BarleyNY Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is there anyone to trade for that would really be a difference maker? Looks like it's going to be Draft, unless Beane can fish out a jem or two from the late-day free agent heap Danielle Hunter, DE Vikings is said to be on the block. He’s a stud but had a bad neck injury and did not play last season. Edit: Also he wants PAID Edited March 16, 2021 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I’m guessing at this point we roll again with what we have on D and look to hit on a draft pick. Maybe still a value signing out there? Is it possibly better value in loading up with another weapon for Josh? still some good receivers out there.. Fuller, Samuel,Golliday, Henry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Danielle Hunter, DE Vikings is said to be on the block. He’s a stud but had a bad neck injury and did not play last season. Edit: Also he wants PAID Count me as veeeerrrrrrry skeeevy about relying on a guy coming back from a bad neck injury 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is there anyone to trade for that would really be a difference maker? Looks like it's going to be Draft, unless Beane can fish out a jem or two from the late-day free agent heap Daniele Hunter - keep an eye out for him. He removed all Vikings reference from his twitter and has been liking tweets from people saying he should be traded. We do have the draft capital to trade for Hunter and Beane and Spielman have done business together that was a win win. 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Count me as veeeerrrrrrry skeeevy about relying on a guy coming back from a bad neck injury That was a freak injury and technicaly he did not even need surgery. There was some resentment from the Vikings that he opted for the surgery and there is a feeling he did it because he felt he was being underpaid. Zimmer dismissed it initially as just a tweak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Count me as veeeerrrrrrry skeeevy about relying on a guy coming back from a bad neck injury Obviously you’d want to check that out first, but the man asked what difference making DEs were out there on the trade block. Hunter certainly fits that bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is there anyone to trade for that would really be a difference maker? Looks like it's going to be Draft, unless Beane can fish out a jem or two from the late-day free agent heap Hunter in Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Obviously you’d want to check that out first, but the man asked what difference making DEs were out there on the trade block. Hunter certainly fits that bill. He does I guess I have PTSD about the Bills medical ability to correctly identify guys with problematic injury pre-signing (See Listenbee, Woods) 17 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: That was a freak injury and technicaly he did not even need surgery. There was some resentment from the Vikings that he opted for the surgery and there is a feeling he did it because he felt he was being underpaid. Zimmer dismissed it initially as just a tweak. Aren't they all freak injuries? As far as Zimmer, if Diggs will say "don't piss on me and tell me it's raining" to one aspect, it seems possible to me that it might be a pattern. As far as surgery, I guess I'm old-fashioned but when a guy requires surgery for something involving his neck and spine, it seems to me that it might be time to step aside from a job description of "smash into 300 lb behemoths or have them smash into me in an uncontrolled fashion approximately 1,000x/year I know I know, I asked, several of you answered 😬 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 What do we do? Imho, we need a huge influx of talent at pass rusher but can't afford him and he'll come way overpriced.... We definitely need some major talent added to the defense. DE, CB and DT. Never mind backup LB. We also need major talent added to WR and TE.... and have to find someone to compete with the four RBs we currently have and is good enough to perhaps win the job. Never mind we need a guard and a back up OT. LOL, Our needs to be a Super Bowl favorite are many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Judon gone! Dupree gone! Lawson gone! Ngakoue gone! Autry gone! Okwara gone! all (except Autry) between 13 mill and 18 mill aav, which is quite reasonable. so, we shd be all in on Hendrickson or trade for a guy like Danielle Hunter? Any other top tier guy left in FA? What about Dawanne Smoot from Jacksonville? Edit: Nope, Jags re-signed, not available https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/gm-report/report-jaguars-re-sign-defensive-lineman-dawuane-smoot-ahead-of-free-agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 hours ago, billybrew1 said: What do we do? Imho, we need a huge influx of talent at pass rusher but can't afford him and he'll come way overpriced.... We definitely need some major talent added to the defense. DE, CB and DT. Never mind backup LB. We also need major talent added to WR and TE.... and have to find someone to compete with the four RBs we currently have and is good enough to perhaps win the job. Never mind we need a guard and a back up OT. LOL, Our needs to be a Super Bowl favorite are many. Major talent needed at WR - interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 We need a RB and a DE inside the first 50 picks in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I’m all about bringing in Dunlap for 1 year, moving back in the draft and taking Joe Tryon at this point barring a Mack trade of course😎. @GunnerBill, @Buffalo716, what are your assessments on Tryon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 10:37 PM, BarleyNY said: Danielle Hunter, DE Vikings is said to be on the block. He’s a stud but had a bad neck injury and did not play last season. Edit: Also he wants PAID I don't get guys like this. Missed a lot of time with a pretty bad neck injury and then demands more money. Don't really want him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I’m all about bringing in Dunlap for 1 year, moving back in the draft and taking Joe Tryon at this point barring a Mack trade of course😎. @GunnerBill, @Buffalo716, what are your assessments on Tryon? Tell me more about what you see out of Dunlap? 21 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: [Danielle Hunter] I don't get guys like this. Missed a lot of time with a pretty bad neck injury and then demands more money. Don't really want him. I hear you. I don't get the Hunter love. The neck scares me. 1 year prove-it with incentives. That said, he's good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Tell me more about what you see out of Dunlap? I hear you. I don't get the Hunter love. Dunlap to help the defensive rotation at DE. He did make plays/play a role in Seattle. Also to help develop the younger players a la Lee Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Dunlap to help the defensive rotation at DE. He did make plays/play a role in Seattle. Also to help develop the younger players a la Lee Smith We need someone who can actually get home, not another "vet to help develop the younger players a la Lee Smith". IMHO we already have a plethora of them in Hughes, Addison, Star etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 7:37 PM, Ethan in Portland said: Use the remaining cap dollars on a veteran TE and draft 4 front 7 defenders This is more than extremely unlikely. Just sayin. 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Tell me more about what you see out of Dunlap? I hear you. I don't get the Hunter love. Have you watched him play? He’s the best pass rushing DE in the league imo. A game changer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: We need someone who can actually get home, not another "vet to help develop the younger players a la Lee Smith". IMHO we already have a plethora of them in Hughes, Addison, Star etc. You don’t think he can’t get to the QB still? He had 6 sacks last season. 5 in the 8 games he played in Seattle Edited March 18, 2021 by Solomon Grundy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 34 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I don't get guys like this. Missed a lot of time with a pretty bad neck injury and then demands more money. Don't really want him. That’s fair if it’s all about getting more money this season. I was surprised he did that. My only thoughts on it are that it’s either: - a way for him to get himself out of Minny or - the neck injury that very well could have ended his career got him thinking he has to set himself and his family up financially ASAP If it’s the former, then okay. If it’s the latter, then you have to really be concerned. Waimea team could hand handing him a huge check only to watch him make business decisions on the field for a couple seasons and then retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That’s fair if it’s all about getting more money this season. I was surprised he did that. My only thoughts on it are that it’s either: - a way for him to get himself out of Minny or - the neck injury that very well could have ended his career got him thinking he has to set himself and his family up financially ASAP If it’s the former, then okay. If it’s the latter, then you have to really be concerned. Waimea team could hand handing him a huge check only to watch him make business decisions on the field for a couple seasons and then retire. If so, he's not very smart. His value is at an all-time low because of the injury. He has to prove he can still play. Neck injuries can end a career. I don't see a team offering him 15M+ on a multi-year deal only to have him be forced to retire. I don't want another Wood situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: If so, he's not very smart. His value is at an all-time low because of the injury. He has to prove he can still play. Neck injuries can end a career. I don't see a team offering him 15M+ on a multi-year deal only to have him be forced to retire. I don't want another Wood situation. Time will tell, but I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t get 17-25M per year. His guaranteed money may be at an all time low, but the dude is a legit all pro DE when healthy. Guys like him get paid big bucks. He’s not a yannick Ngakoue pass rusher. This dude is a monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: We need someone who can actually get home, not another "vet to help develop the younger players a la Lee Smith". IMHO we already have a plethora of them in Hughes, Addison, Star etc. Agree we have enough vets on De line that don't need anyone to be taught. Even the overall roster is old enough and experienced enough that don't see any positions that need the grisly ole vet any longer. Hyde, Proyer, Hughes, Star, Morse, Mongo, have been around long enough at this point. Plus at this point, the offense belongs to Allen and Diggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Agree we have enough vets on De line that don't need anyone to be taught. Even the overall roster is old enough and experienced enough that don't see any positions that need the grisly ole vet any longer. Hyde, Proyer, Hughes, Star, Morse, Mongo, have been around long enough at this point. Plus at this point, the offense belongs to Allen and Diggs. I think we could use a vet to help the young TE develop - it's one reason why we were interested in Greg Olsen last season. But at Edge, we need a guy who can GET THERE 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: You don’t think he can’t get to the QB still? He had 6 sacks last season. 5 in the 8 games he played in Seattle I'm asking! I don't watch Seattle a lot. We all know there are different kind of sacks. There's the coverage sack where the QB has time to run around looking, then there's the OHSHIT JAILBREAK Judon or Donald type strip-sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 37 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: If so, he's not very smart. His value is at an all-time low because of the injury. He has to prove he can still play. Neck injuries can end a career. I don't see a team offering him 15M+ on a multi-year deal only to have him be forced to retire. I don't want another Wood situation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/vikings/.amp/news/vikings-de-danielle-hunter-successful-surgery-herniated-disc-neck https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/danielle-hunter-16812/ I did some digging and was surprised by some things here. The first link is an article about his successful surgery. What I find incredibly surprising is that it also includes a tweet from Ian Rapaport that says that Hunter’s agent was demanding a new contract that would make Hunter the highest paid defensive player in the league or trade him. That tweet came BEFORE Hunter even had his surgery. Wow. The second link is his contract, which runs through 2023, so he has three seasons left on it. It is a 5 year deal worth $72M. That’s huge and ranks 7th among DEs in AAV, but it is way below market for a healthy Hunter. But who is giving him such a massive deal without knowing if he will stay healthy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think we could use a vet to help the young TE develop - it's one reason why we were interested in Greg Olsen last season. But at Edge, we need a guy who can GET THERE Well yeah I'm making assumption, there will be an experienced TE brought in the next couple of days/weeks. Also feel TE and Edge aren't worth drafting at, at least not high as we could draft the next Bruce Smith, even more unlikely at #30, but even if we did, I think a guy like Johnson with two years NFL experience and two years in the Bills system, plus throw in his ST play would likely outplay a rookie edge drafted at #30 in 2021, and maybe even 2022. From what I recall even Bruce Smith took 3 to 4 years before he really became good, can remember him struggling against though much of that may have been due to him not caring alot about playing the run. He just wanted sacks early on it seemed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 11:04 AM, Solomon Grundy said: I’m all about bringing in Dunlap for 1 year, moving back in the draft and taking Joe Tryon at this point barring a Mack trade of course😎. @GunnerBill, @Buffalo716, what are your assessments on Tryon? Gonna do a deeper dive to give a better assessment 👍 He has alot of potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 It’s possible Tre’s restructure could turn out to be an Ertz trade, but I doubt it at this point. They are probably staying put at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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