Explosion In Jerusalem

[Justice]

7 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

That’s fallacy. World history is literally eons of migration and settling, resettling. Have you seen footage of our southern border? 

I personally believe it’s wrong and immoral but at the same time as we are really all just animals, there are times when we face kill or be killed situations and have to make a choice.
 

Some people think killing is acceptable, some think it is never justifiable. Others believe what ever their handlers tell them to think. 

Why do people love their home? Dude. Come on now. You’ve got some crazy ass rationale going on up there. Why does anyone settle for their spouse? I mean there’s always gonna be someone better out there. People been moving for years? Well then I guess you wouldn’t mind if some dude invades your home, kicks up his feet on your favorite seat and grabs your remote. I mean people been moving for “eons”. Why be a Bills fan? There’s 31 other teams out there. Why buy a car? There’s always gonna be a better one. Etc etc etc 

 

The heart wants what the heart wants. There is no real explanation. 
 

I for one love Palestine/Israel. It’s a beautiful country. I love the fresh air, I love the mountains and beaches. I love the food. I love the architecture. I can only speak for myself though. 

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Oh, what did god tell you?

And I know some around here feel asking for Id is racist so how were you sure it was him? 

To keep on keeping on

and

Faith

[Doc Brown]

10 hours ago, snafu said:

 

Who knows?

I've often wondered why a whole lot of people cram themselves into living in substandard conditions in NYC when there's a whole lot of better options less than 100 miles away -- or anywhere else for that matter.  It ain't religion keeping them here, just like it ain't religion keeping the Palestinians in Gaza.

 

Family, proximity to workplace, used to the pace of life if they grew up there, plethora of restaurants within walking distance, easy public transportation, etc....

 

They'd pry ask why people love living in the middle of nowhere in the country.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 hours ago, Justice said:

 

I for one love Palestine/Israel. It’s a beautiful country. I love the fresh air, I love the mountains and beaches. I love the food. I love the architecture. I can only speak for myself though. 

Sure, and you also don’t live there right? 

[meazza]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Sure, and you also don’t live there right? 

What point are you trying to make ?

[Justice]

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Sure, and you also don’t live there right? 

Home, for me, is here in the States. Miami to be exact. Pali is my 2nd home. I have a house and own property there. 

[meazza]

17 minutes ago, Justice said:

Home, for me, is here in the States. Miami to be exact. Pali is my 2nd home. I have a house and own property there. 

 

I have a member of my family who is in Tel Aviv. 

[Justice]

5 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

I have a member of my family who is in Tel Aviv. 

Ever eat at the Old man and the sea? Pretty good food there. 

[meazza]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

Ever eat at the Old man and the sea? Pretty good food there. 

 

No I only went once a very long time ago.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, Justice said:

Home, for me, is here in the States. Miami to be exact. Pali is my 2nd home. I have a house and own property there. 

Hey my friend... I know a lot of this board is hobby argument.  Truly hope your home there and family and friends there are safe from this madness. 
 

I also appreciate you giving us perspective from a knowing perspective. Everything we are fed is filtered through some national agenda. 

[Tiberius]

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Democrats on the House Foreign Affairs Committee are expected to summon a senior Biden administration official to a high-stakes meeting as soon as Thursday to discuss a pending $735 million arms sale to Israel, as some members of the party’s liberal wing angrily oppose the United States sending its closest regional ally any more weapons it could use to strike Gaza.

Disclosure of the commercial sale, first reported this week by The Washington Post, prompted a backlash from many of Congress’s newest and most liberal Democrats, who have been vocal critics of what they view as American willingness to turn a blind eye to human-rights abuses Palestinians have experienced at the hands of Israel’s government. In recent days, they have excoriated the more politically moderate members of their party, who signed off on the transaction informally, for permitting such a large cache of munitions to be sent to Israel as it trades fire with Hamas in the worst fighting the disputed territory has seen in years.

The internal feud over whether to block the sale is unlikely to yield short-term results, as a majority of both the House and Senate would have to register a formal objection by Friday to stop the deal in its tracks. But it has exposed fissures in the Democratic Party that may lead to longer-term changes, as its members find themselves in uncharted territory: arguing about whether the United States should put new limits on its financial relationship with Israel.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/israel-arms-sale-biden-democrats/2021/05/19/edc11814-b8d8-11eb-a5fe-bb49dc89a248_story.html

[B-Man]

https://www.nysun.com/foreign/sea-change-israel-turns-democrats-toward-iran/91518/

 

 

KUDLOW: Changing on Israel, Democrats Turn Toward Iran.

 

On Tuesday, the Democratic-run House blocked a bill that would have imposed sanctions on foreign entities known to have provided financial assistance to the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hamas.

 

A chap named Brian Mast, a Republican member of the House from Florida, sponsored the measure. “Under my bill, the United States will sanction these groups that are supporting terrorism,” Mr. Mast said in a floor speech. “Or if we do not pass this bill, we will not stand together to sanction these groups that are enabling this terrorism.”

 

Democrats then blocked the bill, and on party lines, by a vote of 217 to 209. Tragic. Tragic that the Democratic majority is moving against Israel and in favor of Iranian-backed terrorists. Tragic that there isn’t total bipartisan support for backing Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East. And certainly America’s greatest ally in that region.

 

And maybe our best friend in the world. Yet you’ve got Democrats, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib, who publicly denounced Israel as promoting racism under an apartheid system.

 

 

 

The Left is rife with antisemitism.

 

 

 

[BillStime]

Ceasefire confirmed.

 

Congrats Biden on creating Middle East peace!!! 
 

 

[B-Man]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Ceasefire confirmed.

 

Congrats Biden on creating Middle East peace!!! 
 

 

 

 

I was going to post a liberal logic meme,

 

But whats the point.

 

NOTHING could illustrate the backwards thinking of the Left more than BillZtimes post above.

 

Conflict breaks out two weeks ago on Biden's watch.

 

Shaky ceasefire declared, on Biden's watch.

 

Lefties point to Biden success.

 

 

If it was almost anyone else, you would think that maybe it is satire, but we all know that is beyond his capablities.

 

 

 

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

I was going to post a liberal logic meme,

 

But whats the point.

 

NOTHING could illustrate the backwards thinking of the Left more than BillZtimes post above.

 

Conflict breaks out two weeks ago on Biden's watch.

 

Shaky ceasefire declared, on Biden's watch.

 

Lefties point to Biden success.

 

 

If it was almost anyone else, you would think that maybe it is satire, but we all know that is beyond his capablities.

 

 

 

But didn’t Trump bring ever lasting peace to the Middle East?

 

ETTD

[SoCal Deek]

Is it really called a ceasefire when all both sides are doing is pausing to re-load?

[B-Man]

36 minutes ago, BillStime said:

But didn’t Trump bring ever lasting peace to the Middle East?

 

ETTD

 

 

No none claims that ..........as you know,

 

BUT, he did manage to bring it closer, in just four ears...........no wars

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Ceasefire confirmed.

 

Congrats Biden on creating Middle East peace!!! 
 

 

Biden is a bad ass!! 

 

Holy heck!! This guy is good! 

43 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

No none claims that ..........as you know,

 

BUT, he did manage to bring it closer, in just four ears...........no wars

 

 

Oh look, the sore loser is out with his garbage already! 😂 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

Ceasefire confirmed.

 

Congrats Biden on creating Middle East peace!!!

 

So Joey is Egyptian now, is he?

 

 

[B-Man]

[ALF]

I put the blame on Iran , they destroyed Yemen , now arming Hamas.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

I put the blame on Iran , they destroyed Yemen , now arming Hamas.

 

Now?

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 5/17/2021 at 11:08 AM, meazza said:

The knowledge @Niagara Bill and @ComradeKayAdams display in this thread is so illogical and yet it is the mainstream.

 

Just shows that nuanced discussions and media manipulation (from all sources) has poisoned minds for many generations.

 

Next time you call a post of mine illogical, please outline why in a single response. I don’t really know who you are, so I’m having to piece together your opinions from other posts:

 

1. It appears that you acknowledge Israel’s non-trivial injustices toward Palestinians. Good. All international human rights authorities and experts concur.

 

2. You seem to be arguing that Israel doesn’t need U.S. financial aid in order to survive, and so this would not be any diplomatic leverage. If that is the case, then great! All the more reason to immediately cut off aid to a country running an apartheid state (or quasi-apartheid…however one chooses to label the human rights violations).

 

3. Am I overestimating the extent to which other Arab countries would cooperate in mitigating the Israel/Palestine crisis? Sure, I probably am, but I still stand 100% by the actions I said the U.S. should take. These actions should be done on ethical grounds alone, not to mention for the broader Middle East strategy on other issues (namely the war on Islamic terrorism).

 

4. I get the sense that you are advocating for a much harder stance on Iran than JCPOA, i.e. Bibi’s general position. If so, do you mean like Trump’s? Or different? And how would that change the dynamics of all involved actors in the Israel/Palestine conflict for the better, particularly in the long run? Even if Hamas were to lose all support from Iran, would that end terrorism against Israel in the name of Palestine (and/or radical Islam)? And again: what about the ethical quandaries, this time ranging from draconian sanctions on the Iranian people to an all-out war? It’s easy for us to play Machiavellian board games of Risk when the consequences don’t personally affect us.

[meazza]

1 hour ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Next time you call a post of mine illogical, please outline why in a single response. I don’t really know who you are, so I’m having to piece together your opinions from other posts:

 

1. It appears that you acknowledge Israel’s non-trivial injustices toward Palestinians. Good. All international human rights authorities and experts concur.

 

2. You seem to be arguing that Israel doesn’t need U.S. financial aid in order to survive, and so this would not be any diplomatic leverage. If that is the case, then great! All the more reason to immediately cut off aid to a country running an apartheid state (or quasi-apartheid…however one chooses to label the human rights violations).

 

3. Am I overestimating the extent to which other Arab countries would cooperate in mitigating the Israel/Palestine crisis? Sure, I probably am, but I still stand 100% by the actions I said the U.S. should take. These actions should be done on ethical grounds alone, not to mention for the broader Middle East strategy on other issues (namely the war on Islamic terrorism).

 

4. I get the sense that you are advocating for a much harder stance on Iran than JCPOA, i.e. Bibi’s general position. If so, do you mean like Trump’s? Or different? And how would that change the dynamics of all involved actors in the Israel/Palestine conflict for the better, particularly in the long run? Even if Hamas were to lose all support from Iran, would that end terrorism against Israel in the name of Palestine (and/or radical Islam)? And again: what about the ethical quandaries, this time ranging from draconian sanctions on the Iranian people to an all-out war? It’s easy for us to play Machiavellian board games of Risk when the consequences don’t personally affect us.

 

For a start, using "Apartheid" is a non-starter. Nearly half Israeli's that are Jewish are actually non-white.  Nearly 20% of Israeli's are non Jewish as well.

 

The issues are in the West Bank and Gaza but these are run by Palestinian leaders and not Israeli.  
 

If you want to follow a good source for this topic, follow Rudy Rochman.  

[meazza]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/claiming-victory-while-sitting-in-qatar-hamas-chief-says-we-destroyed-project-of-coexistence-with-israel/

[B-Man]

 

 

 

19 hours ago, BillStime said:

Ceasefire confirmed.

 

Congrats Biden on creating Middle East peace!!! 
 

 

16 hours ago, Doc said:

 

So Joey is Egyptian now, is he?

 

 

 

No.

 

but he did watch The Mummy once............

 

 

 

[Justice]

When does round 2 start?

[meazza]

3 hours ago, Justice said:

When does round 2 start?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hours-after-gaza-ceasefire-palestinians-police-clash-on-temple-mount/

 

As a concession, jews are not even allowed near the temple mount.

 

What does salman nizami think of that ?

[Justice]

32 minutes ago, meazza said:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hours-after-gaza-ceasefire-palestinians-police-clash-on-temple-mount/

 

As a concession, jews are not even allowed near the temple mount.

 

What does salman nizami think of that ?

For the time being. I guess that time is over with. 

[meazza]

57 minutes ago, Justice said:

For the time being. I guess that time is over with. 

For the time being? Jews are not allowed to pray near the Temple Mount and even visiting it as a Jew is considered a « provocation ».

 

 

[Justice]

2 hours ago, meazza said:

For the time being? Jews are not allowed to pray near the Temple Mount and even visiting it as a Jew is considered a « provocation ».

 

 

Did you read your own article? Direct quote from the article you shared:

 

”In an attempt to avoid further confrontations, Israeli authorities have banned access by Jewish visitors to the Temple Mount for the time being.”

 

Besides. The western wall is located near Temple Mount. 

Edited May 22, 2021 by Justice

[meazza]

43 minutes ago, Justice said:

Did you read your own article? Direct quote from the article you shared:

 

”In an attempt to avoid further confrontations, Israeli authorities have banned access by Jewish visitors to the Temple Mount for the time being.”

 

Besides. The western wall is located near Temple Mount. 

 

Yes it is for the time being that Jews aren't allowed on the Temple Mount but they are not allowed to pray ever.  

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-jewish-israelis-indicted-for-praying-on-temple-mount/

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The Temple Mount — the holiest site in Judaism and the third-holiest for Muslims, who refer to it as Al-Aqsa or the Noble Sanctuary — is the most volatile site in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Palestinian leadership — as well as Jordan, which has a special role at the site under to its peace agreement with Israel — reject the Jewish connection to the Temple Mount and regard all entry to it by religious Jews as a “provocation.”

 

...

 

Jews can enter the compound on weekdays during limited hours and on a predetermined route under heavy supervision by police and Jordan’s Islamic Waqf, and face significant restrictions such as a ban on praying, appearing to pray, displaying religious or national symbols, and drinking from the water fountains.

 

 

Edited May 22, 2021 by meazza

[Justice]

1 hour ago, meazza said:

 

Yes it is for the time being that Jews aren't allowed on the Temple Mount but they are not allowed to pray ever.  

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-jewish-israelis-indicted-for-praying-on-temple-mount/

 

 

Well that ain’t right. Jerusalem is for everyone. They deserve the right to be there. Unfortunately problems do arise. They didn’t appreciate seeing the Palestinian flag there today. Both sides need to be more accepting of the other. 

[meazza]

9 hours ago, Justice said:

Well that ain’t right. Jerusalem is for everyone. They deserve the right to be there. Unfortunately problems do arise. They didn’t appreciate seeing the Palestinian flag there today. Both sides need to be more accepting of the other. 

And welcome to the heart of the conflict. The rest is just noise. 

 

If Israel was really as bad as some make them out to be, they would not be taking these measures to keep the peace.

Edited May 22, 2021 by meazza

[Justice]

4 hours ago, meazza said:

And welcome to the heart of the conflict. The rest is just noise. 

 

If Israel was really as bad as some make them out to be, they would not be taking these measures to keep the peace.

Dude they’re a lot worse than that. “What they’re made out to be?” You gotta be kidding me. 

[meazza]

21 minutes ago, Justice said:

Dude they’re a lot worse than that. “What they’re made out to be?” You gotta be kidding me. 

Way to miss the point.

[Justice]

50 minutes ago, meazza said:

Way to miss the point.

Miss the point? They were there the very next day!!!! I’m not giving credit to anything as long as it’s BS. 

‘I’m all about that action, boss’

- Marshawn Lynch 

[Justice]

 

[Justice]

You’re probably not gonna watch this so I’ll just fill you in on a small piece of this video. This Palestinian family built a home on their property without permits. Israel told them they’re not allowed to live in it. Their options were to allow it to be demolished or leave it empty. They chose to leave it empty. The Israelis then brought in a Jewish man to live in that condemned property. It’s a racist regime. Period. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Justice said:

You’re probably not gonna watch this so I’ll just fill you in on a small piece of this video. This Palestinian family built a home on their property without permits. Israel told them they’re not allowed to live in it. Their options were to allow it to be demolished or leave it empty. They chose to leave it empty. The Israelis then brought in a Jewish man to live in that condemned property. It’s a racist regime. Period. 

 

I think you gave the reasoning right in your post, but chose to ignore it.