sullim4 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 There was a thread started on this at the beginning of the season, and I thought it might be interesting to rekindle this discussion given all the talk about cap casualties... who's receiving the most criticism this offseason from fans here, either deservedly so or not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 It’s a hard Knox life 3 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Is it cheating to say the dline minus "Gary" Hughes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Tremaine Edmunds, no doubt. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 I'm going with Edmunds... it's a hard call between him, Knox, and Singletary. I think most are unhappy with the DL but with Murphy barely playing and Star opting out, our two usual whipping boys aren't receiving as much attention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Edmunds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I would have to say Mitch Morse. I think he's an outstanding pass-protecting center (the most important thing for our offense) and good in the run game if used correctly eg to pull, not as a power bruiser. Yet everyone seems to want him to be cut (at the expense of a big dead cap hit and not very large savings) and replaced by a popular guard who is a competent center, but neither as good in pass protection as Mitch, and was not as good in the run or pass game as some seem to believe. 9 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would have to say Mitch Morse. I think he's an outstanding pass-protecting center (the most important thing for our offense) and good in the run game if used correctly eg to pull, not as a power bruiser. Yet everyone seems to want him to be cut (at the expense of a big dead cap hit and not very large savings) and replaced by a popular guard who is a competent center, but neither as good in pass protection as Mitch, and was not as good in the run or pass game as some seem to believe. I understand the desire to beef up the OL, but we may be a year out from that. It needs to happen, but our front seven needs the love more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yet everyone seems to want him to be cut (at the expense of a big dead cap hit and not very large savings) and replaced by a popular guard who is a competent center, but neither as good in pass protection as Mitch, and was not as good in the run or pass game as some seem to believe. I agree with this. I don't think Feliciano is as good as Morse, and the dead cap hit of $5.5M just doesn't make sense. If you cut Morse, do it in 2022 when the cap hit is in excess of $11M and the dead cap is only $2.75M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilmann Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Knox for me. I’ve seen him drop to many with those stone hands but Singletary is a close second. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I think it should be Cody Ford but most seem to have written him in as a starter. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 None...it’s clearly and deservingly the most unathletic DE in the history of modern professional football...your very own $10M per year and frequently healthy scratched Trent Murphy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think it should be Cody Ford but most seem to have written him in as a starter. Cody Ford shouldn’t be the whipping boy in 2021. He shouldn’t make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Singletarys drop ended our season imo. He gets my vote Cody Ford is a close 2nd even though he missed 2/3 of the season. I don’t want to see him start for us ever again, but I’m sure he’ll start week 1 Edited February 23, 2021 by NewEra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 With people talking about taking a RB in the 1st and cutting/trading John Brown I'd say one of those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 For me it’s Edmunds. I would say Singletary, but I’ve pretty much given up on him being a productive lead back and the expectations are just super low for me. 13 minutes ago, FireChans said: Cody Ford shouldn’t be the whipping boy in 2021. He shouldn’t make the team. There’s 0 to very minimal chance the bills cut Ford. He was just the 38th pick in 2019 and with the cap going down, he’s relatively cheap and has yet to hit his ceiling. Not arguing he hasn’t been disappointing, but I just can’t see a scenario where he doesn’t make the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 As of late Singletary is getting crapped on a lot, 😁 it may just be me but I find the whipping boy threads kinda funny, it’s the hot take “logic” that gets me chuckling. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Not arguing he hasn’t been disappointing, but I just can’t see a scenario where he doesn’t make the team. I was reading Chan as meaning he shouldn't make the starting lineup rather than he should be cut but maybe I read it wrong. Agree there is no way he is cut. He is a cheap, versatile backup if nothing else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 47 minutes ago, Devilmann said: Knox for me. I’ve seen him drop to many with those stone hands but Singletary is a close second. This is true, but Knox gets open. That’s the most frustrating thing about it. He gets open and then drops the ball. If his hands were better he’d be great (IMO). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Weatherman said: None...it’s clearly and deservingly the most unathletic DE in the history of modern professional football...your very own $10M per year and frequently healthy scratched Trent Murphy. I thought he played well against the Ravens and hoped he was going to play against KC. But yeah, he's definitely in consideration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 It’s @Royale with Cheese and his damn ranch crusade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 The clueless ones who continue whipping players who are gone and will not be back are true whipping boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I think it should be Cody Ford but most seem to have written him in as a starter. If by "most" you mean Brandon Beane, that would be correct. I'm not sold on Ford, myself, but hoping he can overcome his injury history and show something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If by "most" you mean Brandon Beane, that would be correct. I'm not sold on Ford, myself, but hoping he can overcome his injury history and show something. My sense is a lot of fans too but maybe I am wrong on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: My sense is a lot of fans too but maybe I am wrong on that. I think he's a fan favorite as an "enforcer" type who will "protect the QB", like Feliciano. I understand Brandon Beane's point that he's "played more games injured than he has healthy" but after 2 years, I think that begs the question "is this a situation that will change?" Because he's looked bad at times. Maybe it's the injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Leslie Frazier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Edmunds was just bad last year. Only the staff knows how much was the shoulder but so far it has been a month since the season ended and no hint of an upcoming surgery. That doesn't mean the injury wasn't significant but it might hint that he healed up during the season. Of course Edmunds is not getting cut and he will almost certainly start at MLB again next year. The coaching staff played him at OLB maybe 5-8 plays a game when Kleine started to produce. I of course am on record that Edmunds should be moved to OLB. I think he would be an All-Pro there. But my guess is this regime is committed to him at MLB. My dark horse player that is not on your list and I believe will be the surprise cut of the off-season is Morse. He is a below average center being paid premium money. If he came back and was the worst of the starting 5 of Dawkins, Ford, Morse, Feliciano, and Williams I would be ok with that especially if he restructured his deal. Most frustrating - Knox for sure. He has more athletic talent than the Bills may have ever had at TE. No other Bills TE has been able to get deep and really challenge a defense. He just has not been consistent enough. He still has time to develop. John Brown is a popular choice to get cut, but the offense was much better when he was playing and healthy. I don't think Davis has the speed to be a consistent #2, but he has the route running and hands to be a solid #2. Perfect scenarios Brown takes a pay cut and stays with the team with an incentive laden deal. More likely he is let go and they roll with an offense that is more balanced next year with a few more throws to the TE and a few less pass attempts per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Cody Edsel Ford... Had the misfortune to be picked at 38 after a trade up... Needs to improve and be injury free in 2021... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I know many fans will defend Motor and say it's the OL's fault but I don't buy it. There were holes for him to attack. There were passes for him to catch. And there were blitzes for him to pu. Sorry, he's to slow and frankly has stone hands. Edmunds gets honorable mention. If better instincts don't kick in soon he'll be joining Milano. I'm not going to even mention Knox because the Bills have never taken the TE position seriously in the last 30 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Knox has never gotten out of the dog house. At least Edmunds has the benefit of playing better as the year went on and he got healthy. Actually Knox did pretty well towards the end and caught a few TD's, but nobody here will ever admit that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Edmunds, Singletary and far more weirdly, Oliver. If Murphy were still on the team he'd leap to the head of the line. He might actually be worth a vet min area contract, actually. 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would have to say Mitch Morse. I think he's an outstanding pass-protecting center (the most important thing for our offense) and good in the run game if used correctly eg to pull, not as a power bruiser. Yet everyone seems to want him to be cut (at the expense of a big dead cap hit and not very large savings) and replaced by a popular guard who is a competent center, but neither as good in pass protection as Mitch, and was not as good in the run or pass game as some seem to believe. I'd put him at #4, yeah. But they seem to have switched away from his wheelhouse. They didn't pull as much last year, they seem to want to be a power team, and I'm not sure Morse fits that sort of a strategy. Good player, though, and a good guy. 3 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: Leslie Frazier Hah. Thoughtful pick. Hadn't even considered that. Not bad at all. Edited February 23, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would have to say Mitch Morse. I think he's an outstanding pass-protecting center (the most important thing for our offense) and good in the run game if used correctly eg to pull, not as a power bruiser. Yet everyone seems to want him to be cut (at the expense of a big dead cap hit and not very large savings) and replaced by a popular guard who is a competent center, but neither as good in pass protection as Mitch, and was not as good in the run or pass game as some seem to believe. Agreed which is why I placed other. It actually depends on the week who gets hammered the most whether it’s Singletary, Knox, or Murphy. For awhile it’s Klein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I know many fans will defend Motor and say it's the OL's fault but I don't buy it. There were holes for him to attack. There were passes for him to catch. And there were blitzes for him to pu. Sorry, he's to slow and frankly has stone hands. Edmunds gets honorable mention. If better instincts don't kick in soon he'll be joining Milano. I'm not going to even mention Knox because the Bills have never taken the TE position seriously in the last 30 years. Singletary's blitz pickup has been terrific, even better this year. And there really haven't been that many holes for him or Moss to attack. A few, here and there, but this has been mostly the line's problem. “I’m not looking at Devin Singletary or Zack Moss and thinking those guys came up short for us." - Brandon Beane That's why I put Singletary at #3. And think the likelihood of picking an RB in the first is minimal. Edited February 23, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think he's a fan favorite as an "enforcer" type who will "protect the QB", like Feliciano. I understand Brandon Beane's point that he's "played more games injured than he has healthy" but after 2 years, I think that begs the question "is this a situation that will change?" Because he's looked bad at times. Maybe it's the injuries. Maybe it's also because they have switched him around a lot, even side to side, which is really difficult, especially for young guys. If given one spot and kept there to work on the minutiae of that position, I'm hopeful we'll see why the Bills like him so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Edmunds. You're right. 'Captain Checkdown' still gets his share of static. * Oh, EdMUNDS. Sorry. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would have to say Mitch Morse. I think he's an outstanding pass-protecting center (the most important thing for our offense) and good in the run game if used correctly eg to pull, not as a power bruiser. Yet everyone seems to want him to be cut (at the expense of a big dead cap hit and not very large savings) and replaced by a popular guard who is a competent center, but neither as good in pass protection as Mitch, and was not as good in the run or pass game as some seem to believe. Morse is a good player and does not deserve to be a "whipping boy." He also has serious health issues and as you point out, a large contract. If I was the GM, I would plan on and prepare for his departure. The position is that important. Jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I thought this was going to be a thread about bad posters on the board I voted "Other" and I am sticking with "Dunkirk Don" even though he hasn't been heard from in 2 years 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I find it funny the poll has a pro bowler as the leader. I don't love Edmunds but I do like him. He is a solid player that makes some mistakes. If him and Josh Allen spent an offseason training he would be the best in the league. He has the tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 9 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said: It’s @Royale with Cheese and his damn ranch crusade. I will die on this hill even I'm the only one standing. I am dumbfounded how you guys don't like ranch more. I dip my fries in ranch over ketchup. If I'm eating a plain chip, I'll dip it in ranch. When I dip my wing in there, I give it a swirl so more ranch gets on the wing....like I'm making a cotton candy stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I will die on this hill even I'm the only one standing. I am dumbfounded how you guys don't like ranch more. I dip my fries in ranch over ketchup. If I'm eating a plain chip, I'll dip it in ranch. When I dip my wing in there, I give it a swirl so more ranch gets on the wing....like I'm making a cotton candy stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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