The foundation under Dr. Fauci is starting to crack...

[Irv]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

What did he do?

 

Go back living under the rock.  Geez.  Where have you been?  What a mess.  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

Go back living under the rock.  Geez.  Where have you been?  What a mess.  

So who told you to be upset about Fauci?

 

Trump?

Rand?

Marge?

Fox?

DR?

[B-Man]

 

 

 

The vaccine trials were designed NOT to show the vaccines didn’t prevent infection or spread, but he spoke as if they did.

 

He ignored harm caused by locking down people - delayed cancer screenings, untreated diabetes, un-filled prescriptions, mental health (suicides), etc.

(2/4)

 

He ignored and still ignores all side effects of the novel mRNA vaccines.

 

The policies he advanced never properly acknowledged that the elderly had exponentially more risk than children.

 

He cared not about the stunted social and educational development of children.

(3/4)

 

 

He downplayed early treatments and promoted late stage expensive pharmaceuticals while ignoring their side effects.

 

Fauci isn’t science, he’s a snake oil salesman trying to quietly ride his wagon out of town before the people hold him accountable for his fraud.

 

(4/4)

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

The vaccine trials were designed NOT to show the vaccines didn’t prevent infection or spread, but he spoke as if they did.

 

He ignored harm caused by locking down people - delayed cancer screenings, untreated diabetes, un-filled prescriptions, mental health (suicides), etc.

(2/4)

 

He ignored and still ignores all side effects of the novel mRNA vaccines.

 

The policies he advanced never properly acknowledged that the elderly had exponentially more risk than children.

 

He cared not about the stunted social and educational development of children.

(3/4)

 

 

He downplayed early treatments and promoted late stage expensive pharmaceuticals while ignoring their side effects.

 

Fauci isn’t science, he’s a snake oil salesman trying to quietly ride his wagon out of town before the people hold him accountable for his fraud.

 

(4/4)

 

Yep if you want a very simple exposure to his bs brand of science, simply look at ocea definitions of masks and PPE vs his own contrived standards. 
 

The only thing we will probably never truly understand is; is he just an incompetent lifelong bureaucrat that was covering his tracks or a corrupt bureaucrat that was willfully advancing his own agenda at the expense of the public.  

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Yep if you want a very simple exposure to his bs brand of science, simply look at ocea definitions of masks and PPE vs his own contrived standards. 
 

The only thing we will probably never truly understand is; is he just an incompetent lifelong bureaucrat that was covering his tracks or a corrupt bureaucrat that was willfully advancing his own agenda at the expense of the public.  

It will just go away…

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

17 hours ago, Tiberius said:

What is disingenuous? 

 

I would not be opposed; 

 

What is it you think they will find? 

I felt it was disingenuous to not answer the question about congressional inquiries into the origin of COVID, the original point Rand Paul was making.  You answered here, so I withdraw the commentary. 

 

As for what they would find, it depends on the approach. If they continue down the path we currently seem to be following, nothing will come of it.  Congressional leaders seem to be very tepid in their approach to this investigation, with lots of yelling about find answers to a virus that started in China and killed a million people here, but not much in the way of televised hearings and the like.  It's really pretty amazing how little is being made of this given the devastation it visited upon the world. 

 

In the alternative, if they follow the precedent of Clinton emails, Russiagate, Ukraine and 1/6...maybe we get somewhere.  There needs to be a focus on accountability, what high ranking officials like Fauci knew or should have known, including seeking out whistleblowers, and taking a very deep dive into the seemingly incestuous relationship between the Chinese in US governments in this regard.  Fauci under oath is a good start, coupled with a review of all correspondence and information from CDC and NIAID up to and through the lockdown.  

 

There's no downside. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I felt it was disingenuous to not answer the question about congressional inquiries into the origin of COVID, the original point Rand Paul was making.  You answered here, so I withdraw the commentary. 

 

As for what they would find, it depends on the approach. If they continue down the path we currently seem to be following, nothing will come of it.  Congressional leaders seem to be very tepid in their approach to this investigation, with lots of yelling about find answers to a virus that started in China and killed a million people here, but not much in the way of televised hearings and the like.  It's really pretty amazing how little is being made of this given the devastation it visited upon the world. 

 

In the alternative, if they follow the precedent of Clinton emails, Russiagate, Ukraine and 1/6...maybe we get somewhere.  There needs to be a focus on accountability, what high ranking officials like Fauci knew or should have known, including seeking out whistleblowers, and taking a very deep dive into the seemingly incestuous relationship between the Chinese in US governments in this regard.  Fauci under oath is a good start, coupled with a review of all correspondence and information from CDC and NIAID up to and through the lockdown.  

 

There's no downside. 

 

 

Why do you want politicians investigating the virus? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Why do you want politicians investigating the virus? 

You said yesterday you weren't opposed to it, what change prompted this question from you? 

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You said yesterday you weren't opposed to it, what change prompted this question from you? 

 

 

What change, asking why you are so into politicians looking a virus? 

 

You brought it up. What is it you expect to find? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What change, asking why you are so into politicians looking a virus? 

 

You brought it up. What is it you expect to find? 

I already explained that. 

 

You're getting yourself tuned around here.  Either you're opposed to the investigation, or for the investigation, or don't care either way.   Yesterday, you said you were unopposed to politicians investigating, which seems to imply you aren't opposed to it, and don't fall into the category who doesn't care.  

 

Once you get a handle on what you think, let me know.  Remember, I can't hear all the voices in your head. 

[Doc]

Yup.  I laughed at any of the idiots who blamed Trump for the Wuhan virus.  I was always saying it was going to be bad no matter who was in office, if not worse under a Dem.

[BillsFanNC]

This is a good synopsis of US and Wuhan collaboration on GOF research with bat coronaviruses.  One of the biggest red flags that is often ignored in media coverage is that they were working with these chimeric viruses at BSL2 in China.  All my work over the years on viruses like influenza and RSV have been at BSL-2 with appropriate strains that were classified at that safety level.  To work on genetically engineered and highly virulent coronaviruses at BSL2 is unconscionable.  But I won't hold my breath waiting for China to ever be forthcoming about any of this, and that's what we will need to get the full story.

 

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/29/1027290/gain-of-function-risky-bat-virus-engineering-links-america-to-wuhan/

 

Unnoticed by most, however, was a key difference that significantly shifted the risk calculation. The Chinese work was carried out at biosafety level 2 (BSL-2), a much lower tier than Baric’s BSL-3+.

 

What caused the covid-19 pandemic remains uncertain, and Shi says her lab never encountered the SARS-CoV-2 virus before the Wuhan outbreak. But now that US officials have said the possibility of a lab accident needs to be investigated, the spotlight has fallen on American funding of the Wuhan lab’s less safe research. Today a chorus of scientists, including Baric, are coming forward to say this was a misstep. Even if there is no link to covid-19, allowing work on potentially dangerous bat viruses at BSL-2 is “an actual scandal,” says Michael Lin, a bioengineer at Stanford University. 

......

The CDC recognizes four levels of biosafety and recommends which pathogens should be studied at which level. Biosafety level 1 is for nonhazardous organisms and requires virtually no precautions: wear a lab coat and gloves as needed. BSL-2 is for moderately hazardous pathogens that are already endemic in the area, and relatively mild interventions are indicated: close the door, wear eye protection, dispose of waste materials in an autoclave. BSL-3 is where things get serious. It’s for pathogens that can cause serious disease through respiratory transmission, such as influenza and SARS, and the associated protocols include multiple barriers to escape. Labs are walled off by two sets of self-closing, locking doors; air is filtered; personnel use full PPE and N95 masks and are under medical surveillance. BSL-4 is for the baddest of the baddies, such as Ebola and Marburg: full moon suits and dedicated air systems are added to the arsenal.

[BillStime]

17 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

This is a good synopsis of US and Wuhan collaboration on GOF research with bat coronaviruses.  One of the biggest red flags that is often ignored in media coverage is that they were working with these chimeric viruses at BSL2 in China.  All my work over the years on viruses like influenza and RSV have been at BSL-2 with appropriate strains that were classified at that safety level.  To work on genetically engineered and highly virulent coronaviruses at BSL2 is unconscionable.  But I won't hold my breath waiting for China to ever be forthcoming about any of this, and that's what we will need to get the full story.

 

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/29/1027290/gain-of-function-risky-bat-virus-engineering-links-america-to-wuhan/

 

Unnoticed by most, however, was a key difference that significantly shifted the risk calculation. The Chinese work was carried out at biosafety level 2 (BSL-2), a much lower tier than Baric’s BSL-3+.

 

What caused the covid-19 pandemic remains uncertain, and Shi says her lab never encountered the SARS-CoV-2 virus before the Wuhan outbreak. But now that US officials have said the possibility of a lab accident needs to be investigated, the spotlight has fallen on American funding of the Wuhan lab’s less safe research. Today a chorus of scientists, including Baric, are coming forward to say this was a misstep. Even if there is no link to covid-19, allowing work on potentially dangerous bat viruses at BSL-2 is “an actual scandal,” says Michael Lin, a bioengineer at Stanford University. 

......

The CDC recognizes four levels of biosafety and recommends which pathogens should be studied at which level. Biosafety level 1 is for nonhazardous organisms and requires virtually no precautions: wear a lab coat and gloves as needed. BSL-2 is for moderately hazardous pathogens that are already endemic in the area, and relatively mild interventions are indicated: close the door, wear eye protection, dispose of waste materials in an autoclave. BSL-3 is where things get serious. It’s for pathogens that can cause serious disease through respiratory transmission, such as influenza and SARS, and the associated protocols include multiple barriers to escape. Labs are walled off by two sets of self-closing, locking doors; air is filtered; personnel use full PPE and N95 masks and are under medical surveillance. BSL-4 is for the baddest of the baddies, such as Ebola and Marburg: full moon suits and dedicated air systems are added to the arsenal.

 

Things didn’t pan out in Michigan, eh?

 

On to the next fake news story?

[Doc]

2 hours ago, DRsGhost said:

This is a good synopsis of US and Wuhan collaboration on GOF research with bat coronaviruses.  One of the biggest red flags that is often ignored in media coverage is that they were working with these chimeric viruses at BSL2 in China.  All my work over the years on viruses like influenza and RSV have been at BSL-2 with appropriate strains that were classified at that safety level.  To work on genetically engineered and highly virulent coronaviruses at BSL2 is unconscionable.  But I won't hold my breath waiting for China to ever be forthcoming about any of this, and that's what we will need to get the full story.

 

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/29/1027290/gain-of-function-risky-bat-virus-engineering-links-america-to-wuhan/

 

Unnoticed by most, however, was a key difference that significantly shifted the risk calculation. The Chinese work was carried out at biosafety level 2 (BSL-2), a much lower tier than Baric’s BSL-3+.

 

What caused the covid-19 pandemic remains uncertain, and Shi says her lab never encountered the SARS-CoV-2 virus before the Wuhan outbreak. But now that US officials have said the possibility of a lab accident needs to be investigated, the spotlight has fallen on American funding of the Wuhan lab’s less safe research. Today a chorus of scientists, including Baric, are coming forward to say this was a misstep. Even if there is no link to covid-19, allowing work on potentially dangerous bat viruses at BSL-2 is “an actual scandal,” says Michael Lin, a bioengineer at Stanford University. 

......

The CDC recognizes four levels of biosafety and recommends which pathogens should be studied at which level. Biosafety level 1 is for nonhazardous organisms and requires virtually no precautions: wear a lab coat and gloves as needed. BSL-2 is for moderately hazardous pathogens that are already endemic in the area, and relatively mild interventions are indicated: close the door, wear eye protection, dispose of waste materials in an autoclave. BSL-3 is where things get serious. It’s for pathogens that can cause serious disease through respiratory transmission, such as influenza and SARS, and the associated protocols include multiple barriers to escape. Labs are walled off by two sets of self-closing, locking doors; air is filtered; personnel use full PPE and N95 masks and are under medical surveillance. BSL-4 is for the baddest of the baddies, such as Ebola and Marburg: full moon suits and dedicated air systems are added to the arsenal.

 

No, it started in some unknown animal they still haven't and never will identify.  Meanwhile the local lab has it in abundance, but it's a conspiracy theory to think it came from there.

 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I already explained that. 

 

 

What was it again? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What was it again? 

I just remember something about nothing is Biden’s fault. 

[Doc]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I just remember something about nothing is Biden’s fault. 

And beyond that silliness, everything is great.

[Tiberius]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I just remember something about nothing is Biden’s fault. 

What does that have to do with an investigation you are screaming about over a virus? 

 

Maybe they can subpoena the virus! 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

What does that have to do with an investigation you are screaming about over a virus? 

 

Maybe they can subpoena the virus! 

 

I’m all for a good “gotcha”, Tibs, and I’m happy to acknowledge when I’ve been got. 
 

You already indicated a Congressional review wouldn’t be objectionable to you, but now it’s like you forgot you that. 
 

If you’re auditioning for a spot in a commercial for people who’ve suffered memory loss from head trauma, you have me convinced.  Other than that, choose a side, Waffles.  
 

 

[Irv]

9 hours ago, BillStime said:

So who told you to be upset about Fauci?

 

Trump?

Rand?

Marge?

Fox?

DR?

 

You're delusion and ignorance is funny, yet sad.  Maybe all the body bags may have been a sign.  Not sure.  

[BillStime]

7 hours ago, Irv said:

 

You're delusion and ignorance is funny, yet sad.  Maybe all the body bags may have been a sign.  Not sure.  

But Trump ignored his security and intelligent briefings in 2019 because he was too busy watching Fox News, Tweeting, pounding McDonalds, traveling to his resorts on our dime and golfing non stop.

 

it was just going to “go away” - right Irv?

 

But sure - it’s Fauci’s fault. 
 

Your keepers LOVE your unwavering ignorance and sponsorship.

 

You are a mess

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No, it started in some unknown animal they still haven't and never will identify.  Meanwhile the local lab has it in abundance, but it's a conspiracy theory to think it came from there.

 

A pengulin flew into the cloaca of a turkey who sneezed into my chili 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

A pengulin flew into the cloaca of a turkey who sneezed into my chili 

The CCP was so committed to finding the source of COVID at the place identified as a potential origination point of the virus, that they demolished and plowed under the Wuhan food market and killed and incinerated all the animals at the market.  At the time the people running this stellar investigation didn't think of looking down the street to notice a biological research facility.  In the world of cover-ups, this is whats called a thorough scientific and forensic investigation.  But please don't criticize or question anything or anyone, least you get called a conspiracy nut.  Or the new catch phase for anyone questioning incompetent and unethical officials, a terrorist inciting violence.   

 

Curiously NIH funding of the lab generated massive conflicts of interest with Fauci and other officials domestically and worldwide who spent half their time covering up and deflecting their association and complicity and the other half misdirecting COVID policy.  As for Fauci, he managed this juggling act while remaining the darling of lock down and government mandate enthusiasts.  Quite a performance by the good doctor.  So now he's leaving before any House committee that will be called by the expected new majority drags his old ass through the streets.  I understand he intends to leave no forwarding address with his former employer. 

Edited August 24, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

49 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The CCP was so committed to finding the source of COVID at the place identified as a potential origination point of the virus, that they demolished and plowed under the Wuhan food market and killed and incinerated all the animals at the market.  At the time the people running this stellar investigation didn't think of looking down the street to notice a biological research facility.  In the world of cover-ups, this is whats called a thorough scientific and forensic investigation.  But please don't criticize or question anything or anyone, least you get called a conspiracy nut.  Or the new catch phase for anyone questioning incompetent and unethical officials, a terrorist inciting violence.   

 

Curiously NIH funding of the lab generated massive conflicts of interest with Fauci and other officials domestically and worldwide who spent half their time covering up and deflecting their association and complicity and the other half misdirecting COVID policy.  As for Fauci, he managed this juggling act while remaining the darling of lock down and government mandate enthusiasts.  Quite a performance by the good doctor.  So now he's leaving before any House committee that will be called by the expected new majority drags his old ass through the streets.  I understand he intends to leave no forwarding address with his former employer. 

And then of course there is this.. another  lifelong bureaucrat and multimillionaire enriches him self as a “servant of the people” 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2022/01/15/disclosures-released-dr-fauci-household-profits-exceeded-17-million-in-2020--included-income-royalties-travel-perks-and-investment-gains/amp/

 

only a sycophantic moron would get behind this guy.
 

It’s ironic how the same people who pretend to admonish Putins Russia are supporting as useful idiots the same corrupt centrally all powerful government and oligarch elite society in the us. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Good riddance to Fauci and his calamitous, costly career. 

 

Never in the history of the public-health profession has anyone been so richly rewarded for doing so much harm to the public’s health.

 

Fauci violated the fundamental principles of science, but got away it by deploying the skills honed during five decades in Washington: bureaucratic infighting, media manipulation and fearmongering.

 

 

https://nypost.com/2022/08/23/good-riddance-to-fauci-and-his-calamitous-costly-career/

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

Bingo.

 

Every. Single. Word.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

[PetermansRedemption]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

Typical political clown. So glad he is gone. 
 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[B-Man]

 

[BillsFanNC]

47 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

She forgot to include the "***** you Dr. Fauci" part in the tweet.

 

 

[dpberr]

On 8/23/2022 at 4:58 PM, Doc said:

 

No, it started in some unknown animal they still haven't and never will identify.  Meanwhile the local lab has it in abundance, but it's a conspiracy theory to think it came from there.

 

The media also ignores, likely because the median age of its "reporters" is 22, that the insidious monkeypox was found in a lab, and AIDS, and nearly every single respiratory virus pandemic since the 1950s has not been conclusively traced to a natural ignition point. MERS? Nope.  SARS?  Don't know. 

 

 It's always "we don't know" or "we don't know how that virus jumped from chimpanzees, etc.  Yet, COVID *must* be from nature.  It must, *****!

 

The US is ultimately to blame for COVID when it's all said and done, and it's probably greasier than that.  The US cleverly steered money to the Chinese to do the research to get around the US stateside ban on GOF.   The Chinese don't work on it without the money.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I’m confused. I’ve seen Fauci testify in front of congress already. Did I dream that?

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m confused. I’ve seen Fauci testify in front of congress already. Did I dream that?

Fauci testified that biological research at Wuhan funded by NIH that sought to enhance the ability of animal originated coronavirus to infect humans does not meet the definition of "gain of function" research.  And its a mere coincidence that ground zero for the virus was located near the Wuhan research facility. 

 

And if you attack him you attack science.  I am science, he proclaimed!

[BillsFanNC]

So Fauci is correct here. However, when talking about the flu and the vaccine it is indeed important for elderly and immunocompromised to get vaccinated, because natural infection and the stronger immune response it generates against currently curculating strains won't help you if you're dead.

 

Covid19 is also a respiratory virus that mutates and escapes immunity rapidly.  Therefore any virolgist , immunologist or infectious disease MD could have told you when the vaccines were rolled out in December 2020 that if the same formulation was going to be in place over a year later, then the vaccine would not be expected  to provide much protection against infection.

 

There's a reason why the flu vaccine is re-formulated for every flu season.

 

 

 

[BillStime]

👆🤡

 

Someone is DEPERATE to change the narrative, eh?

 

lmao

 

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, Bandito said:

Did you write this with your mask on? 

Awe that’s so cute 

[BillsFanNC]

So someone quoted the ***** stain @BillStime and since it's been at least a week.....

 

Hey @BillStime...

 

***** off!

[716er]

3 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

So someone quoted the ***** stain @BillStime and since it's been at least a week.....

 

Hey @BillStime...

 

***** off!