's declared bankruptcy several times.  Probably was from that.

Trump didn't declare personal bankruptcy.  But corporations where he was the majority shareholder and CEO did.  That's how he protected his personal assets, paid himself a nice salary along the way, and laid off all the costs and consequences for the losses to minority shareholders and creditors. 

 

But does any of this have anything to do with Afghanistan? 

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Intelligence of ISIS-K attack now "much firmer," says UK armed forces minister

 

“There is now very, very credible reporting of an imminent attack, and hence why the Foreign Office advice was changed last night, that people should not come to Kabul Airport, they should move to a safe place and await further instructions,” he told BBC Radio.

 

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-news-taliban-refugees-08-26-21-intl/h_f1f12cf01f715ab989c1439ad4666a62

 

The fatal mistake was pulling out most US troops, closing bases and air support before evacuation complete. They counted on the Afghan military but without US air support and logistics they gave up.

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I am ashamed of our country and our Allies.  We have Americans and citizens of our Allies in country, and we are telling them we cannot react to a threat from Isis?  We are caving in to the Taliban and getting out by the deadline because they say so?  Nonsense.  Put troops in there right now, get everyone out, and if the Taliban or Isis threaten or harm one hair on the head of one of our citizens you wipe them out.

 

I understand wanting to get the troop presence out.  I vehemently disagree with that policy, but I see the point being made.  There is no excuse whatsoever to leave people behind because you're scared.  What the hell happened to America being America?

 

 

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Was just listening to SVP at work who was also a well decorated ex marine with three kids active in the navy who was talking about a conversation with a two star general buddy of his still Active. 
 

Says top to bottom the entire military including the brass considers Biden a total mess, a joke, train wreck and puppet. 
 

Says the withdrawal has been a politically directed disaster.  They actually surged troops to the highest level in years after destabilizing the entire region. 
 

apparently there are American casualties being covered up too. 

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2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Was just listening to SVP at work who was also a well decorated ex marine with three kids active in the navy who was talking about a conversation with a two star general buddy of his still Active. 
 

Says top to bottom the entire military including the brass considers Biden a total mess, a joke, train wreck and puppet. 
 

Says the withdrawal has been a politically directed disaster.  They actually surged troops to the highest level in years after destabilizing the entire region. 

Now they are saying that 3 US troops were injured, status unknown.

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50 minutes ago, Governor said:

It’s still a perfect withdrawal. Pretty amazing actually.

 

What's amazing is you considering this as perfect.  You one of the few of the nearly 8,000,000,000 people in the world that feels that way.  You are truly unique I will say that.

 

Again you never answered this the last time.  What makes it perfect?  What would you consider an imperfect withdrawal.  

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Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

What's amazing is you considering this as perfect.  You one of the few of the nearly 8,000,000,000 people in the world that feels that way.  You are truly unique I will say that.

 

Again you never answered this the last time.  What makes it perfect?  What would you consider an imperfect withdrawal.  

An imperfect withdrawal would be 100 dead American soldiers.

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1 minute ago, Governor said:

An imperfect withdrawal would be 100 dead American soldiers.

 

100?  Where did that number come from?  So 75 dead American soldiers would still be perfect?  How about 82?  67?  

 

What about the billions of dollars of US military hardware now in the hands of the Taliban?  Is that perfect?  

 

You have a very warped sense of perfection.  

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2 minutes ago, Governor said:

An imperfect withdrawal would be 100 dead American soldiers.

 

 

Geezus Chr!st I've asked before but how do you ignore someone here?  Disgusting

 

And I will not pile on to what is a tragedy affecting people's lives with the politics, but this is just disgusting

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2 minutes ago, OrangeBills said:

 

 

Geezus Chr!st I've asked before but how do you ignore someone here?  Disgusting

 

And I will not pile on to what is a tragedy affecting people's lives with the politics, but this is just disgusting

More than 50 wouldn’t be good. Less than 50 and the history books and military would view it as a successful withdrawal operation from a 20 year war.

 

Why would anyone expect 0 casualties and 0 injuries during war? That doesn’t make any sense.

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More than 50 wouldn’t be good. Less than 50 and the history books and military would view it as a successful withdrawal operation from a 20 year war.

 

Why would anyone expect 0 casualties and 0 injuries during war? That doesn’t make any sense.

Because all this was completely avoidable if we had anyone capable of planning and executing a credible withdrawal plan for civilian and military personnel.  But Biden F'ed it all up.  That's what happened.

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Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

Because all this was completely avoidable if we had anyone capable of planning and executing a credible withdrawal plan for civilian and military personnel.  But Biden F'ed it all up.  That's what happened.

Do we want to end the war or not?

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