Overtime Rule Change Proposal

[Royale with Cheese]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I love my 91 to 84 games.  Way too gimmicky.

How many of the 91 points were on TD throws from Josh?

Edited March 5, 2021 by Royale with Cheese

[Buffalo03]

Just do a field goal competition. First team to miss while the other makes it wins lol

[Matt_In_NH]

Anyone listen to OBL yesterday, Brown and Tasker could not understand this proposal, it was comical.

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, mattynh said:

Anyone listen to OBL yesterday, Brown and Tasker could not understand this proposal, it was comical.

Look.  "I get it."  Tasker got hit in the head a lot.  What's Brown's excuse.

[Matt_In_NH]

35 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Look.  "I get it."  Tasker got hit in the head a lot.  What's Brown's excuse.

Brain damage from screaming into the mic over emphasizing a minor point?

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, mattynh said:

Anyone listen to OBL yesterday, Brown and Tasker could not understand this proposal, it was comical.

 

To be fair - this is one of the most idiotic and mind bendingly stupid proposals ever made.  A team gets to choose ball and the other team chooses the starting position.  Why - to what end and why are we again screwing with kickoffs.  Just absolutely mental.  

 

Their other rule change about an extra “sky official” is much more palatable.  It sounds like what the NFL was planning before the preseason went away last year.  To be fair - to all the “fans” that want to eliminate preseason- this is reason #1 to keep a minimum of 2 games - even as we add 17 and 18.  You need a place to test rule changes in a live environment.  The early season injuries is reason 2.  The poor defensive play in the first 6-8 weeks is reason #3.

 

[Orlando Tim]

On 3/4/2021 at 9:33 AM, GunnerBill said:

I don't know why you all hate ties so much. How many games go to overtime over the course of a season? 15? 20? Just call them ties and be done with it. In the playoffs I'd insist each team possess the ball once and if it remains tied after that then sudden death. 

I assume you are a soccer fan with awful take😜. I don't hate ties but would prefer a victor in a close game, in soccer I hate a 1-1 tie where both teams stop attacking for the last 15 minutes to ensure their point and would hate to see football do that.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

I assume you are a soccer fan with awful take😜. I don't hate ties but would prefer a victor in a close game, in soccer I hate a 1-1 tie where both teams stop attacking for the last 15 minutes to ensure their point and would hate to see football do that.

 

The horrible take is people who think every game must result in a victor. 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The horrible take is people who think every game must result in a victor. 

 

 

The point of competition is to determine a winner...........if that isn't the point of the game then it's not true competition.

 

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The point of competition is to determine a winner...........if that isn't the point of the game then it's not true competition.

 

Of course it is. You compete for 60 minutes and tie it doesn't mean the 60 minutes wasn't a competition.

 

There is no need for overtime in the regular season. Scrap it. 

[sullim4]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

There is no need for overtime in the regular season. Scrap it. 

 

I agree with this.  It will make the last two minutes of the fourth quarter in a tight game a lot more interesting - do you play for the tie or for the win?

 

Week 17 ties would add a lot more drama to playoff races as well, with that scenario being significantly more likely to happen.

[clayboy54]

I suggest having the head coaches wrestle at midfield. Winner takes all.

[BADOLBILZ]

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Of course it is. You compete for 60 minutes and tie it doesn't mean the 60 minutes wasn't a competition.

 

There is no need for overtime in the regular season. Scrap it. 

 

 

Simply put there is no way that a football game..........with all of its plays and complexities and different ways to score..........should end in a tie.

 

One team was always better than the other or got more bounces etc..........there should always be a victor.   

 

You haven't even offered a supporting argument.........which should be your first clue that it's just ingrained in you for no good reason.

 

There is one reason for ties in sport..........fatigue.   

 

Just as it makes cowards of everyone...........it makes the need to determine a victor irrelevant.

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Simply put there is no way that a football game..........with all of its plays and complexities and different ways to score..........should end in a tie.

 

One team was always better than the other or got more bounces etc..........there should always be a victor.   

 

You haven't even offered a supporting argument.........which should be your first clue that it's just ingrained in you for no good reason.

 

There is one reason for ties in sport..........fatigue.   

 

Just as it makes cowards of everyone...........it makes the need to determine a victor irrelevant.

 

 

My supporting argument is that the game is 60 minutes long. I think your position is equally ingrained and nonsensical.

[BADOLBILZ]

34 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

 

I agree with this.  It will make the last two minutes of the fourth quarter in a tight game a lot more interesting - do you play for the tie or for the win?

 

Week 17 ties would add a lot more drama to playoff races as well, with that scenario being significantly more likely to happen.

 

 

You do realize that the NFL has basically been changing the rules non-stop for decades to prevent teams from just trying to play for low score ties?

 

There is definitely an optical difference between a soccer team trying to play keep-away to preserve a tie and an NFL team taking two knees at their own 35 yard line with a minute left in the game to secure a tie.      

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Just play an entire extra quarter, if its tied after that then its a tie. First to score favors the team that wins the coin toss a little too much 

[BADOLBILZ]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My supporting argument is that the game is 60 minutes long. I think your position is equally ingrained and nonsensical.

 

 

As I've said.........the NFL has only made rules changes to prevent such non-competitive football...........that's not changing whether you think it's "bizarre" or "horrible" or not so let it go.    

 

We think your food is bizarre and nonsensical so just call it even.

 

If you get caught playing for the tie in this country you are worse than a loser.........you are first loser.

 

Ask Pat Dye.  

 

 

[billsfan89]

On 3/4/2021 at 6:04 AM, 17islongenough said:

Just go to college rules.  

I find college OT rules to be gimmicky and not really reflective of the game. I don’t see the major issue with the current NFL OT rules. I think they maybe can find a better way to decide who gets the ball first but that’s my only gripe.

10 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Just play an entire extra quarter, if its tied after that then its a tie. First to score favors the team that wins the coin toss a little too much 

The coin toss still favors the team that gets the ball even if they just play a 10 minute quarter as it effectively gets an extra possession to the team that won the toss. But I am not sure what you can do to make the game more fair in that regard. 
 

I find the golden TD rule in the regular season to be just fine. But I do think in the playoffs they should just play the full 10 minutes and then go to a standard OT format.

[stinky finger]

On 3/4/2021 at 9:33 AM, GunnerBill said:

I don't know why you all hate ties so much. How many games go to overtime over the course of a season? 15? 20? Just call them ties and be done with it. In the playoffs I'd insist each team possess the ball once and if it remains tied after that then sudden death. 

 

Herman Edwards said......

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

As I've said.........the NFL has only made rules changes to prevent such non-competitive football...........that's not changing whether you think it's "bizarre" or "horrible" or not so let it go.    

 

We think your food is bizarre and nonsensical so just call it even.

 

If you get caught playing for the tie in this country you are worse than a loser.........you are first loser.

 

Ask Pat Dye.  

 

 

 

Yea but you guys are weird.

9 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Herman Edwards said......

 

Just because you tie doesn't mean you haven't played to win. 

[stinky finger]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea but you guys are weird.

 

Just because you tie doesn't mean you haven't played to win. 

 

Fair enoigh. 

 

Maybe he should’ve said you play to determine a winner? 

[Mike in Horseheads]

OT Stanley Cup playoff games are the best!

[BobbyC81]

On 3/4/2021 at 6:15 AM, Buffalo03 said:

Keep it how it is now bit go back to 15:00 OT quarters. The 10:00 quarters are crappy. It leads to more ties

I agree.  I’m sure it was just part of negotiations but I don’t see how the reduction of 5 mins made a difference for player safety.  Since they reduced it to 10 mins, in the games I saw, even if the first team doesn’t score, but they moved the ball some, they usually used up 6 or 7 mins.  Then the other team had 3 to 4 mins left and you get into risk vs reward.  A conservative coach may just play for the tie rather than take a risk that backfires and loses the game.

 

I’ve always felt that both teams should get one possession, regardless of what happens on the 1st possession.

[Rochesterfan]

16 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I find college OT rules to be gimmicky and not really reflective of the game. I don’t see the major issue with the current NFL OT rules. I think they maybe can find a better way to decide who gets the ball first but that’s my only gripe.

The coin toss still favors the team that gets the ball even if they just play a 10 minute quarter as it effectively gets an extra possession to the team that won the toss. But I am not sure what you can do to make the game more fair in that regard. 
 

I find the golden TD rule in the regular season to be just fine. But I do think in the playoffs they should just play the full 10 minutes and then go to a standard OT format.

 

I agree and there is not much you can do.  I think the NFL should tie the OT coin toss into the coin toss to start the game.  The choices become:

 

1) Winning team can receive the 1st kick off in the game and in OT.

 

2) Winning team can defer and choose what they want after halftime, but then the other team gets to decide the opening kickoff and OT.

 

3) Winning team can choose a direction - allowing the other team to choose to receive or kickoff to start the game and in OT.

 

I believe this would change many teams approach from deferring to receiving the kick off to start the game - so that in the event of OT - they get the ball.  It would also then play into the end of game decisions to some degree as teams already know the kick off situation for OT.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[sullim4]

20 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You do realize that the NFL has basically been changing the rules non-stop for decades to prevent teams from just trying to play for low score ties?

 

There is definitely an optical difference between a soccer team trying to play keep-away to preserve a tie and an NFL team taking two knees at their own 35 yard line with a minute left in the game to secure a tie.      

 

 

By eliminating sudden death overtime and shortening the overtime period to 10 minutes?  Both of those rule changes increase the likelihood of ties.

 

I don't like ties, either, but I also don't like arbitrary rule changes that alter the game (college OT, picking a yard line at the coin toss, etc).  The basic flow is a kickoff followed by a drive down the field, with punts and turnovers in between that change possession.  Eliminating any of those changes the nature of the previous 60 minutes of competition.

 

If the NFL rewarded wins with '3' points and ties with '1', in a points-based standing system similar to the NHL, I suspect you will see teams play hard to win as opposed to tie should overtime be eliminated and regulation solely determines the winner.

[Buffalo03]

6 hours ago, ColeB said:

I agree.  I’m sure it was just part of negotiations but I don’t see how the reduction of 5 mins made a difference for player safety.  Since they reduced it to 10 mins, in the games I saw, even if the first team doesn’t score, but they moved the ball some, they usually used up 6 or 7 mins.  Then the other team had 3 to 4 mins left and you get into risk vs reward.  A conservative coach may just play for the tie rather than take a risk that backfires and loses the game.

 

I’ve always felt that both teams should get one possession, regardless of what happens on the 1st possession.

Agree with all of this. I've usually seen the same thing, the first time eats 7 minutes on the first drive only to get nothing out of the drive and then the other team has 2 to 3 minutes to try to get into field goal range or score a TD. The weird paer is, the 10:00 minute OT is only for regular season, it goes back to 15:00 in the playoffs

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, sullim4 said:

 

By eliminating sudden death overtime and shortening the overtime period to 10 minutes?  Both of those rule changes increase the likelihood of ties.

 

I don't like ties, either, but I also don't like arbitrary rule changes that alter the game (college OT, picking a yard line at the coin toss, etc).  The basic flow is a kickoff followed by a drive down the field, with punts and turnovers in between that change possession.  Eliminating any of those changes the nature of the previous 60 minutes of competition.

 

If the NFL rewarded wins with '3' points and ties with '1', in a points-based standing system similar to the NHL, I suspect you will see teams play hard to win as opposed to tie should overtime be eliminated and regulation solely determines the winner.

 

 

GTFOH with a points system.😆

 

Only 9 games the past two seasons ended in regulation ties..........they don't need to change the ranking system for that paltry amount.

 

 

[billsfan89]

14 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I agree and there is not much you can do.  I think the NFL should tie the OT coin toss into the coin toss to start the game.  The choices become:

 

1) Winning team can receive the 1st kick off in the game and in OT.

 

2) Winning team can defer and choose what they want after halftime, but then the other team gets to decide the opening kickoff and OT.

 

3) Winning team can choose a direction - allowing the other team to choose to receive or kickoff to start the game and in OT.

 

I believe this would change many teams approach from deferring to receiving the kick off to start the game - so that in the event of OT - they get the ball.  It would also then play into the end of game decisions to some degree as teams already know the kick off situation for OT.

I think that would just result in teams taking the ball to start every game. I think there just has to be a level of chance to it with a second coin toss. At least opening drive field goals don’t end games anymore which is a substantial improvement. 

[Rochesterfan]

8 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I think that would just result in teams taking the ball to start every game. I think there just has to be a level of chance to it with a second coin toss. At least opening drive field goals don’t end games anymore which is a substantial improvement. 

 

I agree, but at the end of the game teams would already know who is getting the ball first in OT.  If I knew the other team was getting the ball first and I am driving for a tying FG - does a team get more aggressive to try and score a TD?  
 

It also eliminates them having to do a second coin toss and make another random decision.  It makes one coin toss per game and changes coaches current thinking process - which has been defer in the majority of cases.

 

I am not saying it fixes many or all of the issues - I think it is just a change that should happen and is better than screwing with things like  eliminating the kickoff and deciding a starting position or going to the college OT rules (even modified for the NFL - like starting at mid field or something).  
 

I have no issue with the current rules, but there is a lot of complaints about the arbitrary nature of the coin toss and that impacting the outcome.  I think if you remove the coin toss in favor of the initial coin toss - now that becomes a part of team’s strategy from the beginning.